Rumor Is Indiana Jones Planning an Adventure to Disney's Animal Kingdom?

[Pixieish]

What you are missing is that crowding is greater by design. Greater capacity is not added to decrease crowding because there has not been a desire to decrease crowding.

In looking at how to reduce the costs of new parks following the opening of Euro Disneyland, Disney identified 7-8 experiences (more than rides and shows as parades and meet and greets can count) per day as the limit for when guests became satisfied with their day. This changes the calculation of how much capacity needs to be added, lowering what you need to add to meet your target. In the case of something like Pandora, the numbers would have been decreased further by the increase in operating hours. Focusing on total experiences per day instead of attractions per hour is not normal and has negatively impacted the guest experience. Building to Peak Day would not fix the greater underlying problem of focusing on total experiences per day.

Focusing on total experiences per day is ridiculous because for a family of 4 with small children, that number is going to be different than a group of 4 teenagers. Poor analysis and planning to say the least. What is the reasoning behind greater crowding being a good thing? NO ONE who visits theme parks likes being crammed in like sardines.

 

[cjkeating]

For what it’s worth, Indy has broken effects all the time too. And some that have been permanently shut off

I have personally found Indy to be very unreliable both from the amount of down time it has to effects not working in the attraction, the boulder effect is 50:50 at best.

 

[cjkeating]

Not to derail the thread, but I truly hope I’m not the only one that wants Dinosaur to stay simply because I find Dinosaur a much better ride than Indy...

I'm with you 100%.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

A couple weeks ago when I went to dL I rope dropped Indy and right when I was almost up the stairs the attraction broke. 3 times. It cost like 20 minutes of precious morning time! Crazy

 

[marni1971]

This was taken during construction and I'd be curious to see what they use the red square land for now. Maintenance? Cast member access? It could serve a back of the house function and that would be a reason why they did not extend the River Journey south.

For the blue square, I don't see much use for a large expansion there. You still need that road for backstage access to Rainforest Cafe and that would exclude that bus loop and road from being used.

Red is backstage servicing, parking, break areas, power systems and the like. Bottom portion of blue is for phase two.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Focusing on total experiences per day is ridiculous because for a family of 4 with small children, that number is going to be different than a group of 4 teenagers. Poor analysis and planning to say the least. What is the reasoning behind greater crowding being a good thing? NO ONE who visits theme parks likes being crammed in like sardines.

The 7-8 number is across demographics, be it your family of four with small children or four teenagers. Crowding is good because it decreases your hourly capacity needs thus reducing your build out and operating costs. And since Disney has implemented a ride reservation system, those longer spans of time between money is supposed to be spent buying stuff. People don't like crowding in the moment, but Disney found that at the end of the day it would be forgiven if they got their 7-8 experiences. So many attractions are suddenly being built because 20 years of schemes to avoid having to actually build attractions are finally buckling and the costs is just way too high to keep up, much less get near an industry standard attractions per hour.

 

[THE Monorail Lime]

@marni1971 how close is dinosaurs layout to Indy?

 

[marni1971]

@marni1971 how close is dinosaurs layout to Indy?

99.9% identical.

 

[RSoxNo1]

99.9% identical.

But aren't there elevation differences and significant wall placement differences as well? Sure they could recycle the track but wouldn't they essentially have to gut the building, redo the walls and reinstall the track?

 

[britain]

But aren't there elevation differences and significant wall placement differences as well? Sure they could recycle the track but wouldn't they essentially have to gut the building, redo the walls and reinstall the track?

TRACK layout is identical. Building layout, not so much.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But aren't there elevation differences and significant wall placement differences as well? Sure they could recycle the track but wouldn't they essentially have to gut the building, redo the walls and reinstall the track?

The interior walls are probably not much more than steel stud partition walls. Those are easy to remove. If anything in the show space is rated, then it would make things more complicated but not anything that cannot be worked with.

 

[marni1971]

But aren't there elevation differences and significant wall placement differences as well? Sure they could recycle the track but wouldn't they essentially have to gut the building, redo the walls and reinstall the track?

The interior structure is pure show. Nothing load bearing of note.

 

[Pixieish]

The 7-8 number is across demographics, be it your family of four with small children or four teenagers. Crowding is good because it decreases your hourly capacity needs thus reducing your build out and operating costs. And since Disney has implemented a ride reservation system, those longer spans of time between money is supposed to be spent buying stuff. People don't like crowding in the moment, but Disney found that at the end of the day it would be forgiven if they got their 7-8 experiences. So many attractions are suddenly being built because 20 years of schemes to avoid having to actually build attractions are finally buckling and the costs is just way too high to keep up, much less get near an industry standard attractions per hour.

Crowding may be good from a business standpoint, but guests still don't like it. And when your child disappears from view even though he's three feet away from you, crowding has gotten past the point of ridiculous.

 

[Movielover]

TRACK layout is identical. Building layout, not so much.

Track layout is NOT identical. Dinosaur lacks the portion of track that goes through the mummy room on Indy.

Also the descent from the 2nd floor is slightly different.

 

[Cesar R M]

Track layout is NOT identical. Dinosaur lacks the portion of track that goes through the mummy room on Indy.

Also the descent from the 2nd floor is slightly different.

So its not a bis per bis copy?.. so different from, lets say.. spiderman to transformers.. right?

 

[lazyboy97o]

So its not a bis per bis copy?.. so different from, lets say.. spiderman to transformers.. right?

Transformers: The Ride 3D does not have anything close to the same layout as The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It does use the same animation/scenes though.

It has similar plot points and progression, but they are not identical. The animation is not reused either.

 

[marni1971]

It does use the same animation/scenes though.

It does not.

 

[PorterRedkey]

@marni1971 how close is dinosaurs layout to Indy?

99.9% identical.

Track layout is NOT identical. Dinosaur lacks the portion of track that goes through the mummy room on Indy.

Also the descent from the 2nd floor is slightly different.

I'll break this out from @marni1971 excellent video:

 

[Movielover]

I'll break this out from @marni1971 excellent video:
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You are correct that Marni's video is fantastic except you're not seeing the upper level floor plan in that image, which is where the the extra curve is.

Note letter "H" above, this is the mummy room in which the car does almost a 180 turn before proceding into the bug room which is labled "I"

On Dinosaur this curve is replaced by a straight section where you first encounter the Carno.

Also as previously stated the descent from the 2nd floor to first was slightly tweaked for Dino as well, becoming a more straight section to account for the Pterodactyl scene.

Therefore, as stated above, the track layouts are NOT identical.