The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

Songbird76

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I forgot to put the outside picture of Symbolica...it looks really neat from the outside.
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I wanted to go up in the pargoda (the thing in the air in the last pic) but DS didn't want to do it, and we couldn't leave him behind while we did it, so we figured we'll go back someday and do it.
After symbolica, we must have gotten something to eat? I know we were trying to figure out where we could ALL eat and we had had fries for lunch, so we wanted something a bit healthier for dinner. They have a pancake restaurant, which we refuse to do because they serve nothing BUT Dutch pancakes and those things cost like 8 Euros for ONE pancake, which is not enough for dinner. It's so incredibly expensive for what you get. Hubby found a place that he said looked like a once through buffet, where you grab a plate, get what you want and pay. They also had a section with a regular menu. We went to look at the "buffet" area and it all looked like it had been sitting there for ages and was not at all appetizing, and the only things they had were fried rice, spare ribs and chicken nuggets...we had seen steak on the main menu, so we chose to go the TS part. Big mistake. I don't really know what normal protocol is there, but there are several doors, none of which are attended and no signs that say "please wait to be seated" or anything, but with so many doors, how can they tell who has been helped and who hasn't? How do you know when someone else comes and sits down? So we sat at a table for 4 and waited and waited and waited...we saw several servers and no one ever came over, so we flagged someone down and tried to order...she went and got someone else to take our order. We both ordered the steak with pepper sauce, I ordered my sauce on the side. DS wanted a Frikandel, which they didn't have, so we went somewhere else for him later, and DD said she wasn't hungry, so we told her to let us know when she wanted something. She never did, and I asked her several times if she was hungry yet...nope. So this guy gets our order (just drinks for the kids) and we sit there for a while and then after about 10 -15 minutes, a waitress shows up and asks if we want to order dinner...um..we already did that. She looked really confused, but said she'd go check on it and she no more left than the food came out. For 17.50 ($20.60) we expected a pretty decent meal. We each got a steak about 3 inches in diameter, both with just a small bit of sauce on them (not on the side) and about half the amount of fries you would normally get. They hadn't let the steak rest, so as soon as you cut in, the entire plate was soaked and the sauce that used to be on top was just gone and it was one disgusting mess. Every bite was tough and had to be chewed so much that it was dry and had no flavor anymore. It was really an extremely disappointing meal. We paid and left, got something for DS and we checked wait times again...still at 50 minutes for Symbolic. But droomvlucht was only 25 minutes and DD and I really wanted to do that again, and DS wanted to do something else, so we split up and decided to meet back at the Ravelijn show which was right next to Droomvlucht for the next show, which started at 8. We were lucky and the queue was only 20 minutes, so we did that one and had 10 minutes before the show started, so we were able to walk in and sit down and didn't have to wait long. That show was AMAZING! It's these young people who get called by the raven queen...she sends her ravens to get them to save the kingdom from the evil king Olaf who has imprisoned them. There are a few things I missed...we were seated in the wrong section to see the best things. But it was still so great.
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About this time, we realized we had really bad seats...that's what happens when you don't come in until the last 10 minutes before the show. So we wanted to see it from the good seats. The show is 20 minutes long and goes every hour and a half. So we looked one more time at the line for Symbolica...back up to 70 minutes. All the other stuff we wanted to do was across the park and we'd never get there, get through, and get back in time to get good seats. DH wanted to do Villa Volta I think it's called...it's like a crazy effect house...like...they use cameras and special effects to make the room feel like it's spinning, or whatever. It sounded really neat, but there was a warning that it was not for anyone with motion sickness, so I couldn't go on it and the kids thought it sounded scary. So we headed for the bathroom and DH headed for Villa Volta. When he was done, we decided to go wait in line for Ravelijn. DD saw a sign that said you needed a ticket, DH waved it away and said no, that was only for wheelchair access. So we're right at the front of the line and as people start trickling in, I notice they ALL have tickets. When we watched the first time, there was no one in the line anymore and the CM's completely ignored us when we walked in, we had to figure out for ourselves where to go because they weren't directing at all, just standing there chatting. So we didn't know we were supposed to have tickets. I asked DH again if he was sure, because I saw everyone had them...he looked and went off to find out where to get tickets. The line started filling up and I look back and he is standing back behind the line shrugging. So I thought he didn't know where to go. So I tell the kids it looked like we weren't going to be able to see it and the guy standing next to us kindly told us there was a kiosk across the square, but you don't really NEED tickets to get in, it's just to ensure that you HAVE a seat. There are no numbered seats or anything...so there should be room after all the ticketed people were in. BUT, we'd be in the carp section again. So we got out of line and DH tells us it's completely booked. :( DH is not as...scrupulous, shall we say, as I am. So he just got in the line with all the ticketed people and walked right through. The people all around us, held up their tickets and were let in and I thought for sure they were going to ask to see ours, but we walked right through and headed for the doors to the good section. DD kept saying she felt wrong, she didn't want to do this, it wasn't fair. I was afraid of getting stopped at the door...or being seated and then there being people with tickets and no room left and them coming to check everyone's tickets. But by the time the show started, there were still seats in our section and there was one section that was almost empty, so we hadn't stolen anyone's spots and we got much better seating. Not how I'd have chosen to do it, but it DID work out.
 

Songbird76

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MUCH better...I still missed the upside-down repelling ninja guys, because there was a beam right in front of the guy on our side, so I was glad we had seen them in the earlier show because I had a better view then.
But the rest was much better.
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It was getting progressively darker. I didn't get a video in the second show, but it was really spectacular with the huge dragon-like many headed bird thing breathing fire and the knights using magic to shoot water at it, etc...if I can figure out videos, I'll post one. It was very cool.
 

Figgy1

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There are a bunch of tutorials. They all seem to use glue, but one of them did cover the inside with velvet ribbon, and I bet that would counter the stiffness of glue. We'll see. I don't know where to get the foam stuff though. When I put in foam board on etsy, nothing like that came up. We'll see.
You may have better luck on Amazon or an office supply or craft store for foam board. If you can't find poyfil use cotton balls but make sure to tear them apart before stuffing.
 

Songbird76

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I forgot to post the picture of the train station earlier...it was really pretty with the flowers and such.
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Since it was a Friday, they had extra hours and they had musicians and DJs placed throughout the park. I loved the medieval type guys and there were lanterns in the trees and it was just a really cool atmosphere.
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Then we headed toward the front of the park where the water show was. The first picture is when we first entered the park.
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The show is like...kind of like that big fountain show at Epcot in front of Club Cool, but in a setting more like Illuminations on the lake. But it also involves some effects like in Fantasmic, with fire on the water, etc.
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Songbird76

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What I really loved about the Aquanura show was that they used music from different attractions in the park and set the show to that...like, they mimicked the dancing fairies in the Waterlily story, they mimicked the Ravelijn show with the flames, they used the music for the IASW-type ride that we didn't go on. So it's all stuff that was used, and it's driving me nuts with the last song because I thought it was the one used in The Sorcerer's Apprentice in Fantasia, but it's not. So I SWEAR Disney used it for something, but I can't figure out where. It's Saint-Saëns Danse Macabre, but I don't know in what setting I know it.
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You can see the whole show here.
 
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Cesar R M

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We went to the Efteling on Friday (the closest thing the Netherlands has to a Disney Park) and we had so much fun. There are a couple things that are not cool, like...apparently, you can't leave and come back on the same ticket in one day. So if you go into the park, and you realize you forgot something in your car, you can't go back and get it and come back in. At $40 per day per ticket, that's pretty bogus. Opening hours are pretty limited for the price, too..10 to 6. BUT, through the Summer, they have a party every Friday and Saturday night and the park stays open until 11, and they have a water show that is very cool. So we left at 8 am to get to DH's office to print the tickets along the way and we got there 5 minutes before opening. By the time we got parked and walked to the entrance, it was just opening and we were some of the first people in the park, besides the people staying on property who got in 30 minutes prior. So we headed straight for the back because we figured most people would probably just go for what they saw first, and all the roller coasters DH wanted to go on were at the back of the park. He got on those with no wait and was quite happy...we just waited because none of us wanted to go on with him.
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We went from there to the other side of the back where the train station is and we decided to do the train, thinking it would be a great way to see what there is in the park and figure out where we wanted to go. Unlike Disney's railroad, they have made it so that you can't see anything but the parking lot and the picnic area, so it was not a fruitful trip, but it WAS cool being on the steam train...we were sitting near the front so we could see them shoveling in the coal, etc. After that, there was a ride where you sit in a little boat and go around and around, kind of like a carousel, but not. But DS really wanted to go on it, so we did.
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There's a new ride called Symbolica that we wanted to try, but the wait time was 70 minutes and we didn't want to wait that long, so we decided to go to the Sprookjes Bos (fairytale forest) and to the OTHER dark ride, Droomvlucht (dream flight) and see if the wait time went down. Sprookjes Bos is really cute and it's got all your famous fairy tales...Pinnochio, Rumpelstiltsken, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, etc. And there are some I've never heard of, so they might be Dutch.

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Little Red Riding Hood
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This is one I don't know...Lange Jan
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I remember that Symbolica was posted a few times here in the forum by some park goers.

Hows the food in the park by the way?

Also, you said "on site". Does this means they have a hotel too?
 

Songbird76

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Here's the Ravelijn show. There's very little dialogue. The guy comes out into the audience saying his kids are missing. They followed some ravens into a forest and he hasn't seen them since. He asks if anyone knows where they are....kids tell him they are behind the curtain, he leaves, the curtain drops, and you see the "kids" looking for their brother Joost. They ask the Raven Queen if she's seen him. she says to enter the portal, they go in, and come out on horses and reunite with Joost and the Queen tells them that Olaf has imprisoned the kingdom and her ravens have led them here to free the people. They battle.
 

donaldtoo

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Did you ever see A Bridge Too Far? It's a WWII movie about Operation Market Garden. They were trying to trap the Germans by removing bridges I think? They went to the wrong bridge and there was a massive battle on the John Frost bridge (It was called something different then, but today everyone calls it the John Frost bridge) in Arnhem. I lived in Arnhem the first 3 years I was over here, so I've seen all the sites and have been to the museum, etc.

Yes, indeed. I saw the movie in the theater when it came out in '77. Some serious Hollywood heavy hitters in that cast.
I also read the book by Cornelius Ryan, before that.
And , unfortunately, yes, that whole operation was SNAFU from, pretty much, minute one. Bad/faulty/ignored Inteligence, overextension of forces, lack of radio communications, etc., etc., etc.
No operations like that ever go completely smooth, of course, but, thankfully we didn't have many more that out of whack (although the Battle of the Bulge was certainly a toss up for a while), before the allies finally closed in and finished WWII on the European front.
 

Songbird76

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I remember that Symbolica was posted a few times here in the forum by some park goers.

Hows the food in the park by the way?

Also, you said "on site". Does this means they have a hotel too?
They do have a hotel, and they have a couple of more cabin-like resorts that are a bit more of a walk, but it's like the values at Disney. They are the no frills resorts, but still offer the perks of early entry.
The food...what we had for lunch was fine. I can't really describe Dutch snacks...they don't do stuff like hotdogs or burgers here. They have Frikandel, which is a meat log...I don't care for it. It's spiced pork I think?
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Kaassoufle is like a breaded dumpling with a cheese sauce in it.
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And kipcorn is a chicken thing in cornflakes.
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They also have Kroket, which is a breaded snack, but there are multiple things they fill it with...pork, beef, chicken...it just depends. But it's basically a meat paste. (google it) I can't stand the texture. I had a kaassouffle and a kipcorn for lunch and it was pretty standard and the prices were about the same as you'd pay anywhere in the Netherlands, so that was decent. I haven't eaten at any of the restaurants besides the one where we had dinner, so I can't speak to those, but they have a lot of different ones. Like I said, the pancake house, and they have an Italian one, they have one that's kind of like Liberty Tree Tavern...a set menu that you just pay for everyone in your group and they bring it to your table...I think it was rotisserie chicken. They had a seafood place, and then there was a Chinese one, but I think that was a counter service type, more like the kiosks around Epcot, not really a restaurant. And of course places to get ice cream, cotton candy, etc, and there was an egg roll stand. I hope the other restaurants are better than the one where we ate (Panorama), because that one was not good.
 

donaldtoo

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Is that an eight car garage?!!?!

It is, indeed.
We've actually done larger ones that were underground with lifts and stuff. We have had several clients with car collections.
I don't post eveything we do, of course, as I'm sure most don't care or are bored by it, but, I just can't believe I get paid to do what I do sometimes. Other times I'm under so much stress and/or bored out of my mind with it.
Ultimately, first world job problems :rolleyes:, so I don't complain much. :oops: ;)
 

Songbird76

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Yes, indeed. I saw the movie in the theater when it came out in '77. Some serious Hollywood heavy hitters in that cast.
I also read the book by Cornelius Ryan, before that.
And , unfortunately, yes, that whole operation was SNAFU from, pretty much, minute one. Bad/faulty/ignored Inteligence, overextension of forces, lack of radio communications, etc., etc., etc.
No operations like that ever go completely smooth, of course, but, thankfully we didn't have many more that out of whack (although the Battle of the Bulge was certainly a toss up for a while), before the allies finally closed in and finished WWII on the European front.
Yeah, there's a museum just outside Arnhem where you can walk the battle fields where the allies marched, and they show a video about Operation Market Garden, and there are old uniforms, patches, military vehicles, and scenes set up so you can learn about the battles in that area. I think it would be right up your alley if you ever decide to come to the Netherlands for a vacation. I've been there and found it fascinating. There's also a memorial by the John Frost bridge...Airborneplein, and if you walk from there to the left side of the city center (centrum) there's a canon on a platform (Airborne Monument) and sometimes they have veterans who are there and will answer questions. My dad chatted with one for quite a while when he came and visited.

I wonder if there's any sort of museum for the Battle of the Bulge...if there is, I'd like to see it. My uncle fought in it and we THINK that's where he was wounded. We know he was shot, and that he came home with PTSD, but he wouldn't ever talk about the war, so we don't really know the details. But after he died, his sister-in-law (my other uncle's wife) told us he had been in the Battle of the Bulge. He was 13 years older than my mom, and her other brother was 10 years her senior...it's possible he told his brother more than he told my mom, so they probably knew more than we did. But I'd sure like to see some of that history.
 

Mr Ferret 75

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It is, indeed.
We've actually done larger ones that were underground with lifts and stuff. We have had several clients with car collections.
I don't post eveything we do, of course, as I'm sure most don't care or are bored by it, but, I just can't believe I get paid to do what I do sometimes. Other times I'm under so much stress and/or bored out of my mind with it.
Ultimately, first world job problems :rolleyes:, so I don't complain much. :oops: ;)
Always find your building posts interesting. Dad is a QS and mum worked as a bookeeper fora local building firm for many years so grew up around it.
 

donaldtoo

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Yeah, there's a museum just outside Arnhem where you can walk the battle fields where the allies marched, and they show a video about Operation Market Garden, and there are old uniforms, patches, military vehicles, and scenes set up so you can learn about the battles in that area. I think it would be right up your alley if you ever decide to come to the Netherlands for a vacation. I've been there and found it fascinating. There's also a memorial by the John Frost bridge...Airborneplein, and if you walk from there to the left side of the city center (centrum) there's a canon on a platform (Airborne Monument) and sometimes they have veterans who are there and will answer questions. My dad chatted with one for quite a while when he came and visited.

I wonder if there's any sort of museum for the Battle of the Bulge...if there is, I'd like to see it. My uncle fought in it and we THINK that's where he was wounded. We know he was shot, and that he came home with PTSD, but he wouldn't ever talk about the war, so we don't really know the details. But after he died, his sister-in-law (my other uncle's wife) told us he had been in the Battle of the Bulge. He was 13 years older than my mom, and her other brother was 10 years her senior...it's possible he told his brother more than he told my mom, so they probably knew more than we did. But I'd sure like to see some of that history.

Yes, I would like to visit many of those places someday. I don't know why I feel such a connection to them, because I have not one single immediate relative that fought in either WWI, WWII, or even in the Korean War.
Maybe it's just an innate feeling I have for those that died so I can complain about anything on a whim. Good Lord, all those men and women gave up so much for us.

And, to make it clear, I do realize the Battle of the Bulge was a German counteroffensive that we were caught off guard by, not an operation we started.
We (the allies) were caught off guard, and boy-howdy did we suffer. But, we pulled through and persevered. I've, obviously, read more than one book about that battle.
 

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