MaximumEd
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So, you don't like WDW?
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WDW To Enforce FP+ Rules
- Thread starter LAKid53
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So, you don't like WDW?
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
I despise the way it's being run, the creation of artificial scarcity through FP+ and the chronic understaffing. Continuing to give WDW money validates the way it's being run
L.C. Clench
Well-Known Member
Choose an answer:
A) You can still decide what park you want to go each morning. FP+ doesn't force you to pick ahead of time and there are plenty of FP available each day.
B) FP+ is just a benefit to planners. If you want to just be carefree you can always use stand by lines.
C) You don't have to jump through any hoops you don't want to. It's your vacation just make your own magic.
Given all the things guests do that CMs and WDW don't correct, a lawsuit over Disney actually enforcing some rules for a change might actually HELP their PR situation.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The mob doesn't care who is in the right... only about what emotion someone can stroke
Posting obsessively on a WDW forum also validates the way it is run. It shows you can't part with it despite all your protestations you hate it. Most normal people don't spend all day posting about a corporation they've given up on.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
Disney has already locked accounts. If your break the rules you have to deal with the consequences. Boom, life.Some people are having fantasies of assumed violators being shamed and themselves gaining endless FPs for their own jaunts in which of course they are entitled to everything under the sun, but they need to keep dreaming. If Disney starts locking MDE accounts they are playing with fire. Someone can't use their tickets that they paid for, they get a lawyer, boom, lawsuit
I'm not so sure there have been credible accounts of that happening yet.
Kman101
Well-Known Member
People keep saying this but who's going to run to social media so they can be laughed at for not following the rules? I have no doubts they've locked accounts.
halltd
Well-Known Member
Mine never "expire". Last time my family was here, they booked me for three FPs near the end of the day (starting at like 5:30pm). I left work late, missed the 5:30pm FP, but used the following two. We then all tried to book a fourth and I couldn't because it said I hadn't used my three. I had to manually delete it (even though it was like 3 hours old) before I could book anything new.
Wow - there's a TON of misinformation in this topic already.
1. Accounts aren't being locked en masse as some would like you to believe. Guests that have "frozen" accounts are due to conflicting ticket media, which is surprisingly nothing new.
2. Validation of ticket media being used for entry has not been added to the kiosks in the park (unless something happened within the past 48 hours that I was not made aware of).
3. For those complaining about people who don't cancel Fastpasses and let them go to waste if they don't use them - guess what, it doesn't make a difference, so save your breath complaining about it on here! Why? The system in which Fastpasses are distributed is set up so that fastpasses are not "redeposited" once a guest cancels them! Instead, a master planning system allocates a specific amount of fastpasses per attraction each day based on many different inputs (forecasted park attendance, operating hours, estimated standby line times, average no-show/cancellation rate, etc) in advanced. Manual massaging of the data to the master table (which contains the inputs) is sometimes done by the analysts if they feel there's some variations that aren't being picked up by their forecasting (i.e. a special event, a major attraction at the same park being shut down for an unplanned refurbishment, etc). Fastpasses are only added back to an attraction during the actual day the fastpasses are meant to be used (i.e. today, 6/14, the system will start to reallocate more Fastpass inventory for all attractions for today only). This is done throughout the day and is done based on an equation that is analyzing the actual day of fastpass usage and cancel rate, park attendance, standby wait times, etc. It's for this reason, that you should NEVER listen to any of the CM's working the kiosks who will loudly proclaim that they are out of fastpasses for any attraction (even at Pandora). This is simply not true and should not prevent any one from trying to see if inventory of fastpasses exist for any specific attraction.
The ONLY people that park management are specifically targeting in Fastpass abuse are tour guides who have a record of multiple consecutive day visits and an above average amount of tickets linked to their MDE account. That's it. They are NOT targetting Lil' Jonny who is using Grandma Ethels fastpass for Everest because she doesn't want to ride it. The blogs and other fan sites have been over-exaggerating the extent of WDW's crackdown and sensationalized it to a point that all the eccentric personalities on the "other" board are losing it for no reason.
1. Accounts aren't being locked en masse as some would like you to believe. Guests that have "frozen" accounts are due to conflicting ticket media, which is surprisingly nothing new.
2. Validation of ticket media being used for entry has not been added to the kiosks in the park (unless something happened within the past 48 hours that I was not made aware of).
3. For those complaining about people who don't cancel Fastpasses and let them go to waste if they don't use them - guess what, it doesn't make a difference, so save your breath complaining about it on here! Why? The system in which Fastpasses are distributed is set up so that fastpasses are not "redeposited" once a guest cancels them! Instead, a master planning system allocates a specific amount of fastpasses per attraction each day based on many different inputs (forecasted park attendance, operating hours, estimated standby line times, average no-show/cancellation rate, etc) in advanced. Manual massaging of the data to the master table (which contains the inputs) is sometimes done by the analysts if they feel there's some variations that aren't being picked up by their forecasting (i.e. a special event, a major attraction at the same park being shut down for an unplanned refurbishment, etc). Fastpasses are only added back to an attraction during the actual day the fastpasses are meant to be used (i.e. today, 6/14, the system will start to reallocate more Fastpass inventory for all attractions for today only). This is done throughout the day and is done based on an equation that is analyzing the actual day of fastpass usage and cancel rate, park attendance, standby wait times, etc. It's for this reason, that you should NEVER listen to any of the CM's working the kiosks who will loudly proclaim that they are out of fastpasses for any attraction (even at Pandora). This is simply not true and should not prevent any one from trying to see if inventory of fastpasses exist for any specific attraction.
The ONLY people that park management are specifically targeting in Fastpass abuse are tour guides who have a record of multiple consecutive day visits and an above average amount of tickets linked to their MDE account. That's it. They are NOT targetting Lil' Jonny who is using Grandma Ethels fastpass for Everest because she doesn't want to ride it. The blogs and other fan sites have been over-exaggerating the extent of WDW's crackdown and sensationalized it to a point that all the eccentric personalities on the "other" board are losing it for no reason.
Not quite. Disney rules or even ticket terms do NOT supersede the law. While a ticket is revocable, Disney is still legally required to refund guests in full for any and all unused ticket media that they are revoking. This includes the value of any unused portion of an annual pass, multi day pass, or the purchase price of a one day ticket if they are asked to leave the park on the same day. They are allowed to reimburse the guest for this in either cash or a credit voucher. The only exceptions to this are if the revocation is due to a violation of laws which leads to an official complaint and/or arrest. In that instance, the guest loses all legal rights for a refund unless it is found that the guest is innocent of the charges or that the complaint that is brought against them has no merit.
So in a nutshell - yes., Disney can cancel anybody's ticket. But they can't do it without compensating the guest properly.....and it's for this reason that they are not doing this to Fastpass violators, despite what some are alluding to on here.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
If you want to do any of the E-tickets you end up standing in line for a couple of hours also not fun.
So unless one enjoys standing in the noonday sun (Noel Coward comes to mind re 'mad dogs and englishmen')
Effectively you are forced to use FP and jump through its hoops as well as the ADR system if you want to hit TS meals.
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
There is no law that states that Disney has to refund your money. If they trespass you for rules violations, they don't refund you. If there's inclement weather, they don't refund you. If you have a bad time, it's very unlikely that they'll refund you. There have been people confirming you're wrong at least about #2 in your other comment as well.
So just like it use to be before fastpass.
Looks like you had what you wanted all along.
awilliams4
Well-Known Member
Little to zero evidence of this.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
You can choose not to believe the first sentence. But the second sentence is still valid. As is Disney's ability to do it they desire.
As long as you say so.
Kman101
Well-Known Member
As long as you say so.
Why they eye roll? It's common sense. Just because you don't have account after account of it doesn't make it untrue. There's been an account of someone getting locked out. Others on here have said so as well. Not sure what would make you believe it. Go try it and see if they lock your account.
The eye roll wasn't necessary.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
I second @Kman101, if you are so sure this isn't happening then go ahead and test it and report back.As long as you say so.