Mystery Project at Epcot

[HauntedMansionFLA]

What good are plans if they aren't funded?

Disney has to have some sort of master plan for EPCOT. There are buildings and pallivions already built so that would reduce the cost of new facilities. Hopefully EPCOT gets that billion dollar make over.

 

[Progress.City]

Disney has to have some sort of master plan for EPCOT. There are buildings and pallivions already built so that would reduce the cost of new facilities. Hopefully EPCOT gets that billion dollar make over.

If the buildings are already there, it would require far less than a billion to fix. $200 million spread over Future World would do wonders!

 

[danlb_2000]

What good are plans if they aren't funded?

They look good in coffee table books.

 

[Progress.City]

They look good in coffee table books.

My blood pressure just went up...

 

[marni1971]

If the buildings are already there, it would require far less than a billion to fix. $200 million spread over Future World would do wonders!

Double that and you'd be getting closer.

 

[PhotoDave219]

If the buildings are already there, it would require far less than a billion to fix. $200 million spread over Future World would do wonders!

More like $500M-$1B.

 

[PhotoDave219]

DCA's version is expected to re-open with a digital version of Soarin' Over California. Forgive me, but I fail to recall who first mentioned that the new Soarin' film has to debut in Shanghai first. I think we've just accepted it, but I don't remember the original source of that info. @Lee or @WDW1974 was that either of you?

Am I the only one who things that Soarin is fine the way it is and doesnt need a new film?

(Beyond needing digital projectors)

 

[RSoxNo1]

Am I the only one who things that Soarin is fine the way it is and doesnt need a new film?

(Beyond needing digital projectors)

I enjoy Soarin', but would certainly welcome an upgrade.

 

[Bing Bong]

I personally think Soarin is boring, and should be torn down to make way for a show called the Kitchen Kabaret.

 

[Matt_Black]

I personally think Soarin is boring, and should be torn down to make way for a show called the Kitchen Kabaret.

You misspelled "Food Rocks".

 

[Bing Bong]

You misspelled "Food Rocks".

Nah I'd rather not have a show that stars plywood figures.

 

[gmajew]

Agree completely. It seems so odd to me that Disney would expect another for-profit company pay to build or maintain a piece of property for Disney, that Disney would use to make $. It would be no different than if Wal-Mart offered sponsorships to it's different departments. The fact that Disney uses lack of sponsorships as an excuse not to build more rides is weak.

They also make ou pay for shelf space.

Trust me it ain't free to get in their stores.

 

[marni1971]

Nah I'd rather not have a show that stars plywood figures.

Touché

 

[ford91exploder]

They also make ou pay for shelf space.

Trust me it ain't free to get in their stores.

A lot of smart companies simply walk away from Walmart, Vlasic went bankrupt because of their deal with Walmart.

http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

 

[FigmentJedi]

I personally think Soarin is boring, and should be torn down to make way for a show called the Kitchen Kabaret.

You misspelled "Food Rocks".

Nah I'd rather not have a show that stars plywood figures.

Eh, they're both pretty dated and meh. I'd even say Kabaret was dated the day it opened, Bonnie was some Uncanny Valley horror, and I don't even know what the heck they were trying to do with the dairy products. And Food Rocks of course was a classic case of "Disney trying too hard to be hip and failing" in addition to the lacklust production values. They both have their moments, but I kinda feel like that focus on food should be something the pavilion should move on from. Expand on the environmental stuff, maybe bring in a variant of Stormrider from Tokyo and add weather as a subtheme.

 

[marni1971]

weather as a subtheme.

Funny they have a whole empty pavilion sat waiting for a new theme....

Came quite close a few years back too.

 

[michmousefan]

Am I the only one who things that Soarin is fine the way it is and doesnt need a new film?

(Beyond needing digital projectors)

I wouldn't say you're the *only* one, but -- as much as I love the current film, I think a new set of destinations (USA or worldwide, either with "digitally-rotatable" destinations or a set path) would be a nice change - provided they keep the Goldsmith soundtrack and subtly adapt it to whatever location is on screen - just as they do in the current film.

I'd also dig the finale happening in the actual park that you're watching the film in (not sure how they will do that in Shanghai at the rate they seem to be going!).

 

[sshindel]

Eh, they're both pretty dated and meh. I'd even say Kabaret was dated the day it opened, Bonnie was some Uncanny Valley horror, and I don't even know what the heck they were trying to do with the dairy products. And Food Rocks of course was a classic case of "Disney trying too hard to be hip and failing" in addition to the lacklust production values. They both have their moments, but I kinda feel like that focus on food should be something the pavilion should move on from. Expand on the environmental stuff, maybe bring in a variant of Stormrider from Tokyo and add weather as a subtheme.

The Dairy Group was an homage to things like the Beautiful Girls section of Singing in the Rain (starting around 1 miniute in)


which was in itself an homage to things like this scene from The Great Zigfield:


Saying Kitchen Kabaret was dated is kind of like saying that The Hoop-Dee-Doo Review is dated because it is doing a show based on a past style of theater/entertainment. It was an homage to cabaret, so in that way it was dated, because cabaret was most popular during the 20s-50s. The mix of different songs/acts was straight up cabaret, and IMO was relatively timeless. What killed it was sponsor and changing food guidelines (but mostly sponsor). The style was timeless though IMO.

Today they'd have to update it every year to catch the latest dietary trend. Evil Mr. Gluten is taking over the theater. The poisonous Dr. Peanut and his sidekick Lactose would have an act. Paleo the Caveman would swing in, etc. Then 2 years from now those would all be irrelevant and it would be on to whatever the newest Food Babe-led anti-science mumbo jumbo was ruling the day.

And don't worry about what the bad poster said Bonnie, my love, you'll always be a hottie to me!

 

[Brer Panther]

"Food Rocks" at least had a cooler host.

 

[Donald Razorduck]

I challenge you to find an older article. Thats 12 years old.

I live in NWA, home of Walmart so I know all the stories. Real and contrived. I know buyers and suppliers. I grew up in a family with a supermarket that competed with Walmart. Don't blame Walmart, blame Americans that shop Walmart. Thry turned their backs on home town retailers that offered value added shopping like bag boys that loadd your groceries into the car for you or a butcher that cut you a rib eye the thickness you wanted. Peoe decided they needed to go to Walmart and save some pennies. They would forsake their local merchants and drive 30 miles on a Saturday to save five bucks. Soon their plants closed and then the businesses followed, staving local teens of part time jobs that taught work ethic. They got reconditioned to loading their own groceries in the cart to eventually paying to check themselves out. But, don't blame Walmart, blame yourselves. That article is so old it doesn't touch issues like big box sporting goods stores that's cut deep into Walmart's once powerful sporting goods depts. What Walmart once did to the Western Autos and Otascos of Small town America, the Academy's and Dick's are doing to them. Business is dog eat dog, always has and alway will be. I remember when Levis moved into Walmart, it forgot to mention it entered Target as well With the discount line. Eventually Target wanted differentiate and had the Signature line rebranded Denizen.

By the way, the high cost of oil was leading folks to reshore some of their products along with increasing wages in Asia and port issues with union hanky panky as the main culprit.