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Economic Downturn Hits Disney

PLTram

New Member
Original Poster
Could this be why we haven't seen the 'October surprise' announcement that so many were promising over the Summer?:


Reuters
Economic downturn hits Disney, shares slide
Thursday November 6, 7:44 pm ET


By Gina Keating
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The global economic downturn hit Walt Disney Co's quarterly results harder and faster than Wall Street expected, with the company on Thursday reporting a sharp decline in hotel bookings and softness in advertising revenue at its networks.


Disney's shares slid 9 percent in extended trade but recovered a bit after executives announced plans to discount stays at Walt Disney World to stimulate bookings in the first half of 2009.

"Consumer confidence is the lowest we've seen in over three decades, and even the best product out there is feeling the effect," Disney Chief Executive Robert Iger told analysts on a conference call.

Disney's dour view came hours after U.S. retail chains posted their worst October sales results in more than 30 years as consumers cut spending sharply in the face of a financial crisis that has derailed the U.S. economy.

On the call, Iger said senior executives were looking at ways to cut costs companywide. "Significant savings will be delivered," he said.

The news came as the No. 2 U.S. entertainment company reported a 13 percent decline in quarterly net income due in part to a bad debt charge. Revenue, however, topped Wall Street analysts' estimates.

"We kind of expected a rapid deceleration, but this is even worse than even we or investors were expecting ... in its severity and in how fast this is affecting them," Pali Capital analyst Rich Greenfield said of the theme parks results.

Disney reported net earnings of $760 million, or 40 cents per share, down from net earnings of $877 million, or 44 cents per share in last year's fourth quarter.

Excluding items, Disney posted earnings of 43 per share. On that basis, analysts had been expecting earnings of 49 cents a share, according to Reuters Estimates.

Revenue rose 6 percent to $9.45 billion from $8.93 billion a year earlier. Analysts, on average, expected revenue of $9.33 billion for the quarter, according to Reuters Estimates.

A TOUGHER MARKETPLACE

Disney said the advertising climate had softened the performance of its cable and broadcast networks in the fourth quarter, and that its U.S. theme parks and resorts suffered under higher labor and fuel costs.

Executives said attendance at Disney's U.S. theme parks is down 1 percent so far in the current quarter and that bookings for the first two quarters of fiscal 2009 are down "a little under 10 percent" from last year.

"We are seeing a marketplace that is clearly tougher than it was in fiscal year 2008 and our ability to predict is very limited," Iger said.

He added, however, that consumers may be taking "a wait and see approach" to booking vacations next year. Typically, Disney said, consumers plan vacations 10 to 12 weeks in advance.

Caris & Co analyst David Miller saw a positive note in the fact that bookings in the current quarter were down just 1 percent versus last year's record attendance.

"People thought attendance would be down much harder," Miller said. "I think the stock price is reflecting Armageddon at the parks. Of course the parks are going to slow, but is that deserving of $20 a share?"

Shares of Disney fell 4.7 percent to $21.73 after closing down 5.9 percent at $22.81 on Thursday.

The company has seen its share price fall nearly 25 percent since its fiscal fourth quarter ended September 27, as the Dow Jones Industrial average declined about 20 percent.

Disney's theme parks showed a 7 percent increase in revenue during the most recent quarter, helped by higher guest spending. But operating profit at the unit fell 4 percent due to higher labor costs at Walt Disney World and increased fuel costs at the Disney Cruise Line.

Media networks showed 4 percent revenue growth but flat operating profit in the quarter due to lower advertising revenue at its broadcast unit and on higher costs for TV pilots and coverage of the U.S. presidential election.

Pricing for spot advertising was running low double-digit percentages ahead of last year's first quarter, Chief Financial Officer Tom Staggs said. Ad sales for the first quarter were down at ESPN, as auto and electronics companies spend less on advertising, but up "nicely" at ABC Family, he said.

SEES RETAIL SPENDING DOWN

Consumer products, the bright spot in Disney's earnings report, saw its revenue rise 41 percent and profits jump 14 percent, driven by licensing revenue from popular brands such as "Hannah Montana" and "High School Musical."

Iger said the company believes it will see a decline in consumer spending at retailers that may hit "possibly during the holiday season but almost certainly during calendar 2009."

Studio entertainment revenue and operating profit fell due to weaker movie titles and higher marketing expenses for fourth-quarter releases including "Beverly Hills Chihuahua."

Several titles performed well in the current quarter including "Beverly Hills Chihuahua" and "High School Musical 3" and DVD releases for "Tinker Bell" and "Sleeping Beauty".

(Reporting by Gina Keating; Editing by Carol Bishopric, Bernard Orr)
 

Enigma

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I remember a few months ago certain crazed individuals on this site called me nuts for even suggesting there were economic troubles and that disney would be unaffected.

The fact is disney has been wasting money building Timeshares and virtually no substantial amount invested in making the parks more exciting for guests. Where are fresh bold e-tickets? where are the major revamping of areas? Where is the tokyo-level of experince (or even the anahiem-level?). Disney is going to pay for there complacency BIG TIME especially after Universal opens Wizarding World of Harry Potter area in florida and the new Transformers e-ticket on the west coast.
 

pjammer

Active Member
I don't know why the mods keep moving these threads out since it is Theme Park news...no one else visits the other boards.

Anyways, good thing is that we have seen this before after 9/11. The company slows down so they don't lose to much money then when the economy comes back they will boom with new attractions while the competition is hurting. It took USF and Sea World almost 6 years to recover. And with the increased sales in DVC, it guarantees a target audience that will come down no matter what since they have already invested that money.
 
I remember a few months ago certain crazed individuals on this site called me nuts for even suggesting there were economic troubles and that disney would be unaffected.

The fact is disney has been wasting money building Timeshares and virtually no substantial amount invested in making the parks more exciting for guests. Where are fresh bold e-tickets? where are the major revamping of areas? Where is the tokyo-level of experince (or even the anahiem-level?). Disney is going to pay for there complacency BIG TIME especially after Universal opens Wizarding World of Harry Potter area in florida and the new Transformers e-ticket on the west coast.

Disney doesn't make all their money from the parks.
 

DVCOwner

A Long Time DVC Member
The comment that is Disney wasting money on Time Shares could be no further from fact. The Time Shares are purchased and Disney makes money on the sales. The cost of running them is paid by the owners. What Disney gets is people that "own" a part of the world and vacation there in good times as well as the bad. I know for one that I will be going to Disney for my next two vacations because it is my "Home away from home." While there I will be spending money on tickets, food, and in all those stores that Disney has opened. I think the wasted money on Time Shares will help get Disney Parks past these hard times.
 

DisneyMusician2

Well-Known Member
The comment that is Disney wasting money on Time Shares could be no further from fact. The Time Shares are purchased and Disney makes money on the sales. The cost of running them is paid by the owners. What Disney gets is people that "own" a part of the world and vacation there in good times as well as the bad. I know for one that I will be going to Disney for my next two vacations because it is my "Home away from home." While there I will be spending money on tickets, food, and in all those stores that Disney has opened. I think the wasted money on Time Shares will help get Disney Parks past these hard times.

I think Disney has severely over-extended their DVC program, and will be unable to sell their properties in the new construction areas. Disney making money on the sales is predicated upon them making sales. With hotel bookings and consumer confidence down, you can't expect people to invest over $15,000 a pop in many cases toward vacation club memberships. Unused DVC is even worse than unused hotel space, based on the cost Disney has paid to build all the new complexes in recent years.
 

disneydiva72

New Member
I remember a few months ago certain crazed individuals on this site called me nuts for even suggesting there were economic troubles and that disney would be unaffected.

The fact is disney has been wasting money building Timeshares and virtually no substantial amount invested in making the parks more exciting for guests. Where are fresh bold e-tickets? where are the major revamping of areas? Where is the tokyo-level of experince (or even the anahiem-level?). Disney is going to pay for there complacency BIG TIME especially after Universal opens Wizarding World of Harry Potter area in florida and the new Transformers e-ticket on the west coast.

:sohappy: Bravo.
 

captainkidd

Well-Known Member
Although I have no interest or plans on ever buying into DVC, I would hardly call them a waste. Every time they open a new one, they sell out. Hard to call that a bad investment.

I do say, as much as the Magic Kingdom is still my favorite park, Disney needs to start showing it some attention. Rehabs are done on the attractions, but really, it needs some new life.
 

captainkidd

Well-Known Member
Disney is going to pay for there complacency BIG TIME especially after Universal opens Wizarding World of Harry Potter area in florida and the new Transformers e-ticket on the west coast.

Do we even know what's going to be included in Harry Potterville? On a personal level, it doesn't matter one way or the other to me, as nothing about HP interests me. My point being, you have to do more than slap a name on something to make it successfull.

People have been predicting the demise of Disney to Universal or other parks for years, and it never happens.
 

ClemsonTigger

Naturally Grumpy
The comment that is Disney wasting money on Time Shares could be no further from fact. The Time Shares are purchased and Disney makes money on the sales. The cost of running them is paid by the owners. What Disney gets is people that "own" a part of the world and vacation there in good times as well as the bad. I know for one that I will be going to Disney for my next two vacations because it is my "Home away from home." While there I will be spending money on tickets, food, and in all those stores that Disney has opened. I think the wasted money on Time Shares will help get Disney Parks past these hard times.

I think Disney has severely over-extended their DVC program, and will be unable to sell their properties in the new construction areas. Disney making money on the sales is predicated upon them making sales. With hotel bookings and consumer confidence down, you can't expect people to invest over $15,000 a pop in many cases toward vacation club memberships. Unused DVC is even worse than unused hotel space, based on the cost Disney has paid to build all the new complexes in recent years.

As a non DVC owner, yes the monies spent on them give me no benefit, but don't confuse that with "wasting money". DVC remains highly profitable, and they continue to build because they continue to sell. AK sales are doing well and Contemporary are in high demand. Do a search on these boards and review the discussions on how it is increasingly difficult to book DVC time.

If it was not still a hot commodity, do you think they would maintain a DVC kiosk on every other corner? I don't know where you get your information on unused DVC space. The little available space in off peak times is rapidly snapped up by non-DVC vacationers. By the same reasoning, you would think that deluxes are suffering with bookings....again not the case to date.

Again, don't confuse what is good for Disney vs. what is good for your personal entertainment.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
MousDad said:
Yep. Disney is not wasting money on DVC -

until people stop buying them.

This is the key right here.

I understand that hating DVC is the new fad here, but it is an ingenious way to bring in money to the company and resort while ensuring guest will return.

Do we have any evidence aside from bandwagon rants that DVC construction is syphoning money from other projects?

As I said in another thread, the DVCs that are being built right now have been in the process for several years. The planned projects that have been put on hold are just that, planned. It seems like it would be easier to put on hold a project that has not started than to stop construction halfway through.
 

ClemsonTigger

Naturally Grumpy
Do we even know what's going to be included in Harry Potterville? On a personal level, it doesn't matter one way or the other to me, as nothing about HP interests me. My point being, you have to do more than slap a name on something to make it successfull.

People have been predicting the demise of Disney to Universal or other parks for years, and it never happens.[/QUOTE]

Correct!...and if you want to look at a vulnerable site for downward economy, Universal is at much higher risk. Make no mistake, Universal is forever in Disney's shadow, and at best works to keep up.

"Potterville" is a much higher percentage capital investment that Disney projects, and if Transformers is not delayed, that would add significantly as well. As there is negative impact on the economy felt at Disney, based on 9-11 reactions, the impact is even greater at Universal, Seaworld etc.
 

pheneix

Well-Known Member
"Potterville" is a much higher percentage capital investment that Disney projects, and if Transformers is not delayed, that would add significantly as well. As there is negative impact on the economy felt at Disney, based on 9-11 reactions, the impact is even greater at Universal, Seaworld etc.

That's not true. Immediately after 9/11 every park in Florida was hit hard, that cannot be disputed. But going into 2002, Universal Orlando and Sea World both weather the storm successfully, actually GROWING their business even though Disney posted quarter after quarter of declining revenues.

Universal Orlando and Sea World are MUCH better positioned to make it through this economic crisis than Disney is. Their pricing plans are much more aggressive than Disney and thanks to that they are far better supported by the local Orlando market than the Disney parks. This is also a time when being smaller is most certainly better, as neither company has tens of thousands of employees to pay, thousands of empty hotel rooms to maintain, hundreds of millions of dollars of unsold DVC units under construction, or a massive gas guzzling transportation system to operate.

Some posters have touched on DVC units being a mistake for Disney at this time, and they are correct in saying that. The units under construction at the Comtemporary and AKL are not selling at all. This is nothing new either. DVC sales have been falling like a rock since the home equity ATM dried up for millions of families last year, long before the overall credit crisis. It's a mess for them and if these units go unsold for the next three to four years (and they will), it WILL have a direct impact on capital expenditures on WDW projects. The balance sheet at Disney is already stretched thanks to bailing out Hong Kong Disneyland to the tune of $400 million just so they can keep the lights on. Who is going to bail out the mothership?
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
On the DVC isnt this the first time Dsney has had two major developments under way before the previous SS sold out?

Yes. Let's not forget the other two resorts they have underway, in California and Hawaii. I wouldn't be surprised if fears that these four resorts won't all sell out quickly are looming large on some executive's minds. Even though they are located elsewhere, they are still in competition with the ones at WDW.
 

KeithVH

Well-Known Member
"and our ability to predict is very limited"

Am I the only one who wonders that Iger could have said this with a straight face? I really find it hard to believe that they don't have a whole team of forecasters and marketing/BI people who have been doing just that (predicting park traffic) since after the first year they opened. Along with their own customized algorithms for trend analysis? If not, they're the only multi-national corporation that doesn't do such a thing.
 

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