Indiana Jones Adventure (Wrath and Frustration)

Lomma

New Member
Original Poster
The Forbidden Mountain thunders with my wrath and frustration.

Why is one of the greatest Disney rides EVER not in Walt Disney World? I am talking about The Indiana Jones Adventure: Temple of the Forbidden Eye.

You! You, who is telling me to do a search because I will find the answer. Yeah, you... No, I know what I will find. Bla, bla, bla Dinosaur. Bla bla bla the same ride track / ride system. I don't buy it. I SIMPLY do not buy it. Small World does not preclude Pirates. People Mover does not preclude Haunted Mansion. That Dinosaur ride is UNRECOGNIZABLE as the Indy ride. There MUST be another reason why we don't get that ride.

And you... Yeah you.... The one telling me that you don't like clones. You don't like when we get a McVersion? Really? 'Cause I like Pirates and Mansion and all those rides in Fantasyland. CLONES RULE.

I will not go quietly into that Indiana Jones Stunt Show. I WANT THE INDIANA JONES ADVENTURE IN WDW AND I WANT IT NOW. I AM AS MAD AS A THUGGEE HANGING OFF OF A SLICED SUSPENSION BRIDGE AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE.

I WANT THE REAL EXPLANATION AND I WANT TO BE REASSURED IT IS COMING.
 

k.hunter30

New Member
I just have to say I loved reading your post!:lol:

Sadly, I have no answers for you--only words of empathy as I, too, love the Indy ride. :o
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
I agree, that was a great post.:lol:

But yeah, I agree, the IJA is one of the best rides ever made, and I really would wish it would come to WDW. If they built it at DHS, it would instantly become more popular that Universal.
 

Lomma

New Member
Original Poster
I think there must be something we don't know. Maybe a Lucas/Disney feud. But that wouldn't make sense either because of the Indy presence at all of the parks and the seeming Lucas involvement in the stuff going on in Adventureland in Disneyland. It makes me so sad. That ride is like nothing I have ever experienced. It is the definition of the immersive environment. So successful in every way: artistically, thrills, use of underlying material... I thought maybe with the new movie we'd have heard something or something teetering on the cusp of being greenlit would get the go-ahead. Oh well.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
You want the reason?

Money.

The EMV attraction costs a fortune to build and maintain - makes Test Track seem like a playground. If a sponsor stepped up to foot the construction and maintainence bill I dare say it`d happen (the TDL version mind, not the problematic DLC version) but until then enjoy the stunt show. It`ll be here for a while yet.
 

jedimaster1227

Active Member
The Forbidden Mountain thunders with my wrath and frustration.

Why is one of the greatest Disney rides EVER not in Walt Disney World? I am talking about The Indiana Jones Adventure: Temple of the Forbidden Eye.

You! You, who is telling me to do a search because I will find the answer. Yeah, you... No, I know what I will find. Bla, bla, bla Dinosaur. Bla bla bla the same ride track / ride system. I don't buy it. I SIMPLY do not buy it. Small World does not preclude Pirates. People Mover does not preclude Haunted Mansion. That Dinosaur ride is UNRECOGNIZABLE as the Indy ride. There MUST be another reason why we don't get that ride.

And you... Yeah you.... The one telling me that you don't like clones. You don't like when we get a McVersion? Really? 'Cause I like Pirates and Mansion and all those rides in Fantasyland. CLONES RULE.

I will not go quietly into that Indiana Jones Stunt Show. I WANT THE INDIANA JONES ADVENTURE IN WDW AND I WANT IT NOW. I AM AS MAD AS A THUGGEE HANGING OFF OF A SLICED SUSPENSION BRIDGE AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE.

I WANT THE REAL EXPLANATION AND I WANT TO BE REASSURED IT IS COMING.

Tone aside, you've answered your own questions--something that demands likely won't do any good for...

The issue with Dinosaur is legitimate. The ride is an exact copy of Indy in regards to layout and ride system. Buy it or not, the similarities are more than visible (especially when all guests currently have to look at in Dinosaur are dark bushes and constant breakdowns).

You are right in saying that Small World does not preclude Pirates, but that is because the two are notable signature attractions of Disney. They are both popular attractions on a level that Indy could never reach.

The Peoplemover doesn't preclude the Haunted Mansion because they utilize two very different ride systems. The Haunted Mansion uses the Omnimover (most commonly found in the original EPCOT Center attractions--most of which are now gone). The Peoplemover (most of us refer to it now as the TTA) utilizes computer controlled magnets along a track to seperate trains throughout the course of the ride. Unlike the former Disneyland version, our TTA relies completely on magnets for motion (whereas the West coast version used a wheel propelant). Haunted Mansion and the TTA just can't be compared as they are two very different rides using two very different systems.

While I've been lucky enough to ride Disneyland's and Tokyo Disneyland's versions of the Indiana Jones Adventure, and I am hopeful that someday we will get the ride, it just doesn't seem to be in the cards at the moment. You see, alot of the plans here in Orlando are treading on thin wire (except for those that have already been publicly announced and prep work and/or construction has already begun) due to our trembling economy--not only for our tourism market, but for the city in general. While I'm not saying that projects have been killed off or knocked off of their timeframes (because most of them haven't), Disney is weary of the circumstances here, and will be watching the market for the next few months (and the next year) as the economy hopefully stabilizes. The Indy Stunt Show at DHS is still in strong condition and Disney is content with leaving it as is until 2010. After that time, the decision to update it, replace it or retire it will be made--and no public announcement will be made any earlier.

Now, as for your demand that Disney bring the multi-million dollar attraction here, I doubt that one fan screaming at the top of his lungs on a single internet forum will do the trick--trust me when I say I've gone down that path, and its not a successful one. You can scream and yell until you are blue in the face but you yourself won't be the one to change Disney's mind in today's market, or any other. Remain hopeful and patient until 2010 because that is when the answer will come, whether or not it is the one you want to hear. Disney isn't a company to concede to the wishes of the few (rather working to appeal to the widest crowd possible in the best way they can) and they do so in the best interest of their audience and their business. It isn't smart business to spend millions for a few unless the benefits will be for the many. So again, calm down and be patient, as that is all you can do in this case.

If it makes you feel any better, the success of Indy 4 has given Disney some bright ideas regarding the franchises' involvement at the Disney parks. Mind you, I'm not saying anything about a potential ride or project, but I am saying that execs are happy with the results of the latest release and don't plan to let that hype die down.
 

Lomma

New Member
Original Poster
I can tell, Imagineer Boy, that you are committed to the cause. I know. Not because of your 4,777 posts but because of that picture you've selected to appear next to your name. Join me, Imagineer Boy.

We are simply not going to STAND this anymore. They have those blueprints SITTING on a SHELF. How absolutely stultifying to know that and be able to DO NOTHING.

What is it, 200 million? That's nothing. I can contribute $70.00 right now. There. That's $70.00 less that they need.

They did the Asian thing in DL and they have the Mayan thing in Japan. So, do an Egyptian pyramid. Very Hollywood. We have the dancing car show in DHS so let's bulldoze (you and me Imagineer Boy, you and me) the chairs out of that Jones stunt show and call over to the office or whatever where they greenlight this stuff and tell them we're ready. Attendance at that park would go through the roof.

And to you Jedimaster1227 (what are the other 1226 doing?) I say thank you. I did get a little HIGH on my HORSE there. Got a little Up In Arms. I will endeavor to calm my unquiet mind (see, your Jedi tricks DO work in cyberspace). Like, in that part where Eleanor is, like, where is she? Where is she? What? You've been looking for a BABY all these years? Ok, I'm mad at you and here's some lightning but, ok, foolish but let me calm down a second, regroup, get my pet raven and snuggle with it and rethink all of this. Good. Peace. Ok. Relaxation. Formulate a plan...
 
Actually, my friends and I (located in CA) have ridden Indy hundreds of times, and Dinosaur a few dozen. If you ride Dinosaur with your eyes closed or just thinking of the TotFE soundtrack, the rides are identical, though obviously with different themes and effects. It's especially funny that even the main show building's architecture is almost identical.

On TotFE, there's a portion where you go across the rope bridge, then make a right into a near u-turn, and then exit right again. Just before that initial right, there's an Exit sign if you look up. I could have sworn the sign was in that same location on Dinosaur. Really random and out of place, but not really noticable if you aren't looking for it.

But really, aside from the sounds and sights of each, it truly is the same ride.
 

jedimaster1227

Active Member
I think there must be something we don't know. Maybe a Lucas/Disney feud. But that wouldn't make sense either because of the Indy presence at all of the parks and the seeming Lucas involvement in the stuff going on in Adventureland in Disneyland. It makes me so sad. That ride is like nothing I have ever experienced. It is the definition of the immersive environment. So successful in every way: artistically, thrills, use of underlying material... I thought maybe with the new movie we'd have heard something or something teetering on the cusp of being greenlit would get the go-ahead. Oh well.

Disney and Lucas are on better terms than they have ever been. With the onslaught of upcoming Indy tie ins, the progress made regarding Star Tours 2, as well as the continued success of Star Wars Weekends, there is no stronger of a time for the two to be working together.

Yes, the attraction is fantastic, but it is also expensive. Like Martin said--if you or some other sponsor could front the bill, it would be more likely to appear at Walt Disney World, but since no one has the disposible income to throw into such an investment, you will have to wait until the current Indy Stunt Show is retired.

I can tell, Imagineer Boy, that you are committed to the cause. I know. Not because of your 4,777 posts but because of that picture you've selected to appear next to your name. Join me, Imagineer Boy.

We are simply not going to STAND this anymore. They have those blueprints SITTING on a SHELF. How absolutely stultifying to know that and be able to DO NOTHING.

What is it, 200 million? That's nothing. I can contribute $70.00 right now. There. That's $70.00 less that they need.

They did the Asian thing in DL and they have the Mayan thing in Japan. So, do an Egyptian pyramid. Very Hollywood. We have the dancing car show in DHS so let's bulldoze (you and me Imagineer Boy, you and me) the chairs out of that Jones stunt show and call over to the office or whatever where they greenlight this stuff and tell them we're ready. Attendance at that park would go through the roof.

Sorry to say but the $70 wouldn't buy a brick in that pyramid. When you say that you won't stand for it anymore, what do you possibly mean? Are you going to boycott Disney, or something else? Because frankly, the loss of one or two customers isn't going to change their minds. Not to sound negative, but I'm trying to inject a little bit of reality into this thread... :shrug:
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I have no idea how true it is so do not shot the messenger but the theory I have heard for the Indy ride at Disneyland not being duplicated at WDW is due to the number of neck injuries that have occurred on it.

Sounds like a load of crap to me but when we look at the facts...

*There have been a number of neck injuries and at least one death associated with the attraction.

*The ride would be an almost guaranteed success.

*It could help significantly help DHS at an economical cost for an E-ticket.

Due to the fact that we still do not have this attraction or have even heard a whisper of it being on it's way there might be some truth to it.
 
No, it's because the ride is ALREADY THERE. albeit with different theming.

Now if they were to have a new concept and not re-duplicate the attraction yet again, then we could talk.
 

Lomma

New Member
Original Poster
What do I mean when I say I won't stand for it? I mean that I'm going to go to that stunt show but INSTEAD of volunteering I am going to just sit there and look derisively at the guy playing Indy. If he looks at me too long I'm going to squint as if to say, "You know EXACTLY why I am upset."

No, really. I'm commiserating on a chat board with people of like mind. That's all I meant.

Hyperbole. Humor. :sohappy:

And I guess I could make it an even $100.00.
 

Testtrack321

Well-Known Member
I hate to say it but... not every ride has to be at Disney World. We have unique experiences, so why can't Disneyland? (and no, "but i want it!" doesn't count as an answer)
 

Lomma

New Member
Original Poster
Yeah, but I want it.

Look <sigh>, ok. I hadn't counted on anyone really thinking the rides feel the same (Dinosaur and Indy). If it really is that immediately discernable then I suppose that is something serious to contend with.

On Big Orange Mountain they flipped the blueprint to make it fit into a different place. Would that solve it? Flipping the blueprint? And, even then, the rope bridge effect is not on Dinosaur nor are the darts. So maybe it would feel different? Also that room with the three "doors"... There is a lot of sleight-of-hand that makes it feel different... Anybody?
 

westie

Well-Known Member
My understanding is that Indy and Dinosaur have the same track layout and are basically the same ride when lights are on. But, thats what I heard. I've ridden both and really can't say for sure.:shrug:
 

Testtrack321

Well-Known Member
My understanding is that Indy and Dinosaur have the same track layout and are basically the same ride when lights are on. But, thats what I heard. I've ridden both and really can't say for sure.:shrug:

It's similar to saying Star Tours and Body Wars are the same ride.

Only thing shared is the track layout, all effects, surroundings, and most importantly, the movement of the EMV are vastly different. Even the pacing is different for both rides...
 

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