Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Splash4eva]

You keep saying this but omitting you’re using multiple skips to do it.

Be fair

What are you talking about multiple skips?

Im talking about paying for LL. Paying ILL as well. Any service that will get me to skip the lines no matter how short or long and no matter how many i may end up with to me is worth it.

 

[Jrb1979]

Im confused what you are trying to say. Apologies. Do you think wait times go down that low if you stop selling LL service?

No standby won't go down. If they limit LL to single use and premier pass then the LL waits drop to 10-15 minutes. It makes those who buy LL get more value for what they pay.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What are you talking about multiple skips?

Im talking about paying for LL. Paying ILL as well. Any service that will get me to skip the lines no matter how short or long and no matter how many i may end up with to me is worth it.

And you’re using DAS…let’s not dig this Corpse up…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Im confused what you are trying to say. Apologies. Do you think wait times go down that low if you stop selling LL service?

For the headliner rides that would in a pure math sense

But I think it’s overstated and wouldn’t be that party of a difference

 

[HauntedPirate]

NO...you obviously didnt look in the fact/opinion encyclopedia......Its in there as fact

The statement "waiting is not enjoyable" is an opinion rather than a fact. It expresses a personal belief or judgment about the experience of waiting, which cannot be proven true or false based on objective evidence.

 

[Splash4eva]

And you’re using DAS…let’s not dig this Corpse up…

Im strictly talking Non DAS usage…. Again. On thing has nothing to do with the other. If im able to buy LL & ILL and get plenty of rides booked that way. Me riding via DAS also has zero impact on my success or satisfaction via buying something.

I literally just helped 2 separate family friends on recent trips basically doing the leg work for them during their trips and saw success. So not sure again how DAS is even an issue. I go with my daughter its an extra $75 a day plus ILL lets say on a Tron and Rise & FoP. So we are talking around $400 or so for 4 days as Epcot no ILL to get…. Even if you double that for a family of 4. To me thats money well spent. And again when you compare that to people staying Deluxe and really paying obscene amounts of money where you basically get ZERO from that where is th “outrage” there. You are hell bent on these skip the line options which EVERY park offers yet th same passion is not there for people spending close to 1k a night on a room. Make it make sense. Please.

 

[Splash4eva]

No standby won't go down. If they limit LL to single use and premier pass then the LL waits drop to 10-15 minutes. It makes those who buy LL get more value for what they pay.

Again. Maybe im lucky but LL lines are not long at all. Sans when a ride goes down and reopens the initial rush but lets face it. You rarely have any significant wait

 

[Chi84]

And you’re using DAS…let’s not dig this Corpse up…

And DAS users are explicitly encouraged on the Disney website to also use LLs. You were wrong in previously calling this cheating, although I don't remember you admitting it. So let's follow our own advice here.

Nothing @Splash4eva said is implicated in any way by DAS usage. Maybe keep on topic.

 

[Jrb1979]

Im strictly talking Non DAS usage…. Again. On thing has nothing to do with the other. If im able to buy LL & ILL and get plenty of rides booked that way. Me riding via DAS also has zero impact on my success or satisfaction via buying something.

I literally just helped 2 separate family friends on recent trips basically doing the leg work for them during their trips and saw success. So not sure again how DAS is even an issue. I go with my daughter its an extra $75 a day plus ILL lets say on a Tron and Rise & FoP. So we are talking around $400 or so for 4 days as Epcot no ILL to get…. Even if you double that for a family of 4. To me thats money well spent. And again when you compare that to people staying Deluxe and really paying obscene amounts of money where you basically get ZERO from that where is th “outrage” there. You are hell bent on these skip the line options which EVERY park offers yet th same passion is not there for people spending close to 1k a night on a room. Make it make sense. Please.

Difference is other parks limit it to one like premier pass.

 

[Splash4eva]

Difference is other parks limit it to one like premier pass.

Thats a fair counterpoint But the biggest complaint people have is that its too expensive and doesnt allow everyone to have a chance (which is the point) Disney finally gives people an affordable option and people complain

 

[UNCgolf]

I actually think there is a legitimate mathematical argument that no LL, FastPass, etc. would reduce lines/waits overall -- it just wouldn't reduce them at headliners.

A 75 minute wait with LL is different than a 75 minute wait without LL from a park ops standpoint, because the latter has significantly more people actually waiting in line (although the fact that people sometimes end up waiting 20+ minutes in the LL line counteracts this to an extent). Since more people would be in queues, the non-headliners would probably have shorter waits by the simple fact there are fewer people available to enter those queues. It would potentially reduce crowding in the shops, QS, etc. as well for the same reason (i.e. that more people would actually be waiting in queues).

But I think it comes down to personal opinion whether that trade-off is worth it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I actually think there is a legitimate mathematical argument that no LL, FastPass, etc. would reduce lines/waits overall -- it just wouldn't reduce them at headliners.

A 75 minute wait with LL is different than a 75 minute wait without LL from a park ops standpoint, because the latter has significantly more people actually waiting in line (although the fact that people sometimes end up waiting 20+ minutes in the LL line counteracts this to an extent). Since more people would be in queues, the non-headliners would probably have shorter waits by the simple fact there are fewer people available to enter those queues. It would potentially reduce crowding in the shops, QS, etc. as well for the same reason (i.e. that more people would actually be waiting in queues).

But I think it comes down to personal opinion whether that trade-off is worth it.

The main problem there is that by selling lines…they’ve actually pulled people away from the shops and food and made them prioritize ride waits and/or skips in a counterproductive manner that is antithetical to how the parks were designed

The net effect is a shell game that is the 180 degree opposite of what fastpass did in the first place

Ooops

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Im strictly talking Non DAS usage…. Again. On thing has nothing to do with the other. If im able to buy LL & ILL and get plenty of rides booked that way. Me riding via DAS also has zero impact on my success or satisfaction via buying something.

I literally just helped 2 separate family friends on recent trips basically doing the leg work for them during their trips and saw success. So not sure again how DAS is even an issue. I go with my daughter its an extra $75 a day plus ILL lets say on a Tron and Rise & FoP. So we are talking around $400 or so for 4 days as Epcot no ILL to get…. Even if you double that for a family of 4. To me thats money well spent. And again when you compare that to people staying Deluxe and really paying obscene amounts of money where you basically get ZERO from that where is th “outrage” there. You are hell bent on these skip the line options which EVERY park offers yet th same passion is not there for people spending close to 1k a night on a room. Make it make sense. Please.

When’s the last time you bought lightning lane without pairing it with DAS?

As far as the hotels go…they killed any incentives beyond transport 10 years ago. That’s not coming back in any tangible form.

You’re buying the location and your own opinion of “quality” when you pay for a Disney room…nothing more.

That also is heightened because park tickets have to be profit generators now instead of what they were designed to do: a gateway to other spending

 

[HauntedPirate]

The main problem there is that by selling lines…they’ve actually pulled people away from the shops and food and made them prioritize ride waits and/or skips in a counterproductive manner that is antithetical to how the parks were designed

The net effect is a shell game that is the 180 degree opposite of what fastpass did in the first place

Ooops

 

[gorillaball]

Anytime u want a shot at the title…lemme know?

Are you the secretary for the guy that holds it?

 

[Jrb1979]

Thats a fair counterpoint But the biggest complaint people have is that its too expensive and doesnt allow everyone to have a chance (which is the point) Disney finally gives people an affordable option and people complain

Remember if everyone is special nobody is special. Its not meant for everyone to have it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Are you the secretary for the guy that holds it?

…see?…now THAT’S good

 

[Ayla]

NO...you obviously didnt look in the fact/opinion encyclopedia......Its in there as fact

Though you're amusing in a clueless way, I'm done. My threshold for your type has been exceeded today.

 

[Splash4eva]

When’s the last time you bought lightning lane without pairing it with DAS?

As far as the hotels go…they killed any incentives beyond transport 10 years ago. That’s not coming back in any tangible form.

You’re buying the location and your own opinion of “quality” when you pay for a Disney room…nothing more.

That also is heightened because park tickets have to be profit generators now instead of what they were designed to do: a gateway to other spending

So wait. You are buying location to where? The MK ONLY and have to bus everywhere else or transfer on a broken down monorail to Epcot and paying thousands extra for that is “okay” BUT spending extra money on something that literally has a DIRECT positive impact on your trip is an absurd thought in your mind?

In regards to your obsession with me having DAS i have had it for all paid versions of the service. I did NOT have it for some of the earlier versions of FP paper specifically…. I truly dk what that has to do with anything. If i able to get FP/Genies/LL with the paid Service what does having DAS mean? Literally for example. When paid FP started i was able to do basically everything via the service. Genie being the best (knowing drops and refreshing albeit annoying worked almost 100% of times). I have people who i have helped been able to all use it and have it be effective. Some more than others and im on record stating this. Its NOT perfect and at times after the 3 it could be useless BUT again having 3 and paying for a 4th to me is still better and worth it if i choose to go. As i said. I cxld a trip last June. I chose not to go in January for what would haven been a legit trip for me for the most part…. I have spoke with my wallet and chosen to go elsewhere and explore other vacation destinations. I was there on MDW last year as a surprise for my Dads 75th. I chose to not go to parks when he went on his European cruise. So technically 3 times i chose to not give the mouse my money. So what does DAS have to do w this discussion. When i have countless examples of friends and family who have gone and used the system and liked it and felt it helpd.

 

[Splash4eva]

Remember if everyone is special nobody is special. Its not meant for everyone to have it.

Yes i know. Is a great statement and accurate to a degree bc even tho everyone has it. Everyone cant use it at once. Again. I dk how people can think skipping a decent amount of lines at the MK is a bad thing and being able to get some top rides in the other parks is a bad thing and eliminate a decent amount of wait times.