MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Jedi14]

2 Magic kingdoms on one feed.

A world of difference.

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[Chi84]

No. There is no chance of that, because the entire area was designed - narratively, aesthetically, spatially - around the RoA. You can’t just replace that organizing element, let alone replace it with an Autopia rip-off based on the direct-to-video offshoot of Pixar’s worst franchise, and expect the area not to suffer immensely. You can’t just draw a picture of Elvis in the middle of the Last Supper and not destroy the composition, even if it’s a really cool picture of Elvis.

Of course, some folks in this thread think typing “art is subjective” makes Timmy’s finger painting the artistic equivalent of the Mona Lisa, so…

True but no one goes to the Louvre to ride the Mona Lisa

 

[phillip9698]

No. There is no chance of that, because the entire area was designed - narratively, aesthetically, spatially - around the RoA.

I'd agree if we were talking about Disneyland. But the MK river was not well integrated into the surrounding lands at all. The majority of the very small area of accessible riverfront was taken up by stroller parking and a small boardwalk. It's almost as if their plan was to hide there was a river there at all. The best view you had of it was while in line for Haunted Mansion!

In MK the river was a feature you navigated around in order to reach attractions, it was not as well integrated as it is in Disneyland.

In MK the grounding element of the river is something people told you about, not that you actually felt.

Of course it's clear you just don't like Cars so there is that aspect of it as well.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'd agree if we were talking about Disneyland. But the MK river was not well integrated into the surrounding lands at all. The majority of the accessible riverfront was taken up by stroller parking and a small boardwalk.

In MK the river was something you navigated around in order to reach attractions, it was not as well integrated as it is in Disneyland.

In MK the grounding element of the river is something people told you about, not that you acruslly felt.

Of course it's clear you just don't like Cars so there is that aspect of it as well.

Two entire lands were spatially organized around the river…

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Of course you are.

Eh I'm thrilled replacing something I've only done or cared about a handful of times to something that will probably be a guaranteed ride on every time I go plus an amazing land. It's an absolute slam dunk, no debates for me. 14 acres for a playground and riverboat that was not well utilized in the most busy park in the world was crazy to me :shrugging:

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

No. There is no chance of that, because the entire area was designed - narratively, aesthetically, spatially - around the RoA. You can’t just replace that organizing element, let alone replace it with an Autopia rip-off based on the direct-to-video offshoot of Pixar’s worst franchise, and expect the area not to suffer immensely. You can’t just draw a picture of Elvis in the middle of the Last Supper and not destroy the composition, even if it’s a really cool picture of Elvis.

Of course, some folks in this thread think typing “art is subjective” makes Timmy’s finger painting the artistic equivalent of the Mona Lisa, so…

How exactly is the river required to be that big that it's purpose cannot be replaced with a smaller river? I'm just struggling with that. Unless I missed a crucial part of Big Thunder mountain that says "oh boy, it's sure a good thing this river is exactly x feet wide or else this mountain would be doomed!"

 

[lazyboy97o]

How exactly is the river required to be that big that it's purpose cannot be replaced with a smaller river?

Because actual places like those depicted in the lands are organized around big, navigable waters, not little water ways.

 

[marni1971]

Eh I'm thrilled replacing something I've only done or cared about a handful of times

I rest my case.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Because actual places like those depicted in the lands are organized around big, navigable waters, not little water ways.

like what exactly?

 

[Incomudro]

No. There is no chance of that, because the entire area was designed - narratively, aesthetically, spatially - around the RoA. You can’t just replace that organizing element, let alone replace it with an Autopia rip-off based on the direct-to-video offshoot of Pixar’s worst franchise, and expect the area not to suffer immensely. You can’t just draw a picture of Elvis in the middle of the Last Supper and not destroy the composition, even if it’s a really cool picture of Elvis.

Of course, some folks in this thread think typing “art is subjective” makes Timmy’s finger painting the artistic equivalent of the Mona Lisa, so…

The Last Supper is just an old painting by some dead white guy to some people.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I rest my case.

What am I supposed to do? Go on it until I like it? I tried it out a few time, it was alright but nothing special.

 

[Incomudro]

How exactly is the river required to be that big that it's purpose cannot be replaced with a smaller river? I'm just struggling with that. Unless I missed a crucial part of Big Thunder mountain that says "oh boy, it's sure a good thing this river is exactly x feet wide or else this mountain would be doomed!"

Your lack of ability to grasp this illustrates why the river and boat being replaced as they are works so well for you.

 

[DrStarlander]

I'd agree if we were talking about Disneyland. But the MK river was not well integrated into the surrounding lands at all.

In MK the river was something you navigated around in order to reach attractions, it was not as well integrated as it is in Disneyland.

Two entire lands were spatially organized around the river…

I actually think you are both right. The lands were organized around the river and there were some key "wins" in that like the siting of the Haunted Mansion or views across at BTM. Yet there was also unexploited potential:

--Liberty Square could have felt like a New England harbor with more waterfront establishments, docks, a Columbia-like sailing ship.

--Frontierland could have felt like a river-side town with industry-related structures (logging?) along the waterfront to make it feel like a working town.

I think that delta between the actual and the potential is why it's gone now. Had it exploited its potential more, it would have been less likely to be felt expendable.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Your lack of ability to grasp this illustrates why the river and boat being replaced as they are works so well for you.

I live in a city with a major river that used to be a major port that dried up after a while. ROA did not touch that kind of river in scale anyway. I wouldn't say it's a good idea to build a scale river even with the land because you can just make inferences and you can change the plot slightly to reflect a new narrative.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm thrilled replacing something I've only done or cared about a handful of times to something that will probably be a guaranteed ride on every time I go plus an amazing land.

-emphasis by me of course.

Disney parks need a variety of attractions that can be enjoyed and discovered by a variety of guests. Sometimes the more basic and less flashy attractions have more heart and soul and are enjoyed by repeat guests.

It was years of being a passholder before I discovered voices of liberty for example.

 

[nickys]

What is the implication here? That one is a completed area and beautiful and one is a massive construction zone and is not beautiful?

Is there not a chance that, when completed, these two new areas could be just as, or even exceed, the beauty of that area in Disneyland Paris?

Flower beds and manicured lawns isn’t what comes to mind for Piston Peak.

Surely you don’t think it could look remotely the same?

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

Flower beds and manicured lawns isn’t what comes to mind for Piston Peak.

Surely you don’t think it could look remotely the same?

Does it need to look the same? I feel like there's a chance there can be much more elaborate beauty in what they are trying to achieve with Piston Peak and it's "National Parks" type vibe.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Flower beds and manicured lawns isn’t what comes to mind for Piston Peak.

Surely you don’t think it could look remotely the same?

This.

TDO isn't going to out-beautify DLP. Not a chance in hell.

 

[Movielover]

True but no one goes to the Louvre to ride the Mona Lisa

*quietly cancels plane ticket

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

-emphasis by me of course.

Disney parks need a variety of attractions that can be enjoyed and discovered by a variety of guests. Sometimes the more basic and less flashy attractions have more heart and soul and are enjoyed by repeat guests.

It was years of being a passholder before I discovered voices of liberty for example.

Yes that why IM happy with replacing stuff.