Noticing the parks are better upkept

[Baloo124]

I didn’t even mean to include Electric Umbrella because it wasn’t a new restaurant, so there’s another typo that I didn’t even realize.

That's understandable.

Typing out the words "Electric Umbrella" without realizing it happens to the best of us when we're in a hurry and mis-mashing keys.

Apologies for doubting you earlier.

 

[JIMINYCR]

But I also know that people are smart enough to know people have typos all the time, and certainly after I clarified that should be enough, not bickering over semantics…

It just seems silly doesn’t it? Not productive?

Yes, posters have typos regularly and also auto correct sometimes alters what was written without one realizing it before the Post reply button has been selected. But once it's pointed out to you that an error exists on your initial post you should go back and correct it. That's what the Edit option is for. Someone new coming in that is reading your post has no idea that you made a mistake unless they read through multiple posts.

Disney restaurant food/menu quality as well as service changes very often and what was a good experience on one trip can be drastically different the next. The problem is that Disney has an issue remaining consistent when they are good. I'm glad you found that food quality and park upkeep changed for the better. Those two things are quite often mentioned as disappointments to posters trips when they return home and want to give their opinions.

 

[Pizza Moon]

Two questions, now that you’ve started replying to them.

1. What do you mean by “better put together”?

2. Are you mainly talking about table or counter service, or both?

Both. Overwhelmingly, new options at Disney and Universal have taken a consistent step up in their quick service and fine dining Orlando offerings. It’s most obvious at Universal.

From Toadstool Cafe to Minions Cafe to Goblet Noir or The Atlantic, but look at HWS: Docking Bay 7, Woody’s Lunchbox, and even Roundup BBQ, that’s one park. It is noticeable. The only one that hasn’t experienced this at scale is MK, but they did just do the Beak and Barrel and GEO82 to diversify with high quality offerings, so they are clearly going to keep doing spaces like these too. A Haunted Mansion restaurant/bar

That’s also come with downgrades like California Grill prefix and Be Our Guest, like I e said, numerous times on these forums, the Iger era is a serious mixed bag, you stay long enough you eventually become the villain, Eisner style.

Even the resorts. I mean, Toledo, Toppolino’s, Citricos, all well-done. They’ve also improved Ohana from its lows.

The food has gotten better over the years at the newer restaurants, even if they’ve gotten more expensive.

Other than Satuuli, Flamehouse and Docking Bay, the QS at WDW is same-y everywhere. With fluorescent Mac & cheese and cardboard pizza standing out - and not in a good way!

Connections Eatery, Harambe Market, Regal Eagle, Nomad Lounge, Baseline Taphouse, Woody’s Lunchbox, Gaston’s Tavern in addition to what you mentioned. They’re all better than Cosmic Ray’s, Electric Umbrella, etc. aesthetically and food wise.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say PizzaRizzo will be viewed in disgust when the Monsters one opens, as will Mama Melrose’s which is like Tony’s bad could literally get some sushi dishes, I mean it’s so popular today, wouldn’t that be nuts?

And do we really think Villains food or the Restaurantasourous (however you spell it), will not be anything but Docking Bay 7 good?

That’s not to say docking bay or connections are as good as their peaks, but they’re far better than many older alternatives still, that’s pretty much widely understood at this point.

They are step ups compared to the QS we got before, and on average.

We liked the choice of German sausages in the QS in Fantasyland (DLP). Didn’t really try anywhere else for counter service.

I’ve had them, they’re fine. I went to King Ludwig when it was open back in the day and that was also “fine.”

The biggest complaint I see about table service at DLP from Americans is how long it takes…. but that’s a culture shift for you guys.

I personally like long meals. I speak Spanish (part Colombian) and being in Spain felt like being with my people. From the late eating, to the ways every meal is a celebration. I love the larger family vibes too, while Spain is more European in this sense, Coco and Encanto nailed the large, close family vibes, so yeah, I don’t mind longer wait times for food, so none of my criticisms were directed towards this at all.

My only complaint is the slow water service across Europe, as I thoroughly hate how restaurants in America rush you particularly at chains, so this doesn’t apply to me.

I just legitimately think Paris has the worst food of any Disney resort ON AVERAGE. I’ve been to every one. Paris 5 times. For the people I’ve convinced to go to other resorts (people I know have finally made it out to Paris/Tokyo/Disneyland) they also agreed, tho apparently Tokyo’s quick-service has gone down in quality post-COVID, can’t speak on that, but in 2018 their quick-service was absolutely better than any other property.

Hong Kong and Shanghai were also significantly better, again, on average than Paris and honestly Orlando too for quick-service. Where on Earth can you get

I love DLP BTW, I don’t know why people get so defensive over the resort’s food, it sets people up for the wrong expectations.

It feels more like Universal Orlando circa 2010.

 

[Chi84]

Which are?

I also don’t know how that is relevant to the post I responded to. Wish people would just back me up when people are obviously being intransigent and nitpicky.

Why are so many people acting in bad faith, not saying you, but people on here

People aren't acting in bad faith. They're identifying the problems with content that is obviously AI-generated.

The more you refuse to see it, the more pointedly people will respond.

 

[Pizza Moon]

That's understandable.

Typing out the words "Electric Umbrella" without realizing it happens to the best of us when we're in a hurry and mis-mashing keys.

Apologies for doubting you earlier.

Appreciate it

The correct response would be to say "oops, it was a typo." Then go back and correct it. Not respond with a snarky remark.

It reads as if the name of the restaurant is Tiffins Brown Derby. If that is correct, no problem. If you are talking about two different restaurants a comma - but preferably and - is needed. It isn't obvious. Especially if you are posting a list with other names with commas separating them.

But also, we all here have brains and can tell that Tiffins Brown Derby really means Tiffins, Brown Derby in the context of a lot of restaurants spaced by commas, and the inherent nature of internet comments being rife with typos.

Usually best to give the benefit of the doubt instead of being pounced on.

 

[Pizza Moon]

People aren't acting in bad faith. They're identifying the problems with content that is obviously AI-generated.

The more you refuse to see it, the more pointedly people will respond.

Give me one example in this entire post that is “AI-generated?”

Give me a single one.

I’ve made photos on the forums with AI, but I didn’t even do that in this thread

Me thinks you’re confused.

 

[Chi84]

Give me one example in this entire post that is “AI-generated?”

Give me a single one.

I’ve made photos on the forums with AI, but I didn’t even do that in this thread

Me thinks you’re confused.

Inserting Electric Umbrella. I'm just trying to help since you are claiming to be bullied. If you refuse to take the hint, that's fine.

 

[Pizza Moon]

Which would you say is the worse eatery at DLP?

I haven’t been to every one, obviously

I think the problem is more the average is just slightly below Orlando, not that any specific restaurant is outright awful.

There’s more cosmic rays than Satuli canteens. Far more at Paris. Even if you compare park to park.

It’s not outright bad but Captain Jack’s has very mid food for the price. Hyperion is just standard park fare. Toad hall has decent fish and chips but again, it’s just decent.

It’s like, you go to a god-tier themed restaurant like Lucky Nugget Saloon, and while you enjoy the experience the food should be a tad bit better. That’s not the best example for your question, but is what I’m trying to get out.

It’s just the average quality, they get away with slightly less output for some reason.

Europa Park’s food at quick-service was a serious step up, so it’s not just a European park issue.

They could improve it, they just choose not to.

 

[Pizza Moon]

I'm just trying to help since you are claiming to be bullied. If you refuse to take the hint, that's fine.

You didn’t answer my question.

I am not going to change the way I am to appeal to a small section of the boards that just want to pile onto anything I say

If you found anything I wrote that was AI-generated in this thread, let me know.

I ain’t no wimp. I can take criticism, but that doesn’t mean I won’t constructively critique back.

 

[Chi84]

You didn’t answer my question.

I am not going to change the way I am to appeal to a small section of the boards that just want to pile onto anything I say

I ain’t no wimp.

I edited my post to answer. Inserting Electric Umbrella is clearly not a "typo." You forgot to edit it out.

 

[Chi84]

You didn’t answer my question.

I am not going to change the way I am to appeal to a small section of the boards that just want to pile onto anything I say

If you found anything I wrote that was AI-generated in this thread, let me know.

I ain’t no wimp. I can take criticism, but that doesn’t mean I won’t constructively critique back.

I don't recall seeing "wimp."

 

[Pizza Moon]

I edited my post to answer. Inserting Electric Umbrella is clearly not a "typo." You forgot to edit it out.

That’s what a typo is, it was clearly obvious Electric Umbrella was the total outlier, it isn’t even a new restaurant. Anyone could extrapolate I didn’t intend it, and certainly once I clarified it should’ve become a moot point, but people just won’t let it go.

@wdwmagic @The Mom is there any way to keep these threads from devolving into semantics debates? Accusing people of using AI, then to only not be satisfied when I asked for proof, or other random pile-ons.

Like I can’t win. No matter what I say someone will nitpick and if I respond it devolves into endless back and forth and the thread gets deleted, and I just don’t have time to try to “prove myself” over something as dumb as a typo, nor is how I want to use the forums.

I just want to discuss topics at hand. It’s a great community, only a minority are doing this, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t annoyed at this point.

 

[Pizza Moon]

The food was a big miss for us back in 2023. Not a single memorable thing.

But I still crave all the food we ate at Disneyland CA in 2024... mmmm.

Disneyland has killer quick-service.

Difference between a local’s park and not. Tho Paris has really grown to love DLP. They’ve embraced it culturally. It’s awesome to see.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It’s like, you go to a god-tier themed restaurant like Lucky Nugget Saloon, and while you enjoy the experience the food should be a tad bit better.

A great example - that location has so much potential. The food was ok, but I agree it should be much better.

I’m a big fan of the Disney saloons so I really wanted to experience it the best I could - I’m glad I did, it’s beautiful. But the food should be better and there should be live entertainment.

 

[Pizza Moon]

Of course not, I actually know information. You are the one that posted them together as one name. And you cited a nonexistent/defunct restaurant as having good food. Don’t try to play me as foolish when you made the error.

I just can’t believe it. “I actually know information” is insane cope. You just called out a typo, it doesn’t translate to any real world knowledge and doesn’t dispute anything I know.

Our larger post histories will clearly show a pattern of who is more intimately familiar the parks at a higher level. Since it’s a measuring contest to you.

If credibility on this forum amounts to what you think it should, based on a bunch of likes you got because of a typo, this forum has lost any and all credibility.

 

[Pizza Moon]

A great example - that location has so much potential. The food was ok, but I agree it should be much better.

I’m a big fan of the Disney saloons so I really wanted to experience it the best I could - I’m glad I did, it’s beautiful. But the food should be better and there should be live entertainment.

EXACTLY.

I just don’t get the DLP apologists. I’d kill for their Frontierland, but the experience could be improved a lot. Food is so important to the experience, and it’s bizarre seeing the hate in Orlando and DLP seems to be immune to this criticism despite it being worse?

 

[Pizza Moon]

So you went to DLP once, in 2024, or you've gone to DLP many times over the past 10+ years?

I’ve been 5 times.

 

[Baron Von Capybara]

@wdwmagic @The Mom is there any way to keep these threads from devolving into semantics debates? Accusing people of using AI, then to only not be satisfied when I asked for proof, or other random pile-ons.

If you are unhappy with the way the forums are moderated and run , there is nothing preventing you from starting your own website and moderating it the way you want.

 

[Pizza Moon]

It’s obvious what’s going on. I have a brain lol.

One person responded in bad faith almost certainly knowing what I meant instead of just pointing it out, and the other person understood what I meant.

And I edited my post and I immediately clarified. That should be enough, instead we got 1.5 pages trying to “own” me over a typo.

Like guys, I just want to talk about my positive experience today at the park’s being better upkept than I’ve seen Instagrammers complain about.

The ONLY thing I noticed was the hub lights at EPCOT.

Nothing else, and I mean nothing else was noticeable.

The only chipped paint on anything I saw was at some of the Boardwalk INN resort rooms from the hallways.

There literally wasn’t trash at HWS/EPCOT. And outside of maintenance issues on Rise, every ride looked great.

Toy Story Mania and Tower of Terror need updates bad, but they’re not poorly kept up.

But regardless I was more focused on just general upkeep while walking around. WDW will never be TDL in terms of ride show quality, so that wasn’t my point to emphasize.

 

[Pizza Moon]

If you are unhappy with the way the forums are moderated and run , there is nothing preventing you from starting your own website and moderating it the way you want.

I love the forums and the mods and all they do and have setup, they’re not the problem big picture, everyone is subject to constructive feedback, that’s not a bad thing, but do I think they’re the issue here by and large? No. It’s the pile on from certain users that keep following me in different threads. and then I keep taking the bait.

I’m still trying to figure out why that user couldn’t say where I used AI in this thread with a negative connotation, it wasn’t trying to talk about the topic, or was relevant because I didn’t use AI. They just clearly don’t like my posting style and instead of just respecting a difference in approaches, their solutions are generally to report my posts and bait me so I look like the one causing problems.

Anyway, can we please get back on topic? I don’t want yet another thread I make deleted because people derail it. Please, just talk about Orlando’s upkeep, compare them to other resorts if you want, but I wanted to hear other experiences recently from those who have actually gone.