If it is NBC though the timing really stinks, as Ken Page recently passed away and it stinks that the first permanent ride featuring this property will be the first time someone else will voice Oogie (heck with Catherine O’Hara, Glenn Shadux and Paul Rubens also gone not much of the original cast is left sadly.)
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MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread
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AidenRodriguez731
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I think it would be cool to have a few different changes to around the area to really make villians sink in. I always had the idea in the back of my mind that what if Liberty Square got permanently set into the fall season. (Kinda makes sense already with the Thanksgiving Dinner + Haunted Mansion)
Without the major river, I would think it would be interesting to rename Columbia Harbor House into the Black Flame and have it very loosely tied into Hocus Pocus (I mean heck, most of the menu could just be continued in as MA specialities)
Without the major river, I would think it would be interesting to rename Columbia Harbor House into the Black Flame and have it very loosely tied into Hocus Pocus (I mean heck, most of the menu could just be continued in as MA specialities)
DisneyHead123
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Unless I’m completely misremembering (always a possibility) I actually learned on Len’s podcast that this ride was planned out at one point. It starts with Katrina Van Tassel waving at you from a window as you head off into the forest.
At a personal level, not sure how I feel about this ride as I was absolutely terrified of this cartoon as a kid. Reoccurring nightmares, the works. It was the worst feeling when we were watching Disney Halloween Treats and suddenly the horseman came on, I haaaated it. Also The Old Windmill, that one freaked me out too.
At a practical level, feel like if it was between this and Nightmare Before Christmas, Nightmare would probably get chosen because of the IP factor. It has universal appeal to tweens and teens going through their emo phase in addition to the usual animated movie / Halloween loving fan set. My impression is that it sells a ton of merch as I see Jack Skellington and Sally shirts for kids everywhere.
AidenRodriguez731
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It sells a TON of merch, hell like half of the ToT gift shop is literally NBC stuff like year round.
flyerjab
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The one thing that I can unfortunately see happening is an upcharge within an upcharge. The Halloween Party is always so overpriced at MK. Now imagine for an extra $200 per person, enter the realm of the Villians to really experience a Halloween party like it is meant to be experienced.
And there is unfortunately precedent for this. In the past there was an event in Cinderella’s castle that was an upcharge event during one of the parties.
And there is unfortunately precedent for this. In the past there was an event in Cinderella’s castle that was an upcharge event during one of the parties.
DisneyHead123
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Yeah, I have a feeling that would seal the deal in terms of rides.
AidenRodriguez731
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I am not aware of any time that they had a whole land gated off for an additional upcharge. Tbh I just don't see it especially with stuff like HM etc.
Not to mention, they could easily do the "upcharge" without doing the upcharge by how popular villians will be during halloween. The food places, the rides, the extra experiences (still hoping for a villianous Bibbity Boppity Boutique since that would be fun)
DisneyHead123
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My guess is that the land itself will be open to everyone at Halloween parties, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s being designed with “upcharge experiences” built into the fabric. D’Amaro was around during the creation of Galaxy’s Edge… my guess (all guesses) is that after the Star Cruiser, he still hopes to boost revenue through “extras”, but lesson learned that the paywall barrier can’t block off too much, or else interest in the land is diminished. Star Cruiser shut too much away where people couldn’t see it - guessing they will dangle all the sparkly extras in your face this time, lol.
BrianLo
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I don’t think the lands will be blocked off for after hours events. But certainly a couple more trails and an entertainment offering would allow them to sell more tickets without really impacting the experience.
Nightmare Before Christmas and Coco are exceedingly complimentary if there’s ever another round of projects in any timeframe that’s meaningful to us.
I’m certainly not opposed to another attraction, though I’m not entirely picking that up from Len’s info… but I think even more Magic Kingdom needs it sit down theatre. It’s the most blatantly missing feature that every other castle park hosts, but it.
Nightmare Before Christmas and Coco are exceedingly complimentary if there’s ever another round of projects in any timeframe that’s meaningful to us.
I’m certainly not opposed to another attraction, though I’m not entirely picking that up from Len’s info… but I think even more Magic Kingdom needs it sit down theatre. It’s the most blatantly missing feature that every other castle park hosts, but it.
Notes from Neverland
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Don't forget Club Villain, which I enjoyed.
Club Villain
Club Villain was a ticketed event being held at Disney's Hollywood Studios at the Walt Disney World, adjacent the Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith attraction in the Sunset Showcase building. The first Club Villain took place on January 16, and continued through March, 2016[1] when the...
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Haymarket2008
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You are correct!
It was planned as a part of the original 1971 Fantasyland ride lineup but budget dictated that the California lineup would be best.
Sleepy Hollow was the replacement for “Mr. Toad”. I think Sleeping Beauty was also planned?
Haymarket2008
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I think that IP deserves a mini-land at the very least. I’m not sure if incorporating the IP wholesale into Villains Land would be the best use of the franchise, imho.
owlsandcoffee
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It was an afterthought, if I'm reading you correctly. If you want my summary of someone else's research of the hearsay and such: WED had no intention of putting Pirates into WDW initially. Florida was near the Caribbean; it wasn't really novel for where WDW is. They were going to build Western River Expedition, considered by many of us nerds to be Marc Davis's unrealized masterpiece, where BTMRR is now. It was basically "POTC, but cowboys" since the Western Frontier was more "exotic" for lack of a better word.
POTC was built in a bit of a rush after the park opened because people were asking for it. At the time, WRE was still very much intended to be built, so Marc didn't want POTC to compete with it. He redesigned POTC to make a shorter, faster, less atmospheric version. My read of things is that his intention was to fit all of the vibes and such into WRE.
WRE got scrapped due to a combination of factors: POTC taking some of the budget and being similar, the Energy crisis, and Tony Baxter apparently doing some politicking to get his ride BTMRR built on the same ground. I'm not saying Tony killed WRE, mind you; some people like to rag on this person or that. But the point is the ride was killed by a thousand cuts, one of which was the half-baked POTC that was built.
Incomudro
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I'm not disputing what you are saying, but I'm disputing Disney's logic at the time.
They weren't going to put a PotC in WDW because Florida's geographic location puts it near the Caribbean?
That's ridiculous.
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TrainsOfDisney
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later they built an park themed to the exotic locations in California in….. California. The Anaheim themed area was extremely realistic!!!
Incomudro
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Yes, exactly!
And it's not as though the pirates of the time frame depicted in the ride still existed when they constructed the park.