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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Rodj said:
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And while I was a fan of Detective Pikachu.. gotta say, the fact that apparently (according to Jim Hill), the thing that put a stop to it, was that they “couldn’t figure out how to bring Dreamfinder & Figment into the real world”, is truly baffling & shocking if true. They really couldn’t figure out that they meet at EPCOT Center everyday, outside & inside the pavilion?? And they’re dealing with a ‘real world’ subject? Creativity? Cmon now guys. Are they seriously relying too much or getting ‘that’ tripped up over the 02-current Honey I Shrunk one that hardly anyone likes (which can be proven by the decades long clamoring & complaints towards it)? Or are they trying to needlessly “reinvent it” again? Aii yaii yaii.. The answer ‘should’ be obvious, ignore the clearly garbage one that makes no sense (that Tony Baxter himself detests I might add) and changing things yet again for no reason, and just stick with material from the Original one that made perfect sense, that practically everyone likes & wants back. Simple
 
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FigmentJedi

FigmentJedi

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I am baffled that their plan was to make a "CGI Cartoon Chaaracter goes to the Real World and rides shotgun in car" route with this. Like I know that the CGI Fantasy Worlds you find in live-action Disney movies these days are all a blandly designed homogeneous mess, but I would have expected that the Journey into Imagination movie would be you know, a Journey into Imagination.
If I was one of the attendees of that Pixar screening of the Frankelda movie, I'd be making Back to the Future-esque calls to Burbank.
 
FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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FigmentJedi said:
I am baffled that their plan was to make a "CGI Cartoon Chaaracter goes to the Real World and rides shotgun in car" route with this. Like I know that the CGI Fantasy Worlds you find in live-action Disney movies these days are all a blandly designed homogeneous mess, but I would have expected that the Journey into Imagination movie would be you know, a Journey into Imagination.
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Louder for the bafflingly obtuse folks in Burbank & Glendale. Like holy moly! Jaw droppingly obtuse & clueless. Those responsible for pushing stuff like this should be called out for it and humiliated. I swear, ‘especially’ if they know better/know the truth about/ history behind what happened to this pavilion and other folks have consistently told them this again & again. Otherwise, they better start learning the truth/history & listening to folks that truly get & are passionate about/love this stuff, quick. 20+ years is way more than enough time to realize this, especially if the complaints are clear & immense otherwise. Especially the creators/creatives behind this stuff.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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I mean, those films still make a ton of money at the box office, don't they? The Paddington movies do pretty well...
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Except Paddington is simply true to the original books’ material. That should be the route they go with a Journey Into Imagination film or series (making it true to the original pavilion’s material) if they were to make sure Dreamfinder & Figment looked, acted, and sounded true to their original attraction, meet and greet, & artwork appearances, and Figment not overly realistic looking. (The most realistic I’d accept is his audio-animatronic appearance, but that’s as far as they should ever go. Lol)

You don’t go reinventing the characters & ride concept, you simply expand upon it in a way a film or tv series could, without it coming at the expense of the original material. Why do they think the original material sells and is as popular & well regarded as it is otherwise? I’m not sure why that’s become weirdly so taboo over at Disney lately. It’s not hard to do
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Even the 2024 Little Golden Book added some things here & there that weren’t there in the original ride, but it still felt tasteful and like it didn’t come at the expense of the original material. But again, like, we want the original ride brought back, enhanced the way many of DL’s Fantasyland rides (minus Snow White) and Lincoln were enhanced , with some of the spfx originally planned but not implemented due to tech & budget limitations at the time, finally brought in, and any other stuff like movies & shows to simply tastefully expand upon that. Disney ‘used’ to do that a lot more for years.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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If Disney wants to be the revolutionary, high standard setter they used to be, perhaps going in the direction I just suggested to lead just might lead to a much brighter future for the company and the creative industry as a whole. Celebrating the legacy & brand new works, together, tastefully, without coming at the expense of either.
 
FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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FigmentsBrightIdeas said:
The most realistic I’d accept is his audio-animatronic appearance, but that’s as far as they should ever go.
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On this note btw, could we maybe get Figment’s painted eye position corrected on some of the figures around the park? It’s honestly surprising how often I sadly see them painted bug-eyed as opposed to focused like they’re supposed to be. They’re supposed to look like this (on the right). Did this quick edit through Instagram & iPhoto edits. Such a small detail, yet such a large improvement when corrected.
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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GenChi said:
The answer to this fight is just move Figment to the Mexico pavilion, cmon guys duh



They do actually! They largely work on adverts and theatrical shorts like Once Upon a Studio but they still exist. Theoretically could do the animation portion for a revamp, but would depend on what scale. A GFT level application is totally feasible, a larger sized ride is debatable. For Imagination would depend to the extent it would be required
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It’s worth noting that their 2D department is three people, one of which is Eric Goldberg. For Once Upon a Studio they did a lot of outsourcing to other studios and freelance animators for the final shot.
 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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FigmentsBrightIdeas said:
You don’t go reinventing the characters & ride concept, you simply expand upon it in a way a film or tv series could, without it coming at the expense of the original material.
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An example of what happens when you do this is the Country Bears movie- a film that barely has anything to do with the original attraction and scraps 90% of its characters in favor of very 2000s human characters and celebrity cameos. The writer of the film said he didn’t even care for the attraction and wanted to change it to be more “interesting”.

I’d love to see a proper animated adaptation of the Country Bears, with a movie telling the story of how the group came to be or an animated series, but I don’t think that’ll ever happen at this point.
 
FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost said:
An example of what happens when you do this is the Country Bears movie- a film that barely has anything to do with the original attraction and scraps 90% of its characters in favor of very 2000s human characters and celebrity cameos. The writer of the film said he didn’t even care for the attraction and wanted to change it to be more “interesting”.

I’d love to see a proper animated adaptation of the Country Bears, with a movie telling the story of how the group came to be or an animated series, but I don’t think that’ll ever happen at this point.
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Agreed.. ridiculous how nearly 24 years later, it seems the execs at Disney ‘still’ haven’t learned this lesson.. (PS: I agree 100% on doing that with the Bears, I too would love to see that. Maybe take some of the expanded story material detailed in the original vinyl record album book and the Big Albert Moves In book). But again, same steps should be taken for Journey Into Imagination and staying true to the original, popular attraction at hand.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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FigmentJedi said:
Crumbs coming in March.
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Pray to God, he isnt completely butchered here like he sadly is in the current iteration of the ride. Hoping & praying he’s true to his original self full of childlish delight & curiosity in using his creativity. For those over at DTVA. Please just watch & use both the original pre-99 iteration of the pavilion and the 2024 Little Golden Book for reference, please. It’s supposed to be about how little sparks of inspiration lead to new creations in the realms of Art, Literature, Theatre, Science & Tech, Film, and all the mediums that best utilize creativity. Having my senses tested in an institute lab and seeing an upside down house doesn’t inspire my (nor the majority’s) creative abilities. My hope is that those working on this internally understand that fully, because if not, we’re in real trouble and that is ‘not’ good news for Figment & Dreamfinder. Please get this right 🙏🏻
 
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