Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[DisneyLeo18]

But that’s what Johnny Cochran keeps trying to say: “why wouldn’t you?”

Because it’s double paying for the exact same product. Period. Gambling is a more sound “investment”…

If it’s “I don’t like lines” or “my time is too valuable”…that’s a false premise on two fronts.

1. Amusement parks require lines and always have since Luna park 1888
2. You’re HERE complaining about time.

…that’s always over water huts in bora bora for the eclectic

While the product is exactly the same, how you experience it is different. This is like saying buying first class seats on a plane is the same exact product.

Amusement parks don't require lines anymore.. if you can afford it. I don't like that the industry, and economy as a whole, has taken this path.. but here we are

 

[Chi84]

Or why would they construct rides with half the space in the buildings dedicated to queues?

Still not “required” if you can pay to skip.

 

[Chi84]

If there were no lines... why would there be a paid "kinda-skip the line" service offered? 2+2 does not equal $150 in that "logic".

Of course there are lines! That’s why you pay to skip them.

 

[Chi84]

Like i said i dont agree w all. & im here saying paying up unfortunately is somewhat needed & justified …

In regarding amusement parks at least from my pov some wait times and line are expected

Those aren’t the kind of lines I’m talking about - or the kind Disney is charging to skip.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

While the product is exactly the same, how you experience it is different. This is like saying buying first class seats on a plane is the same exact product.

Amusement parks don't require lines anymore.. if you can afford it. I don't like that the industry, and economy as a whole, has taken this path.. but here we are

An economy is two sided

If the consumer rejects a product…which admittedly takes some brain power…it dies or has to be altered for acceptance. That’s like…laisse faire…or something?

But it’s hard to stay disciplined when you have a three year countdown for “the world” and/or the meds need adjusted

There are still a few people here who champion groupthink and feel special for it…but thankfully the discussion has been lifted (my antics aside) and we actually have more honest accounting these days. You just proved that again

 

[networkpro]

How does this all explain Labubu ?

 

[Jrb1979]

While the product is exactly the same, how you experience it is different. This is like saying buying first class seats on a plane is the same exact product.

Amusement parks don't require lines anymore.. if you can afford it. I don't like that the industry, and economy as a whole, has taken this path.. but here we are

I personally don't have an issue with these paid skip the line systems. All parks do them at this point. My issue is how all these parks sell them. When they first started them, they had a very limited availability to the point that it didn't affect standby that much at all.

Once they saw how much money they can make from it, they don't limit it and sell as many as they can. Yes the Premier pass does sell out but the regular one doesn't.
IMO if they are going to offer the premier pass than the Multi pass has to go. Too many people using the LL queue

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I personally don't have an issue with these paid skip the line systems. All parks do them at this point. My issue is how all these parks sell them. When they first started them, they had a very limited availability to the point that it didn't affect standby that much at all.

Once they saw how much money they can make from it, they don't limit it and sell as many as they can. Yes the Premier pass does sell out but the regular one doesn't.
IMO if they are going to offer the premier pass than the Multi pass has to go. Too many people using the LL queue

That sounds a lot like numbers science…which is what fastpass was based on and lightning lane and fastpass+ threw out the door

 

[Chi84]

I personally don't have an issue with these paid skip the line systems. All parks do them at this point. My issue is how all these parks sell them. When they first started them, they had a very limited availability to the point that it didn't affect standby that much at all.

Once they saw how much money they can make from it, they don't limit it and sell as many as they can. Yes the Premier pass does sell out but the regular one doesn't.
IMO if they are going to offer the premier pass than the Multi pass has to go. Too many people using the LL queue

Are there too many people using the LL queue?

 

[Splash4eva]

Are there too many people using the LL queue?

Im not buying that bc if there was then those lines would be long as well…. Capacity. Always will be the reason not enough rides hours and entertainment

 

[Chi84]

Im not buying that bc if there was then those lines would be long as well…. Capacity. Always will be the reason not enough rides hours and entertainment

I thought lines were finally starting to even out between standby and LLs. A lot of people say wait times aren’t that bad now.

 

[Brooklin Disney Dad]

Premier passes is another example of trying to create a specific crowd (the rich and privileged), forcing people/families to spend beyond their budget to “keep up with the Jones’” or risk losing the full park experience.
DL and DW were created for family. Not profit margin growth. It is sad but a reality.
Our children will never learn patience if we keep giving in to the need for instantaneous satisfaction.

 

[Jrb1979]

I thought lines were finally starting to even out between standby and LLs. A lot of people say wait times aren’t that bad now.

A part of it is due to lower attendance.

As for LL usage. I know nobody likes to wait in long lines. No park has enough capacity to give everyone short waits. It's why I'm firmly for eliminating Multi pass and keeping only Premier pass. Also allowing those with Premier pass to ride attractions as many times as they want.

By doing that while standby will be longer, it also will consistently move. The other benefit is those who buy Premier pass will get their moneys worth.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Im not buying that bc if there was then those lines would be long as well…. Capacity. Always will be the reason not enough rides hours and entertainment

Failure to keep up with capacity for 25 years of normal travel volume increase is the issue…and they fully know

…or believe what they tell you for their interests

A rather binary choice

 

[Chi84]

A part of it is due to lower attendance.

As for LL usage. I know nobody likes to wait in long lines. No park has enough capacity to give everyone short waits. It's why I'm firmly for eliminating Multi pass and keeping only Premier pass. Also allowing those with Premier pass to ride attractions as many times as they want.

By doing that while standby will be longer, it also will consistently move. The other benefit is those who buy Premier pass will get their moneys worth.

Are the people in the LLs now waiting in long lines though? If not, why would Disney have incentive to remove the multi-pass option.

Why would it matter if the standby waits are shorter due to lower attendance instead of park operations figuring out how to keep both lines moving?

 

[networkpro]

That sounds a lot like numbers science…which is what fastpass was based on and lightning lane and fastpass+ threw out the door

I wouldn't go that far, it still hasn't been a full year since they did a "numbers science" thing on a category of park users which stopped the overflowing FP+ lanes and made the standby lanes move again. This is from personal observation this year before this change in April for a week then afterwards in August, September, October, November, and December this year for a week to 14 days each trip. I believe that @lentesta 's "number science" things show similar trends but based on more data collection than my observations. I'll keep it as generic as that as to not stir the ant nest.

 

[Splash4eva]

Failure to keep up with capacity for 25 years of normal travel volume increase is the issue…and they fully know

…or believe what they tell you for their interests

A rather binary choice

We have repeated the same story countless times. Add capacity. People will still pay. Win win for everyone and more people will come more people will spend.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We have repeated the same story countless times. Add capacity. People will still pay. Win win for everyone and more people will come more people will spend.

Yet we’re in a cycle of elaborate drawn out replacements with almost no net gain in capacity…

Must be a hell of a coincidence, huh?

 

[Splash4eva]

I thought lines were finally starting to even out between standby and LLs. A lot of people say wait times aren’t that bad now.

Ive “reported” recently from people i know who were just there ones who have been before and another who hasnt. They both said lines were long and far from walk ons and non existent. All during Thanksgiving week Tuesday prior to the following Wednesday. These are people who were in parks majority of day who are experienced. So people can post whatever pics they want and post whatever average wait times they want. I will go with personal friends and family who literally just came back and spent every day in the parks.

 

[Splash4eva]

Yet we’re in a cycle of elaborate drawn out replacements with almost no net gain in capacity…

Must be a hell of a coincidence, huh?

Its at a point where its almost done intentional. I find it hard to imagine a company this big and “successful” be that stupid when it comes to the obvious…