MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[TrainsOfDisney]

Another poster suggested there was information about that so I’m asking for it.

I can’t remember where it was but I remember Martin heavily implied there were discussions still happening well after it was announced.

 

[Chi84]

I can’t remember where it was but I remember Martin heavily implied there were discussions still happening well after it was announced.

I searched both threads and couldn’t find a comment saying discussions were happening well after it was announced.

Maybe it’s somewhere else but I doubt it. As @peter11435 said, there is no indication the company was looking for a plan to save the river.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I searched both threads and couldn’t find a comment saying discussions were happening well after it was announced.

Maybe it’s somewhere else but I doubt it. As @peter11435 said, there is no indication the company was looking for a plan to save the river.

I'm sure it was brought up as a possibility, but my understanding is all kinds of ideas are brought up all the time sooooooooo, it means about squat.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

it means about squat.

Imagineers thoughts and ideas are squat?

Yeah… Tony baxters discover bay idea was squat cause he’s just an imagineer who brought up a possibility.

 

[UNCgolf]

I can’t remember where it was but I remember Martin heavily implied there were discussions still happening well after it was announced.

I think Martin said they'd been looking at plans to eliminate the Rivers of America for a couple of decades too.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Despite all the pushback internally, despite being told by people who know why this is wrong, despite external complaints, they still insist on doing it.

I searched both threads and couldn’t find a comment saying discussions were happening well after it was announced.

Here it is.

 

[Chi84]

Here it is.

Where does it say discussions were happening well after it was announced? That’s just a general statement about dissatisfaction with Disney’s decision.

There’s nothing there that supports the notion that there were plans in existence that Disney was holding meetings to consider, much less that those imaginary plans had a prayer of success.

Either you are being disingenuous or you truly don’t understand the difference. Either way this is unproductive.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Either you are being disingenuous or you truly don’t understand the difference. Either way this is unproductive.

you seem to have a personal issue with me, I’m sorry if I upset you

it’s ironic because it seems you are being disingenuous and looking for ways to call me a liar or stupid or both.

Since you don’t seem to have anything to say about this project - I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Imagineers thoughts and ideas are squat?

Yeah… Tony baxters discover bay idea was squat cause he’s just an imagineer who brought up a possibility.

I thought the other strawmen would certainly be packed up with the other fall decorations but clearly here we are.

Clearly that's not what I meant.

 

[Chi84]

you seem to have a personal issue with me, I’m sorry if I upset you

it’s ironic because it seems you are being disingenuous and looking for ways to call me a liar or stupid or both.

Since you don’t seem to have anything to say about this project - I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

I have no issue with you personally. But your posts tend to make unsupported comments or assumptions and you often make straw man arguments.

 

[donaldtoo]

I thought this was the CONSTRUCTION thread…?!

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I thought this was the CONSTRUCTION thread…?!

Indeed, 'tis! I am the OP.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Indeed, 'tis! I am the OP.

And you’re extra disgruntled I’m sure! haha

 

[marni1971]

I can’t remember where it was but I remember Martin heavily implied there were discussions still happening well after it was announced.

I think Martin said they'd been looking at plans to eliminate the Rivers of America for a couple of decades too.

Yes to both (well, one decade AFAIK. Prior to that plans would have kept “a river”)

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Then you are suggesting that WDW is right and Anaheim and Paris are wrong?

Do I think what WDW did is right? Yes the area including the river and TSI was completely underutilized and plans to change that I think make sense. But that has nothing to do and is independent of any decions relating to Disneyland (either in CA or Paris.) Those are different parks, with different layouts, ride make ups, attendance figures, demographic, ect. What is the “right” decision for those parks has nothing to do with WDW.

 

[jah4955]

WHat I was reacting to was the reference to popularity if the river was not there, so it should go... my response was that the ROA, like many other scenic parts of the park that exist purely for placemaking and beauty, don't necessarily have to be "popular"...or shouldn't have to just be popular.... The comparison was made to the waterways around the hub that also once hosted an attraction...but in that case they left the waterway for the aesthetic beauty rather than fill the area with an additional ring of shops and a tilt-a-whirl... I know we both have the same opinion of the end result... Going down the rabbit hole of "popularity" leads to assessing every single detail and assigning a popularity scale to it... Which could lead to the loss of all the park charm eventually.... I don't see a whole lot of people in the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse...but like the ROA, it is more than just an attraction... Placemaking should matter.... even though they could probably fit another eggroll stand and a spinner in that spot....

Because in-part of the remaining water features, even after the recent revamp the hub remains one of the nicest parts of the park (though I wish they didn't chop down all those trees, and although I no longer have any memories of them, I wish that they still kept the Swan Boats).

They intentionally set-aside all that space in the hub for the intention of putting the visitor at-ease, even relaxing (a far cry from the "go! go! go!" they seem to instil elsewhere.

They wanted to avoid repeating Disneyland's cramped hub when planning MK.

They forgot that in 1998 when putting the spinner at the entrance of DL's TL. Even the staunchest DL loyalists still acknowledge that was a huge mistake.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What is the “right” decision for those parks has nothing to do with WDW.

I’m not sure this is really a discussion about good theme park design then. If we’re evaluating design choices, it’s completely reasonable to compare the castle parks to each other. They share the same core design philosophy, iconography, and guest expectations.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I’m not sure this is really a discussion about good theme park design then. If we’re evaluating design choices, it’s completely reasonable to compare the castle parks to each other. They share the same core design philosophy, iconography, and guest expectations.

It’s not. Because there is no universal objective “good.” How a park is utilized is based on a multitude of factors, each specific to that park. The land they are on, how many people are visiting the park, what type of people are visiting, what the people who do visit each park are utilizing in each park, and what they are not. It’s just plain stupid to think decisions at one park, would have any bearing on decisions of another park. Nor is this really a question of park design at all. It’s about park space utilization of existing space/attractions which is even more of a subjective issue. I mean to take the extreme hypothetical as an example if no one at Disneyland Paris was riding phantom manor, it would make sense to replace it with something else. That doesn’t mean WDW should get rid of haunted mansion, nor does it mean Paris would be wrong to get rid of it if WDW and Disneyland were keeping their rides.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I mean to take the extreme hypothetical as an example if no one at Disneyland Paris was riding phantom manor, it would make sense to replace it with something else.

Wouldn’t that also mean if the same number of people were riding phantom manor as haunted mansion it would be reasonable to think they were both being utilized equally?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Nor is this really a question of park design at all. It’s about park space utilization

says who? The people designing this are not “space utilizers” they are theme park designers.