Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

[Disney Irish]

mickEblu to general thread: wow I wonder why they never went through with this slam dunk fun idea at Cars Land

Irish to MickEblu: Hmmm how can I turn this into a debate? Ok, let’s question his consistency.

(Shoot that didn’t work)

Ok, well then let me strawman this into shoehorning Tron into Disneylands Tomorrowland.


Gotta love it

At a certain point you have to realize I'm just riffing you most of the time not trying to debate you.

 

[mickEblu]

At a certain point you have to realize I'm just riffing you most of the time not trying to debate you.

Yeah but see with communication you have to consider the sender. And so I can’t really ever give you the benefit of the doubt unfortunately. Too much data.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah but see with communication you have to consider the sender. And so I can’t really ever give you the benefit of the doubt unfortunately. Too much data.

Likewise.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Considering Pandora AK is regarded as one of the best new-era lands, execution is not a major concern.



I think most Californians would say this is more transportive than GP.

Minus me.

Pandora was insanely unappealing. I got in, went on the terrible boat ride, watched a terrible entertainment interaction, and left as soon as I could. No interest in going back at all nor any interest in whatever Avatar land pops up here. That said, the only thing I love about Animal Kingdom at all is Festival of the Lion King which I could - and have - watch all day long. Pandora and Animal Kingdom are the same boredom level to me - I understand they are aesthetically pretty or whatever, but man is it the most boring Disney park I've ever been to. It's the same as GE which is expensively themed and emotionally empty. I know few here like AC, but the emotion and investment quotient there comes from the character interactions. Plus I also enjoy Web Slingers and the queue for Mission: Breakout. They are all lower budget than GE but stir much more emotional response for me. Other than maybe the first time I saw the Millennium Falcon parked there - that's a showstopper for anyone's first visit - but the view of the Quinjet atop Avengers Headquarters especially at night is really cool, too.

By contrast, I'm rather fond of GP, especially with its 1950s flourishes like nods to Humphrey, the period car as noted, and the very enjoyable soundtrack inside Smokejumpers Grill, which is probably second only at DCA to the Cars Land and specifically Flo's soundtracks which are also terrific. I love walking that winding path past GRR at night - and doubly so now that the holiday lights are up. I find that area peaceful and relaxing probably because its theming is to a period and a place more than a Disney movie specifically.

But as always, YMMV.

 

[DrStarlander]

Yeah but see with communication you have to consider the sender. And so I can’t really ever give you the benefit of the doubt unfortunately. Too much data.

Likewise.

Well, at times it was acrimonious. But on the plus side, we enhanced Grizzly Peak a bit, reworked Luigi's Rollickin' Roadsters. I easily hit my quota for insulting the Madame Leota gift shop, and over on YouTube I was able to say how dumb Smuggler's Run is. All in all, I'd say today was a solid way to wrap up the workweek. TGIF!

 

[BrianLo]

My hope is for a New York-inspired land to represent American Adventure in a future WestCOT. Then we get a Spider-Man coaster there, along with the Muppets, Miles, and Enchanted.

I would die happy if theme parks never built a new New York or Hollywood again.

It’s already done to death.

 

[coffeefan]

I would die happy if theme parks never built a new New York or Hollywood again.

It’s already done to death.

That's because you're a globetrotter. In California, it's not oversaturated, and I'd argue it's the best setting for an American Adventure, because it (1) complements DL/DCA and (2) IP tie-ins, which are inevitable. Plus, since American Waterfront is superb at TDS, it inspires more confidence that they won't mess up. And even if I'm wrong, it's worth it for a proper Spider-Man setting.

 

[coffeefan]

Minus me.

Pandora was insanely unappealing. I got in, went on the terrible boat ride, watched a terrible entertainment interaction, and left as soon as I could. No interest in going back at all nor any interest in whatever Avatar land pops up here. That said, the only thing I love about Animal Kingdom at all is Festival of the Lion King which I could - and have - watch all day long. Pandora and Animal Kingdom are the same boredom level to me - I understand they are aesthetically pretty or whatever, but man is it the most boring Disney park I've ever been to. It's the same as GE which is expensively themed and emotionally empty. I know few here like AC, but the emotion and investment quotient there comes from the character interactions. Plus I also enjoy Web Slingers and the queue for Mission: Breakout. They are all lower budget than GE but stir much more emotional response for me. Other than maybe the first time I saw the Millennium Falcon parked there - that's a showstopper for anyone's first visit - but the view of the Quinjet atop Avengers Headquarters especially at night is really cool, too.

By contrast, I'm rather fond of GP, especially with its 1950s flourishes like nods to Humphrey, the period car as noted, and the very enjoyable soundtrack inside Smokejumpers Grill, which is probably second only at DCA to the Cars Land and specifically Flo's soundtracks which are also terrific. I love walking that winding path past GRR at night - and doubly so now that the holiday lights are up. I find that area peaceful and relaxing probably because its theming is to a period and a place more than a Disney movie specifically.

But as always, YMMV.

It sounds like you value character entertainment above all; it makes sense why you like Avengers Campus the most. But if you take the characters out of AC, it falls apart. The other lands, GP and Pandora don't offer much when it comes to character entertainment and interaction. The highlight there is theming and atmosphere. Ideally, a great land would have all three. That's why Cars Land is such a hit with most people - it has all three.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

In short Mayor Tait saved Toontown and Chapek saved Grizzly Peak. If you know, you know. Which of course means that Mayor Tait is Eddie Valiant and Chapek is Smokey the Bear.

Did this have something to do with MMRR originally going to DCA? Which would’ve left Toontown for a Fantasyland expansion I guess…

 

[mickEblu]

Did this have something to do with MMRR originally going to DCA? Which would’ve left Toontown for a Fantasyland expansion I guess…

Yeah the plan was originally for MMRR to go to DCA. When Mayor Tait and the city made a big stink about the Eastern gateway/ DCA expansion area plans Disney pivoted to Toontown. Before all of this it was heavily rumored that Toontown was being looked at for a Fantasyland expansion. Most likely Arendelle. Probably explains why Disneyland still doesn’t have a Frozen attraction.

 

[Professortango1]

Yeah the plan was originally for MMRR to go to DCA. When Mayor Tait and the city made a big stink about the Eastern gateway/ DCA expansion area plans Disney pivoted to Toontown. Before all of this it was heavily rumored that Toontown was being looked at for a Fantasyland expansion. Most likely Arendelle. Probably explains why Disneyland still doesn’t have a Frozen attraction.

Hey, if that means a world where Toontown in DL is gone but a smaller, better version replaced the Hollywood Pictures Backlot I would have been all for that. MMRR and an Oswald ride combined with a restaurant and the stage space and you have yourself a good mini land that compliments Hollywoodland.

 

[mickEblu]

Hey, if that means a world where Toontown in DL is gone but a smaller, better version replaced the Hollywood Pictures Backlot I would have been all for that. MMRR and an Oswald ride combined with a restaurant and the stage space and you have yourself a good mini land that compliments Hollywoodland.

That’s a lot of If’s though. They haven’t exactly been killin it lately.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Do you have a real world example of any theme park/amusement park using such a space for an actual coaster build and not just a pie-in-the-sky idea but an actual functioning coaster?

Popping in very late, with apologies if I'm missing the thread of this particular part of the discussion.

But if we're looking for precedent re: whether or not there's a coaster that crosses a public road, the answer is actually yes.

Ravine Flyer II at Waldameer Park in Erie, PA. Constructed in 2008.

 

[Disney Irish]

Popping in very late, with apologies if I'm missing the thread of this particular part of the discussion.

But if we're looking for precedent re: whether or not there's a coaster that crosses a public road, the answer is actually yes.

Ravine Flyer II at Waldameer Park in Erie, PA. Constructed in 2008.
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That wasn’t what the conversation was about. But it’s alright we’ve moved on from that.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

It sounds like you value character entertainment above all; it makes sense why you like Avengers Campus the most. But if you take the characters out of AC, it falls apart. The other lands, GP and Pandora don't offer much when it comes to character entertainment and interaction. The highlight there is theming and atmosphere. Ideally, a great land would have all three. That's why Cars Land is such a hit with most people - it has all three.

Characters and entertainment are indeed a main reason I go to the parks on a regular basis. And I agree, if they were stripped from AC, it would kill the heart of that land as it currently exists. I am glad AC is getting two new attractions even if I'll never go on them due to motion sickness, so long as they keep the characters around who bring such fun interactions on a daily basis to guests. And I'm still happy they made one attraction, Web Slingers, that I could go on. Not everyone wants a land that is all thrill rides.

GP used to have more entertainment - Minnie's Flygirls and a singing cowboy type are ones I can think of offhand - but sadly they were part of a major removal of DCA entertainment around a decade ago. However, I still really enjoy strolling through GP and find it one of the most peaceful places in DLR. There's just a... gentle appeal to it.

I love Cars Land but sadly entertainment was stripped out of there a while ago, too, when they removed DJ's show. Though I always will happily stop by for the dusk lighting show. I guess the cars are characters but they are not the type of interactions I seek - they feel more like posing with a parade float lol. But I do think Cars Land is objectively the best part of DCA. It's truly flat out stepping inside a movie.

 

[Professortango1]

Characters and entertainment are indeed a main reason I go to the parks on a regular basis. And I agree, if they were stripped from AC, it would kill the heart of that land as it currently exists. I am glad AC is getting two new attractions even if I'll never go on them due to motion sickness, so long as they keep the characters around who bring such fun interactions on a daily basis to guests. And I'm still happy they made one attraction, Web Slingers, that I could go on. Not everyone wants a land that is all thrill rides.

GP used to have more entertainment - Minnie's Flygirls and a singing cowboy type are ones I can think of offhand - but sadly they were part of a major removal of DCA entertainment around a decade ago. However, I still really enjoy strolling through GP and find it one of the most peaceful places in DLR. There's just a... gentle appeal to it.

I love Cars Land but sadly entertainment was stripped out of there a while ago, too, when they removed DJ's show. Though I always will happily stop by for the dusk lighting show. I guess the cars are characters but they are not the type of interactions I seek - they feel more like posing with a parade float lol. But I do think Cars Land is objectively the best part of DCA. It's truly flat out stepping inside a movie.

It is why I would love to see WEB Slingers replaced with something more enjoyable to all. Last time I did WEB Slingers I was feeling it for the next few hours. And given there is so little to enjoy on the attraction as a darkride without flailing about, it's not something I really want to do. Replace it with a trippy illusion-filled Doctor Strange funhouse ride and I'm riding that thing every visit. AC needs a ride that whole family ride.

 

[mickEblu]

It is why I would love to see WEB Slingers replaced with something more enjoyable to all. Last time I did WEB Slingers I was feeling it for the next few hours. And given there is so little to enjoy on the attraction as a darkride without flailing about, it's not something I really want to do. Replace it with a trippy illusion-filled Doctor Strange funhouse ride and I'm riding that thing every visit. AC needs a ride that whole family ride.

Thats what Webslinbgers was supposed to be. I suppose it is. It just sucks. Not sure they have the room for a Dr. Strange Dark ride like you suggest but I could be wrong. In Webslingners we're just going up and down back to back hallways and being parked in front of screens. Not sure they have the space for a fleshed out dark ride unless they get really creative with the space and also park us in front of a couple screens to beef up that ride time.

 

[Professortango1]

Thats what Webslinbgers was supposed to be. I suppose it is. It just sucks. Not sure they have the room for a Dr. Strange Dark ride like you suggest but I could be wrong. In Webslingners we're just going up and down back to back hallways and being parked in front of screens. Not sure they have the space for a fleshed out dark ride unless they get really creative with the space and also park us in front of a couple screens to beef up that ride time.

The show building is about the same size as Pooh at Disneyland. You could easily fit a slow-moving pretzel-style darkride that utilized mirrors and screens to pull off a variety of impressive landscapes to journey through. Imagine a 21st Century Tron Tunnel as we travel the astral plane.



EDIT: Better yet, put a darkride or Drive In Diner where Luigi's is and use those trackless vehicle bases for a trackless ride. It is like a trippy scaled down Minnie and Mickey's RR. You get more bang for your buck in each scene, more disorienting, existing ride vehicles, adds two new mid-level darkrides to DCA making it feel more like a complete park while also making up for Monsters Inc's loss.

 

[mickEblu]

The show building is about the same size as Pooh at Disneyland. You could easily fit a slow-moving pretzel-style darkride that utilized mirrors and screens to pull off a variety of impressive landscapes to journey through. Imagine a 21st Century Tron Tunnel as we travel the astral plane.

Maybe it’s more space than I thought. I just thought about the lousy Webslingers layout with practically no physical sets and figured it was due to a lack of space. Like damn not one physical focused scene with a Spiderman AA?

 

[Professortango1]

Maybe it’s more space than I thought. I just thought about the lousy Webslingers layout with practically no physical sets and figured it was due to a lack of space. Like damn not one physical focused scene with a Spiderman AA?

If you think about it, those screen halls are wide enough for a 4-person bench seat and the housing for the screens. Swap that out with a smaller 3-person bench seat with 3 rows (a la Pooh), and now each vehicle carrying up to 12 guests vs 8. Current track layout is 6 hallways with 5 turns. Even if the ride remained 100% screen based as it, you'd have a potential of 11 show scenes. Now keep some screens and remove others for practical scenes and you suddenly have even more room to play with zero changes to the track layout. Heck, they could mount a 12-person vehicle to the same chassis and keep most the same ride system and use the vehicles as more thrilling pulsed omnimovers.

The end result is a fun D-ticket that is unique to DCA, feels like a classic Disney ride, is fun for everyone from kids to grandparents to teens, and has far greater capacity adding more quick filler attractions to DCA.

Now, in a more blue-sky concept, you can see how the show building is essentially 3 rooms. If you were to remove the pre-show and reclaim Theatre B for show scenes, you'd have three good-sized rooms to either wind through tightly or to open up into big trackless movement sequences. You'd also have holding room and theatre A become themed indoor queue space for a big queue moment (like Bizz in Astro Blasters) or more space for fun easter eggs and interactive elements.