DisneyHead123
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Yeah I’d be curious to see how a well done, modern non-IP ride did. The last one that comes to mind is Expedition Everest.
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DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater
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HMF
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The main rationale is that Bob Iger doesn't have a creative bone in his body.
HMF
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There was one. It operated from 1986 through 2006.
HMF
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That is mostly because it was one of the few actual attractions that came with "New Fantasyland"
HMF
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That says more about Disney's reluctance to invest in World Showcase than it does about Maelstrom.
James Alucobond
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As presented in the film, we know. Neither did the story in the film A Bug's Life, neither do the narratives of Lion King and Pocahontas aside from one song apiece, neither do Encanto and Indiana Jones, etc. However, as there is no point right now in speculating about IP-free attractions, it's more realistic to hope for lands where the available IP options are either generally appropriate or at least superficially inoffensive and capable of being manipulated toward thematic cohesion.
HMF
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It is quite fascinating how much of DCA's real estate the Mermaid show building takes up considering its quality.
HMF
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We could always kick him out like the pavilion was for the first twenty years of it's existence.
HMF
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It doesn't really fit either, but AK would be less objectionable.
HMF
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Which was literally the final attraction Michael Eisner approved before he was forced out of the company.
AidenRodriguez731
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It would not do THAT good imo. Simply put
DrStarlander
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Are you talking just WDW? Mystic Manor opened in 2013 and seems like people like it. I wouldn't complain about having something like that at any Disney park.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It wasn't a matter of invest - it was a matter of design. Even if the japan ride happened, it would have been largely the same issue. WS is a ride desert.. and at the time EPCOT as a whole really lacked any thrill elements. Disney really hammed up Malestrom as this attraction with this thrill element.. and really was such a small piece of it, it came across as way over selling and under delivering. The fact the elements like the dry film at the end were so boring for many really contributed to it all as well. The attraction was weak compared to it's contemporaries elsewhere.
A point that would have mattered when new... not a generation later like we are talking about now. That was literally 13 years ago now.. it's ride appeal is no longer "hey, lets go check out the new FL ride!".
UNCgolf
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I just Googled Magic Kingdom average wait times and the Little Mermaid is near the very bottom; on average it has one of the lowest wait times in the park. This is obviously anecdotal, but the last two times I was there it was a legitimate walk-on -- we just strolled through the queue and boarded without ever stopping.
I wonder what the data @lentesta has would show, though.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The graphs posted already speak to the data on longer terms and you can compare. https://www.thrill-data.com/waits/attraction/magic-kingdom/undertheseajourneyofthelittlemermaid/ if you aren't familiar with the site.
UNCgolf
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Disney Magic Kingdom wait time statistics
Get historical wait time statistics for all rides and attractions at Disney Magic Kingdom.
queue-times.com
They have data since the Little Mermaid opened and have it as consistently near the bottom of all rides at the Magic Kingdom. A 15-20 minute posted wait generally means the ride is a walk-on (it was posted at 20 minutes both times we walked straight through the queue and boarded).
I doubt Disney considers it a major success considering how much money they spent on it, especially with how much more money they spent to try to improve it.
WondersOfLife
Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
I hate to be the one to admit it, guys... But average, normal people in the world truly dont appreciate originality, art, and effort anymore. Most people really do have the mindsets of "I know dat movie! Woo!" and "This ride goes zoom zoom fast! Best ride ever!"
And there is no sense in continuing the unending argument with these people... Which, again (sadly), make up the majority of the average human population, and the average tourist that visits Disney World.
And this is a message I have stated since I was 13 years old on these threads (im 27 now). But I feel like that message is more important now than ever.
On the flip side, to the annoying folks who keep replying with "YoU jUSt cAnT aCCepT ChAnGe!!!" ....We come here to complain about what we lost because it is near impossible to find that many likeminded people in the real world that give a s***. It is nice to be able to vent somewhere about what was, what could have been, and what could be but wont happen.
Someone here said recently that there is a difference between "Disney Adults" and "Theme Park Enthusiasts" and I 100% agree. I wish the average Disney Adult Pixie Duster would just stay in those Facebook groups tho instead of taking over the forums and threads here that just enjoy discrediting intellectual discussions with "New is always better. You're stupid for thinking old was better" posts all the time.
Two very different types of fandoms are just increasingly getting more tense because Disney truly is changing in favor for the generic fandom. And I wish that generic fandom would just stay on Facebook. Because the theme park enthusiasts need a place to escape from you guys. We dont have a large community. Let us have our rants.
And there is no sense in continuing the unending argument with these people... Which, again (sadly), make up the majority of the average human population, and the average tourist that visits Disney World.
And this is a message I have stated since I was 13 years old on these threads (im 27 now). But I feel like that message is more important now than ever.
On the flip side, to the annoying folks who keep replying with "YoU jUSt cAnT aCCepT ChAnGe!!!" ....We come here to complain about what we lost because it is near impossible to find that many likeminded people in the real world that give a s***. It is nice to be able to vent somewhere about what was, what could have been, and what could be but wont happen.
Someone here said recently that there is a difference between "Disney Adults" and "Theme Park Enthusiasts" and I 100% agree. I wish the average Disney Adult Pixie Duster would just stay in those Facebook groups tho instead of taking over the forums and threads here that just enjoy discrediting intellectual discussions with "New is always better. You're stupid for thinking old was better" posts all the time.
Two very different types of fandoms are just increasingly getting more tense because Disney truly is changing in favor for the generic fandom. And I wish that generic fandom would just stay on Facebook. Because the theme park enthusiasts need a place to escape from you guys. We dont have a large community. Let us have our rants.
WondersOfLife
Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Test Track 3.0 can essentially be considered a re-skin of an old ride and is an improvement of the original instead of a downgrade. It proves that OG Epcot principles could still work if they just....... Tried.
MrPromey
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So in your opinion, an IP tie-in is more important to the success of an attraction than the quality?
Does that mean you feel that if a ride like Soarin' or Test Track were to open today, it would not have the popularity these two do? You think had Soarin' opened today, it'd just be a walk-on?
Brer Panther
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So basically, Disney could just put a giant pile of dung in the middle of EPCOT, slap a picture of Elsa or Moana on it, and everyone would still flock to it just because there's an IP attached to it?