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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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From what I seen the 99 clips Channing isn't a moon in that version It's just him and Figment..Not sure why they decided to take a Monty python makeup route.. It's not like we needed to be freaked out enough..
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Otherwise it was probably just their way of trying to be more funny.. but even that considered.. it’s weird to me to take Eric Idle, who works best as a comedy relief/supporting character in literally every other role he’s played and instead make him a dull, monotone scientist that’s the head of an institute leading the thing. Again, creative decisions that just make you go “Why?” and as Bob Gibbons stated during the making of Journey Into YOUR Imagination, “How does this fit in with the storyline?”. And that isn’t on Eric I should mention, he was just given lousy material and cast in a role he honestly never should’ve been put into to begin with. The character worked fine in the context of Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, but the Journey Into Imagination ride? How does a monotone chairman scientist that doesn’t get what imagination is, compliment a Journey into Imagination, let alone partnering him with a whimsical figment of imagination he doesn’t even create? A jolly Santa-esque magician that deals entirely with collecting, storing, and forming ideas (Dreamfinder) who literally creates him w little sparks of inspiration in front of our eyes didn’t work better? Let alone having Figment say to the dull chairman scientist that doesn’t get what imagination is, that he “has a wonderful imagination” at the end, after everything we witnessed on that ride *shrug*
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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When everyone reacts to the finale of JIIWF
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Fixed that for ya. JII (Journey Into Imagination) would stand for the 83-98 original beloved classic, JIYI (Journey Into YOUR Imagination) the shortlived 99-01 iteration, and JIIWF (Journey Into Imagination With Figment) the 02-Current iteration .
But yup, that reaction is totally accurate, lol!
 
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Cmdr_Crimson

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Otherwise it was probably just their way of trying to be more funny.. but even that considered.. it’s weird to me to take Eric Idle, who works best as a comedy relief/supporting character in literally every other role he’s played and instead make him a dull, monotone scientist that’s the head of an institute leading the thing. Again, creative decisions that just make you go “Why?” and as Bob Gibbons stated during the making of Journey Into YOUR Imagination, “How does this fit in with the storyline?”. And that isn’t on Eric I should mention, he was just given lousy material and cast in a role he honestly never should’ve been put into to begin with. The character worked fine in the context of Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, but the Journey Into Imagination ride? How does a monotone chairman scientist that doesn’t get what imagination is, compliment a Journey into Imagination, let alone partnering him with a whimsical figment of imagination he doesn’t even create? A jolly Santa-esque magician that deals entirely with collecting, storing, and forming ideas (Dreamfinder) who literally creates him w little sparks of inspiration in front of our eyes didn’t work better? Let alone having Figment say to the dull chairman scientist that doesn’t get what imagination is, that he “has a wonderful imagination” at the end, after everything we witnessed on that ride *shrug*
You have seen him in Secret of Nimh 2? The song he sings in that ironically fits Nigel Channing character going utterly mad...🤣


And even more so ironic he voices a dragon that "suspiciously" looks like Figment in Quest for Camelot.🤔
 

Shishagumi

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Speaking of wasting budget on that redo.. something else I never fully understood was why they decided to recast Corey Burton when he played Figment perfectly in 99-01’s Journey Into YOUR Imagination, to the point he sounds nearly indistinguishable to Billy Barty’s original 83-98 performances of the character. (The Yeah, Oooh!, the laugh, and the Can they imagine too? lines are archival recordings of Billy but the rest is Corey. You can hear the slight difference in the voice). On that note, something fascinating I ought to mention is a D23 podcast interview with Dave Goelz done (possibly a few years ago, if I remember right?) he mentions when he got cast as Figment and got brought in to record the lines. He initially was going to do a Billy Barty impression upon being told he did it in the past, but the casting director insisted to him, not to sound like Billy Barty but to come up with his own character. No idea why, but it’s bizarre.
Btw, interesting thing to note upon hearing a recent Jim Hill podcast, apparently originally, the project was headed by former imagineer David Mumford and he was initially trying to get Dreamfinder in. And (for some reason or another), he wasn’t able to. Something that typically isn’t mentioned in lookbacks either is that Kathy Mangum became the show producer at some point during production. Not exactly sure what the whole story is/what happened there.. but yeah… Really Odd.. EPCOT Legacy website and some old Orlando Sentinel papers at the time mention a little more on that.
Now granted, I believe David (might be misremembering this) sadly passed before the redo was opened. He might have gotten sick during production, again, can’t fully remember. But yeah.. again, seems like it’s got a convoluted backstory for sure. The only other things I know about it is that Larry Nikolai & Chris Turner were artists on it. I know Larry has stated previously, even he believes that the current ride is a downgrade from the original. Larry did this art of Figment watching the TV, in this version, his outfit is green as opposed to yellow, and Dreamfinder is seen on the TV rather than the reused animations we got from the Mirage activity added to ImageWorks during its little revamp it got in the early 90s (such as the additions of Figment’s Coloring Book replacing Bubble Music, a new Fantasy adventure segment being added to Dreamfinder’s School of Drama, Dreamfinder’s Blimp Race replacing the Lumia ball, and the Making Faces photo activity being added). Seemingly confirming the idea of Dreamfinder originally being the host in earlier concepts was indeed a thing being explored at some point. But again, can’t fully confirm on this. Perhaps you (@Shishagumi ), could contact Larry, Chris, and others and ask them to tell & share more with you? That might be an interesting video to make after your Muppet*Vision 3D video.. the making of the 02-current Journey Into Imagination With Figment redo. Heck, maybe even the 99-01 Journey Into YOUR Imagination too, on that note. Lol! Tom Fitzgerald (supposedly) created that one. Cover both of em. A seemingly very convoluted & bizarre backstory behind the worst revamps of a ride in theme park history, that honestly should be properly documented & set straight by this point.
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Just sent you a direct message, I'd love to discuss this further with you there. Thank you so much for the insights!
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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There is also some concept art in an Imagineering book I own. I think it’s called The Imagineering Guide to Epcot, or something like that. I think it was released in ‘06? It features concept art of some of the Blast finale figures (further proving that they are Infact, not original 83-98 figures shoehorned into that scene, as has been stated by some previously but newly fabricated for the 02 iteration of the ride). I’ll have to look for it but I’ll share its page here when I do.
Here it is! From The Imagineering Field Guide to Epcot, published in 2006. Apparently Laurie Newell & Alex Wright were also conceptual artists on the 02-current iteration of the ride. Atleast on the “Blast” finale scene.
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Also, for funsies, here’s the Honey, I Shrunk the Audience page from the same book. In all due seriousness though, reading that last sentence makes me laugh. Uhm, how exactly, did anything in that show connect to the rest of EPCOT as a park? Keep in mind, this is an inventor of the year awards ceremony that goes wrong when Dr. Wayne Salinski accidently shrinks the audience while other things go haywire and then finally get us back to size and things are back to normal. All this taking place within the world of the Honey I Shrunk franchise, a film playing in the Magic Eye Theatre within the Journey Into Imagination pavilion. (Despite what some documents might show, very bizarrely I might add, as being a “replacement attraction” to the Magic Eye Theatre, rather than as the same space with a replacement film playing in it, like it was during the 2 films prior.. Magic Journeys and Captain EO, but I digress). So yeah, not making much sense to me there… At that point it should’ve instead been placed somewhere in Disney’s MGM Studios by the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids playground. ‘That’ would’ve made a lot more sense theming wise back then but yeah, I guess it is what it is... it’s part of the park’s history. A 4D movie marketed/presented within the pavilion as the main attraction rather than an additional experience to the pavilion like the 2 films prior (which isn’t playing there anymore I should add) created a “Journey Into Imagination” that’s no longer a Journey Into Imagination but a bizarre tour of a Honey I Shrunk themed Sensory Testing Institute with Figment shoehorned in that makes no sense with a deceptive title trying to pass itself off as the same classic ride we remember with Figment & Dreamfinder when it isn’t at all. That’s ‘still’ there, as-is without addressing the blatantly obvious controversy it rightfully has had since ‘99. Even more obvious now with Honey, I Shrunk the Audience gone since ‘09. The definition of a bait and switch, the only attraction I know of in history that’s done this. lol!:
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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And say what you want about Captain EO’s thematic integrity, but atleast they never felt the need to change the queue ropes, signage, monorail spiels, the guest flow for that, to intentionally drop attendance numbers (according to David Koenig’s Realityland book) enough and use projected maintenance costs to change the genuinely great Journey Into Imagination ride next door the absolutely nonsensical/ridiculous way they did when that was around. At the end of the day though, regardless of my thoughts, had Honey, I Shrunk the Audience simply been treated as the separate experience it should’ve always been throughout its run, without interfering with the ride, the majority wouldn’t have had an issue with it being there & none of us would be having this discussion 23 years after the fact, as the classic Journey Into Imagination would still be there for us all to enjoy, beloved as always.
 
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Cmdr_Crimson

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had Honey, I Shrunk the Audience simply been treated as the seperate experience it should’ve always been throughout its run, without interfering with the ride, nobody would’ve had an issue with it being there & none of us would be having this discussion.
It was at Disneyland..And that one seemed more out of place with the mini Imagination Institute theme..
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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It was at Disneyland..And that one seemed more out of place with the mini Imagination Institute theme..
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Lol! Yeah, and funnily enough, it isnt playing there anymore either. And again, it’s like. ‘If’ it had the demand and they decided to play it again, maybe alternate between shows throughout the day that they’ve played there through the years; Magic Journeys, Captain EO and that at seperate times, aswell as an additional brand new show too, simply having the sign state the space as ‘The Magic Eye Theatre’ (as it did back in the day at Journey Into Imagination atleast), most of us wouldn’t care and we’d be fine with it. All it would do is help disperse capacity throughout the park better and give guests more variety of things to do and as long as it isn’t interfering with any of the rides we love nearby, nobody would have a problem with that.
As long as the original Journey Into Imagination ride & ImageWorks were brought back, tastefully enhanced, and genuinely don’t go anywhere anytime soon in the future, we’ll be all good.
 
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Cmdr_Crimson

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Lol! Yeah, and funnily enough, it isnt playing there anymore either. And again, it’s like. ‘If’ it had the demand and they decided to play it again, maybe alternate shows they’ve played there through the years, Magic Journeys, Captain EO and that at seperate times, maybe even an additional brand new show too, simply having the sign Magic Eye Theatre (as it did back in the day at Journey Into Imagination atleast), most of us wouldn’t care and be fine with it. All it would do is help disperse capacity throughout the park better and give guests more variety of things to do and as long as it isn’t interfering with any of the rides we love nearby, nobody would have a problem with that.
As long as the original Journey Into Imagination ride & ImageWorks were brought back, tastefully enhanced, and genuinely don’t go anywhere anytime soon in the future, we’ll all be good.
It's better than what we have the Disney+ pointless 3D Show of nothing.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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It's better than what we have the Disney+ pointless 3D Show of nothing.
Agreed. All shorts we all can watch on Disney + atm. But ultimately, I’d genuinely like to see Magic Journeys be presented in that space again. Not only did it actually fit in that space thematically but it hasn’t been seen in decades and would be great to see in its High-Definition/4K glory, the way it was meant to be seen.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Same can be said for the Makin’ Memories pre-show. Granted, it could be updated now with both old & new photographs of people (maybe it could be updated from time to time, maybe you could submit photos to it or it could use Magic Band PhotoPass photos?) & new spfx. But that was another great song & pre-show that should’ve never been taken out. Even without Kodak’s sponsorship. Taking photos at Disney and the memories made & kept never goes out of style.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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No, this is the source projections for JIIwF:

Just gonna say it, considering this basically covers most of the experience of this attraction that you’d have in person, but in better quality. (Since it’s literally most of this playing in sparsely decorated rooms full of office materials currently, that once were all fully & cohesively well thought out, kinetic, well-themed colorful rooms w elaborate, well-executed set design & audio-animatronics) Dead serious. They ought to just restore the ride to its original state now/incredibly soon. There’s zero point to keep it the way it is. And as I mentioned earlier, since the actual moving audio-animatronic figures are reused (or at the very least reused molds) from the original attraction (Sound Lab Figment w phone = Realm of Art Artist Figment w beret & jar of rainbows, Detour to Upside Down House Figment = OG Film Finale Figment, and Blast Finale Astronaut Figment = OG Transition from Performing Arts to Science & Technology Astronaut Figment). They could just refurbish them all, redress them, re-animate/program them, and put them in the correct show scenes/rooms they were in the original ride
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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Amazing find! This is literally the closest to source audio from Unisounds..😁

But that ending.....😱
Yeah.. but hey, considering Mission: Space isn’t all that popular either & Space 2020 covers the same theming & experience much better. Nothing should really stop them at this point from being able to have the similar looking moon be seen in its correct attraction, Horizons, rebuilt w tasteful enhancments. And of course, not be a Dr. Nigel Channing-ified version that makes no sense. lol
 

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