General Star Wars Discussion

[Epcotfan21]

So Disney said yes to bringing back Emperor Papaltine who wasn't alive, but couldn't see how Ben Solo could also not be dead?

 

[Phroobar]

So Disney said yes to bringing back Emperor Papaltine who wasn't alive, but couldn't see how Ben Solo could also not be dead?

No one really truly dies in sci fi.

They just....somehow....return.

 

[Disney Irish]

No one really truly dies in sci fi.

They just....somehow....return.

Or comics, or soaps, or horror, or......

Its a trope used in almost every genre.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Figures Disney would have a chance to grow on the only good thing from TROS and turn it down. Idiots.

 

[Screamface]

Way more intriguing than the possibility of a Rey movie.

 

[Phroobar]

Figures Disney would have a chance to grow on the only good thing from TROS and turn it down. Idiots.

It would be just bait and switch Rey anyway.

 

[Tha Realest]

Way more intriguing than the possibility of a Rey movie.

There’s *two* Rey movies in development.

 

[Baloo124]

No one really truly dies in sci fi.

They just....somehow....return.

Or comics, or soaps, or horror, or......

Its a trope used in almost every genre.

Unless you're a minor character of little significance to the plot.

I doubt we'll ever hear the line: "Somehow Porkins returned" in any SW project.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Good idea with bad execution

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There’s *two* Rey movies in development.

Yeah right

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If true…they made the right call

That was a dead end

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Figures Disney would have a chance to grow on the only good thing from TROS and turn it down. Idiots.

No sense in the “but but…” expansion of a disaster

Good to “let the past die” on the whole thing

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Also, I really didn’t wanna add anymore discourse to the whole “Disney should’ve made the Ben Solo movie from Steven Soderbergh over The Mandalorian and Grogu” argument but this time, it’s personal for me because of that movie now being unfairly attacked on because of fans angry they can’t get the movie they want anymore.

Hmm, kinda sounds similar to what happened when the Star Wars Prequels came out from 1999-2005 and they didn’t like the films because they didn’t get what they wanted and hated them to the point where they said “George Lucas raped my childhood.” Toxic Star Wars fans never learn and are unable to grow. How predictable.

Anyway, I’m sorry, but while I was initially disappointed hearing about this not happening, after thinking hard about it, I see Bob Iger’s point, albeit a SMALL point even if he was wrong about all the other bad he did (like the strikes), about not bringing back Ben Solo from the dead after The Rise of Skywalker when his body literally vanished into thin air and he became a ghost.

This isn’t like believable scenarios like Maul coming back after being cut in half with garbage legs and then robot legs in The Clone Wars (which George Lucas and Dave Filoni came up with), Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc Pit in The Book of Boba Fett (which already had precedent for not breaking lore as Filoni was quoted back in 2012 in an interview discussing Maul’s return in The Clone Wars saying “if you ask George, he’d say Boba survived the Sarlaac Pitt”), ARC clone trooper Echo becoming a cyborg in order to survive an explosion in The Clone Wars (which, again, was George Lucas’s plan with help from Dave Filoni), Ahsoka being pulled through time and space in the Word Between Worlds to avoid Vader killing her (which had ro happen by the will of the force), Cad Bane surviving his duel with Boba Fett in that unseen Clone Wars arc with a metal plate on his head in The Bad Batch, or Ventress being resurrected on Dathomir (after her death in the unseen Clone Wars Dark Disciple arc) by having her body be put in the Water of Life in Tales of the Underworld.

Hell, even this is more impossible than Palpatine returning so controversially in The Rise of Skywalker by dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew. And I think the divisive reception to that is why Bob Iger didn’t agree w/ making a film about an impossible Ben Solo resurrection.

This is the literal physical disappearance of a man fading into the Force.

There’s no way you resurrect an individual from this. There’s just not.

And if someone says to me “well Obi-Wan and Yoda became Force Ghosts after they died and Ben Solo didn’t so he could’ve just went into the World Between Worlds,” no, no, no, no. That’s also not how it works because if that were the case, then The Father of Mortis from The Clone Wars should have disappeared in the World Between Worlds when his body faded into the Force in the Mortis Trilogy’s finale.

And yet, that didn’t happen because if he was there, we would have seen him in that episode of the final season of Star Wars Rebels.

So, with all that evidence and logic to make my point, I just don’t see how you bring back Ben Solo after his sacrifice in Episode IX.

I respectfully and honestly just don’t.

P.S. Considering The Mandalorian on Disney+ has actually been more successful for Disney and Lucasfilm than any other Disney+ Star Wars series (w/ only average 12.5% drop in viewership from S2 to S3) and more successful than Iger and JJ’s crappy diminishing returns-fueled Star Wars sequel trilogy (Rian Johnson’s Last Jedi innocenct and BB-8 really being the only good character of that trilogy, in my opinion), as we saw with The Last Jedi dropping 36% from The Force Awakens because of JJ’s ty OT rehash that was The Force Awakens and people being so divided over Rian Johnson’s boldness with The Last Jedi that only led to The Rise of Skywalker being such a mess, which only further showed everyone was wrong to hate George Lucas’s wrongly maligned trilogy of Star Wars Prequels and how Grogu is actually a moneymaker that has made profits neither Rey nor Kylo Ren could make, I think the financial expert who has more experience running a company better than internet bullies with no degree in any of those fields knows what he’s doing and that “what he’s doing” is seeing that #TheMandalorianAndGrogu will be less divisive (unless you’re a slob film snob cinephile on Twitter), more fun, more adventurous, and far more of a sure bet at the box office than a movie of a resurrection of a character from a now-hated trilogy, that’s an abomination in doing what Simon Pegg had wrongly felt the prequel trilogy did to Star Wars, and that is none other than commit an exercise in utter infanticide on George Lucas’s baby, ever would be.

And these graphs here show that to be the truth.

 

[Phroobar]

Commas are not periods.

 

[Disney Irish]

Also, I really didn’t wanna add anymore discourse to the whole “Disney should’ve made the Ben Solo movie from Steven Soderbergh over The Mandalorian and Grogu” argument but this time, it’s personal for me because of that movie now being unfairly attacked on because of fans angry they can’t get the movie they want anymore.

Hmm, kinda sounds similar to what happened when the Star Wars Prequels came out from 1999-2005 and they didn’t like the films because they didn’t get what they wanted and hated them to the point where they said “George Lucas raped my childhood.” Toxic Star Wars fans never learn and are unable to grow. How predictable.

Anyway, I’m sorry, but while I was initially disappointed hearing about this not happening, after thinking hard about it, I see Bob Iger’s point, albeit a SMALL point even if he was wrong about all the other bad he did (like the strikes), about not bringing back Ben Solo from the dead after The Rise of Skywalker when his body literally vanished into thin air and he became a ghost.

This isn’t like believable scenarios like Maul coming back after being cut in half with garbage legs and then robot legs in The Clone Wars (which George Lucas and Dave Filoni came up with), Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc Pit in The Book of Boba Fett (which already had precedent for not breaking lore as Filoni was quoted back in 2012 in an interview discussing Maul’s return in The Clone Wars saying “if you ask George, he’d say Boba survived the Sarlaac Pitt”), ARC clone trooper Echo becoming a cyborg in order to survive an explosion in The Clone Wars (which, again, was George Lucas’s plan with help from Dave Filoni), Ahsoka being pulled through time and space in the Word Between Worlds to avoid Vader killing her (which had ro happen by the will of the force), Cad Bane surviving his duel with Boba Fett in that unseen Clone Wars arc with a metal plate on his head in The Bad Batch, or Ventress being resurrected on Dathomir (after her death in the unseen Clone Wars Dark Disciple arc) by having her body be put in the Water of Life in Tales of the Underworld.

Hell, even this is more impossible than Palpatine returning so controversially in The Rise of Skywalker by dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew. And I think the divisive reception to that is why Bob Iger didn’t agree w/ making a film about an impossible Ben Solo resurrection.

This is the literal physical disappearance of a man fading into the Force.

There’s no way you resurrect an individual from this. There’s just not.

And if someone says to me “well Obi-Wan and Yoda became Force Ghosts after they died and Ben Solo didn’t so he could’ve just went into the World Between Worlds,” no, no, no, no. That’s also not how it works because if that were the case, then The Father of Mortis from The Clone Wars should have disappeared in the World Between Worlds when his body faded into the Force in the Mortis Trilogy’s finale.

And yet, that didn’t happen because if he was there, we would have seen him in that episode of the final season of Star Wars Rebels.

So, with all that evidence and logic to make my point, I just don’t see how you bring back Ben Solo after his sacrifice in Episode IX.

I respectfully and honestly just don’t.

P.S. Considering The Mandalorian on Disney+ has actually been more successful for Disney and Lucasfilm than any other Disney+ Star Wars series (w/ only average 12.5% drop in viewership from S2 to S3) and more successful than Iger and JJ’s crappy diminishing returns-fueled Star Wars sequel trilogy (Rian Johnson’s Last Jedi innocenct and BB-8 really being the only good character of that trilogy, in my opinion), as we saw with The Last Jedi dropping 36% from The Force Awakens because of JJ’s ty OT rehash that was The Force Awakens and people being so divided over Rian Johnson’s boldness with The Last Jedi that only led to The Rise of Skywalker being such a mess, which only further showed everyone was wrong to hate George Lucas’s wrongly maligned trilogy of Star Wars Prequels and how Grogu is actually a moneymaker that has made profits neither Rey nor Kylo Ren could make, I think the financial expert who has more experience running a company better than internet bullies with no degree in any of those fields knows what he’s doing and that “what he’s doing” is seeing that #TheMandalorianAndGrogu will be less divisive (unless you’re a slob film snob cinephile on Twitter), more fun, more adventurous, and far more of a sure bet at the box office than a movie of a resurrection of a character from a now-hated trilogy, that’s an abomination in doing what Simon Pegg had wrongly felt the prequel trilogy did to Star Wars, and that is none other than commit an exercise in utter infanticide on George Lucas’s baby, ever would be.

And these graphs here show that to be the truth.

You know as much as I don't think its a good idea for many reasons, none of what you laid out prevents the character from coming back if Disney wanted it.

In fiction you can do anything, there is nothing preventing them from developing and crafting a story to make it work for him to come back. There is so much to the force dyad that still can be explored that maybe some untapped ability to manipulate it can bring him back. Heck you can tap the Palpatine well again and say that his force essence was somehow saved by Palpatine to keep the force dyad alive with Rey and Ben.

Any number of stories can be crafted to bring him back, Disney has chosen to move on and probably smartly.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Also, I really didn’t wanna add anymore discourse to the whole “Disney should’ve made the Ben Solo movie from Steven Soderbergh over The Mandalorian and Grogu” argument but this time, it’s personal for me because of that movie now being unfairly attacked on because of fans angry they can’t get the movie they want anymore.

Hmm, kinda sounds similar to what happened when the Star Wars Prequels came out from 1999-2005 and they didn’t like the films because they didn’t get what they wanted and hated them to the point where they said “George Lucas raped my childhood.” Toxic Star Wars fans never learn and are unable to grow. How predictable.

Anyway, I’m sorry, but while I was initially disappointed hearing about this not happening, after thinking hard about it, I see Bob Iger’s point, albeit a SMALL point even if he was wrong about all the other bad he did (like the strikes), about not bringing back Ben Solo from the dead after The Rise of Skywalker when his body literally vanished into thin air and he became a ghost.

This isn’t like believable scenarios like Maul coming back after being cut in half with garbage legs and then robot legs in The Clone Wars (which George Lucas and Dave Filoni came up with), Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc Pit in The Book of Boba Fett (which already had precedent for not breaking lore as Filoni was quoted back in 2012 in an interview discussing Maul’s return in The Clone Wars saying “if you ask George, he’d say Boba survived the Sarlaac Pitt”), ARC clone trooper Echo becoming a cyborg in order to survive an explosion in The Clone Wars (which, again, was George Lucas’s plan with help from Dave Filoni), Ahsoka being pulled through time and space in the Word Between Worlds to avoid Vader killing her (which had ro happen by the will of the force), Cad Bane surviving his duel with Boba Fett in that unseen Clone Wars arc with a metal plate on his head in The Bad Batch, or Ventress being resurrected on Dathomir (after her death in the unseen Clone Wars Dark Disciple arc) by having her body be put in the Water of Life in Tales of the Underworld.

Hell, even this is more impossible than Palpatine returning so controversially in The Rise of Skywalker by dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew. And I think the divisive reception to that is why Bob Iger didn’t agree w/ making a film about an impossible Ben Solo resurrection.

This is the literal physical disappearance of a man fading into the Force.

There’s no way you resurrect an individual from this. There’s just not.

And if someone says to me “well Obi-Wan and Yoda became Force Ghosts after they died and Ben Solo didn’t so he could’ve just went into the World Between Worlds,” no, no, no, no. That’s also not how it works because if that were the case, then The Father of Mortis from The Clone Wars should have disappeared in the World Between Worlds when his body faded into the Force in the Mortis Trilogy’s finale.

And yet, that didn’t happen because if he was there, we would have seen him in that episode of the final season of Star Wars Rebels.

So, with all that evidence and logic to make my point, I just don’t see how you bring back Ben Solo after his sacrifice in Episode IX.

I respectfully and honestly just don’t.

P.S. Considering The Mandalorian on Disney+ has actually been more successful for Disney and Lucasfilm than any other Disney+ Star Wars series (w/ only average 12.5% drop in viewership from S2 to S3) and more successful than Iger and JJ’s crappy diminishing returns-fueled Star Wars sequel trilogy (Rian Johnson’s Last Jedi innocenct and BB-8 really being the only good character of that trilogy, in my opinion), as we saw with The Last Jedi dropping 36% from The Force Awakens because of JJ’s ty OT rehash that was The Force Awakens and people being so divided over Rian Johnson’s boldness with The Last Jedi that only led to The Rise of Skywalker being such a mess, which only further showed everyone was wrong to hate George Lucas’s wrongly maligned trilogy of Star Wars Prequels and how Grogu is actually a moneymaker that has made profits neither Rey nor Kylo Ren could make, I think the financial expert who has more experience running a company better than internet bullies with no degree in any of those fields knows what he’s doing and that “what he’s doing” is seeing that #TheMandalorianAndGrogu will be less divisive (unless you’re a slob film snob cinephile on Twitter), more fun, more adventurous, and far more of a sure bet at the box office than a movie of a resurrection of a character from a now-hated trilogy, that’s an abomination in doing what Simon Pegg had wrongly felt the prequel trilogy did to Star Wars, and that is none other than commit an exercise in utter infanticide on George Lucas’s baby, ever would be.

And these graphs here show that to be the truth.

Nothing Disney does is “personal” to you, boss…

You can’t take it as an affront to your “new movie math” that doesn’t work or whatever podcast you try to sell it on

 

[networkpro]

Also, I really didn’t wanna add anymore discourse to the whole “Disney should’ve made the Ben Solo movie from Steven Soderbergh over The Mandalorian and Grogu” argument but this time, it’s personal for me because of that movie now being unfairly attacked on because of fans angry they can’t get the movie they want anymore.


So, with all that evidence and logic to make my point, I just don’t see how you bring back Ben Solo after his sacrifice in Episode IX.

I respectfully and honestly just don’t.

What a glorious run on sentence you constructed, but TLDR, didnt quote. Your outlook on life might be a bit better if you join George Lucas and just move on from Star Wars as Disney has its own ideas that follow nothing that came before.

 

[Disney Irish]

What a glorious run on sentence you constructed, but TLDR, didnt quote. Your outlook on life might be a bit better if you join George Lucas and just move on from Star Wars as Disney has its own ideas that follow nothing that came before.

This is what we call a poster who is having a stream of consciousness with no real point.