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[DrStarlander]

Like I said before, I think it’s more likely they build around what they have now and adjust in the future i.e cut into Boardwalk Pizza as opposed to building around what may or may not happen in 10-20 years. Unless Boardwalk Pizza needs to be removed or heavily modified for Coco then I could maybe see some preliminary work behind Boardwalk but I don’t see a bridge going up anytime soon.

I agree as I think the bridge will likely require grade changes to Disneyland Dr. as done at DTD, and that would seem expensive and disruptive for no imminent revenue-producing payoff.

Having said that, I can imagine when they do build the bridge, it being a two phase project where they re-route traffic through an east portion of the Simba lot while Disneyland Dr. is closed/disrupted. Once the bridge is done and Simba is no longer being used as the detour, then construction would start in Simba. But I'd expect those phases to follow each other immediately, not one happening years before the other.

 

[britain]

Like I said before, I think it’s more likely they build around what they have now and adjust in the future i.e cut into Boardwalk Pizza as opposed to building around what may or may not happen in 10-20 years. Unless Boardwalk Pizza needs to be removed or heavily modified for Coco then I could maybe see some preliminary work behind Boardwalk but I don’t see a bridge going up anytime soon.

This is the same company that could have torn down the Hungry Bear to make a path to their billion dollar Galaxy’s Edge, but instead kept it and cut a new path into the river space. I agree that they are unlikely to destroy anything in the garden restaurant area, but they may cut close to it. And that’s fine, because that’s where a lot of Disneyland charm comes from (creative fixes in tight places).

 

[Disney Irish]

I agree as I think the bridge will likely require grade changes to Disneyland Dr. as done at DTD, and that would seem expensive and disruptive for no imminent revenue-producing payoff.

Having said that, I can imagine when they do build the bridge, it being a two phase project where they re-route traffic through an east portion of the Simba lot while Disneyland Dr. is closed/disrupted. Once the bridge is done and Simbi is no longer being uses as the detour, then construction would start in Simba. But I'd expect those phases to follow each other immediately, not one happening years before the other.

We're getting off into the weeds again, but how long do you think they wait before heading across the street into Simba? We're already almost 5 years (since first announced) into a 30ish year plan, again time flies. At some point they have to get started on the preparation for making the bridge to go across into Simba (and the rest of the DLForward plots of land). No one is saying that it'll happen tomorrow and plop a bridge down immediately, but that as part of this next phase of projects that starts with Coco on this side of the Park they begin the preparation, yes. So I imagine that by the end of this decade when the EGW and Coco are up and running and Avatar is done or almost done they will move onto starting the bridge into Simba. So that by the start of the 2030s (only 4 years away now) they will begin that grading project and such that you mention (which I do agree with that'll happen), and by the mid-2030s (only 9-10 years from now) the bridge will be done and they start on the next phase of projects that will be going into Simba. This isn't some quick project that is happening overnight and Simba isn't going to be built out in the next 1-2 years. But it will begin within the next 5-10 years and that preparation needs to start pretty quick. And that starts with Coco and prepping the backstage and surrounding areas around Katella and Disneyland Dr.

I know you think they need to build out the current footprint entirely first, but I don't see why they can't do both. Why limit to just the existing footprint for the next 10-15 years when they can start to open things up WHILE they continue to build within the existing footprint. I know its hard to believe but Disney is capable of doing more than one project at a time.

 

[Disney Analyst]

This is the same company that could have torn down the Hungry Bear to make a path to their billion dollar Galaxy’s Edge, but instead kept it and cut a new path into the river space. I agree that they are unlikely to destroy anything in the garden restaurant area, but they may cut close to it. And that’s fine, because that’s where a lot of Disneyland charm comes from (creative fixes in tight places).

You can’t tear down a historic site like Hungry Bear

 

[Disney Irish]

You can’t tear down a historic site like Hungry Bear

Not now...

 

[DrStarlander]

We're getting off in the weeds again, but how long do you think they wait before heading across the street into Simba? We're already almost 5 years (since first announced) into a 30ish year plan, again time flies. At some point they have to get started on the preparation for making the bridge to go across into Simba (and the rest of the DLForward plots of land). No one is saying that it'll happen tomorrow and plop a bridge down immediately, but that as part of this next phase of projects that starts with Coco on this side of the Park they begin the preparation, yes. So I imagine that by the end of this decade when the EGW and Coco are up and running and Avatar is done or almost done they will move onto starting the bridge into Simba. So that by the start of the 2030s (only 4 years away now) they will begin that grading project and such that you mention (which I do agree with that'll happen), and by the mid-2030s (only 9-10 years from now) the bridge will be done and they start on the next phase of projects that will be going into Simba. This isn't some quick project that is happening overnight and Simba isn't going to be built out in the next 1-2 years. But it will begin within the next 5-10 years and that preparation needs to start pretty quick. And that starts with Coco and prepping the backstage and surrounding areas around Katella and Disneyland Dr.

I know you think they need to build out the current footprint entirely first, but I don't see why they can't do both. Why limit to just the existing footprint for the next 10-15 years when they can start to open things up WHILE they continue to build within the existing footprint. I know its hard to believe but Disney is capable of doing more than one project at a time.

I don't think it's an issue that Disney can't do more projects at the same time, I think it's a matter of pacing things out to maximize ROI. I think DCA has been under-built since opening and the surge going on now (Avengers, Coco, Avatar) which could be thought of as DCA 3.0 (or 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 respectively) is playing catchup (it's not healthy to be charging the same ticket price for both parks and the 17 million to 10 million attendance difference sends a message back to the company: that isn't working for guests).

But I don't think it's ideal to be opening new attractions boom-boom-boom 1-2 years apart. I don't think they maximize ROI that way. Each project should have a few years to be the focus of marketing, word-of-mouth and be the star. With boom-boom-boom you step on your own toes. When Coco opens, nobody will be talking about Infinity Defense. When Avatar opens nobody will be talking about Coco. People have short attention spans and focus on "newness."

Once this surge is done, I think there will be a pause on huge projects at DCA for the most part (kind of like the pause on big projects in the 13 years since 2.0). There may be some enhancements and one-off additions, perhaps one or two that are kind of substantial, for example they could put a Fantasyland style dark ride here (queue below, Peter Pan style suspended ride above). There are other tuck-in opportunities scattered here and there.

But I think Simba will open about 15-17 years after DCA 3.0, just like the current surge is opening 15-17 years after 2.0.

Part of this is looking at DLR holistically and I do think there's a strong possibility of a Tomorowland project in the 2030's. Again, not that they couldn't do projects at DL and DCA at the same time, but for marketing purposes it's better to space big expansions out at least 4 to 5 years (so a new Tomorrowland could open in 2035, say). I actually think there may be two Tomorrowland phases/projects, the first after closing Subs, Autopia, and Monorail (temporarily, for rerouting/shortening) would involve the spaghetti bowl. Then a second would involve core Tomorrowland. That could be 2034 and 2038 for example. Then attention swings back to DCA.

As far as how Simba will get built, you describe an approach starting in early 2030's to mid 2030s to prep for and get bridge done (if I'm understanding you right). I don't think it'll be a stretched out process. When they're ready, I think it will be as tight as they can make it. For example, Disneyland Dr. traffic will be rerouted through the east side of Simba, they'll grade, dig for and form abutments, build bridge, put Disneyland Dr. back together (in say 18 months) and then start on Simba and be done with that in say, 4 years. So 5 to 6 years total, perhaps starting in 2037 or 2038 (around when Tomorrowland concludes) and opening between 2042 to 2044.

This is all just my speculation of how I personanly see things playing out, addressing your initial question. But who knows, Disney is unpredictable!

 

[mickEblu]

I don't think it's an issue that Disney can't do more projects at the same time, I think it's a matter of pacing things out to maximize ROI. I think DCA has been under-built since opening and the surge going on now (Avengers, Coco, Avatar) which could be thought of as DCA 3.0 (or 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 respectively) is playing catchup (it's not healthy to be charging the same ticket price for both parks and the 17 million to 10 million attendance difference sends a message back to the company: that isn't working for guests).

But I don't think it's ideal to be opening new attractions boom-boom-boom 1-2 years apart. I don't think they maximize ROI that way. Each project should have a few years to be the focus of marketing, word-of-mouth and be the star. With boom-boom-boom you step on your own toes. When Coco opens, nobody will be talking about Infinity Defense. When Avatar opens nobody will be talking about Coco. People have short attention spans and focus on "newness."

Once this surge is done, I think there will be a pause on huge projects at DCA for the most part (kind of like the pause on big projects in the 13 years since 2.0). There may be some enhancements and one-off additions, perhaps one or two that are kind of substantial, for example they could put a Fantasyland style dark ride here (queue below, Peter Pan style suspended ride above). There are other tuck-in opportunities scattered here and there.
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But I think Simba will open about 15-17 years after DCA 3.0, just like the current surge is opening 15-17 years after 2.0.

Part of this is looking at DLR holistically and I do think there's a strong possibility of a Tomorowland project in the 2030's. Again, not that they couldn't do projects at DL and DCA at the same time, but for marketing purposes it's better to space big expansions out at least 4 to 5 years (so a new Tomorrowland could open in 2035, say). I actually think there may be two Tomorrowland phases/projects, the first after closing Subs, Autopia, and Monorail (temporarily, for rerouting/shortening) would involve the spaghetti bowl. Then a second would involve core Tomorrowland. That could be 2034 and 2038 for example. Then attention swings back to DCA.

As far as how Simba will get built, you describe an approach starting in early 2030's to mid 2030s to prep for and get bridge done (if I'm understanding you right). I don't think it'll be a stretched out process. When they're ready, I think it will be as tight as they can make it. For example, Disneyland Dr. traffic will be rerouted through the east side of Simba, they'll grade, dig for and form abutments, build bridge, put Disneyland Dr. back together (in say 18 months) and then start on Simba and be done with that in say, 4 years. So 5 to 6 years total, perhaps starting in 2037 or 2038 (around when Tomorrowland concludes) and opening between 2042 to 2044.

This is all just my speculation of how I personanly see things playing out, addressing your initial question. But who knows, Disney is unpredictable!

I think you are in the right track here. One thing I would add is that I’m even open to the possibility that the Simba lot never sees any attractions. Or maybe not the whole plot. I believe that would be a possibility if they decide to move forward with a third gate. Or it could be decades after the third gate, DL is built out and Tomorrowland is addressed. Suddenly Simba might be more attractive for more DVC/ hotels/ shopping and restaurants.

 

[DrStarlander]

I think you are in the right track here. One thing I would add is that I’m even open to the possibility that the Simba lot never sees any attractions. Or maybe not the whole plot. I believe that would be a possibility if they decide to move forward with a third gate. Or it could be decades after the third gate, DL is built out and Tomorrowland is addressed. Suddenly Simba might be more attractive for more DVC/ hotels/ shopping and restaurants.

As much as I personally would rather it be theme park expansion, what you're describing is a very realistic possibility. I think they can wait on that decision for ten years and see what impact their current projects have on attendance.

 

[chadwpalm]

I think you are in the right track here. One thing I would add is that I’m even open to the possibility that the Simba lot never sees any attractions. Or maybe not the whole plot. I believe that would be a possibility if they decide to move forward with a third gate. Or it could be decades after the third gate, DL is built out and Tomorrowland is addressed. Suddenly Simba might be more attractive for more DVC/ hotels/ shopping and restaurants.

Yeah, just because they showed a possible scenario with what they could do with the Simba lot, it was never technically promised. Disneyland Forward is first and foremost a rezoning deal. It just allows them to do what they want with that land without zoning restrictions. There are no absolutes as to what they will do there.

 

[mickEblu]

As much as I personally would rather it be theme park expansion, what you're describing is a very realistic possibility. I think they can wait on that decision for ten years and see what impact their current projects have on attendance.

On another note we’ve seen how far they are willing to go to use backstage areas for park expansion. I might be going way far into the future now but who’s to say they don’t use a chunk of downtown Disney space for DL expansion in the future? Maybe the new Downtown Disney starts at Centrico or Hell over by the Monorail station and the shopping district goes from there to the Simba lot with a new hotel. The land nearest to the park will always be most attractive as theme park space. Decades from now when people have been on the new Tomorrowland, Frozen rides and DCA rides 1,000 times that may be an option.

The way I look at is Disney will never have that much space in Anaheim again so Toy Story has to be a theme park but there’s not enough space to to have a hotel attached. That would need to go at the Garden Walk or behind Toy Story if they buy out those apartments and more land. Orrr on the Simba Lot. Essentially I think they “switch” their plans for Toy Story and Simba lot. I put “switch” in quotations because that may have been their plan all along.

 

[chadwpalm]

To avoid crowd congestion, wouldn't it make more sense to demo the Paradise pizza and pasta eatery and have that spot be the bridge to Simba?

You need to look at Google maps for your answer here. I've gone through the exercise once already a while back, but don't feel like trying to find it again.

The Pixar Place hotel is directly across the street from where Paradise Garden Grill and Boardwalk Pizza & Pasta is:

If the bridge over Disneyland Dr. is at grade like the DTD bridge north of it is, then it would have to be south of that blue line since there is a driveway to come out of the hotel drop off where my red arrow is. Depending on how steep they can make the grade of the road going under the bridge, it would have to be several yards south of the blue line.

The Coco concept art showed the Incredicoaster on the left of the image to the entrance to the Coco area.

That leads me to believe, like I'm showing with the cyan arrows, that guests will walk through what is now the backstage/parade gate area and diverge to either cross the bridge or keep going south toward Coco where I indicate the Coco entry around the purple lines.

The bridge cannot be north of the blue line or it will go right into the hotel. I also believe the bridge will be at grade because it would be easiest for accessibility and not having people in wheelchairs have to go up and back down and grades.

 

[mickEblu]

You need to look at Google maps for your answer here. I've gone through the exercise once already a while back, but don't feel like trying to find it again.

The Pixar Place hotel is directly across the street from where Paradise Garden Grill and Boardwalk Pizza & Pasta is:

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If the bridge over Disneyland Dr. is at grade like the DTD bridge north of it is, then it would have to be south of that blue line since there is a driveway to come out of the hotel drop off where my red arrow is. Depending on how steep they can make the grade of the road going under the bridge, it would have to be several yards south of the blue line.

The Coco concept art showed the Incredicoaster on the left of the image to the entrance to the Coco area.

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That leads me to believe, like I'm showing with the cyan arrows, that guests will walk through what is now the backstage/parade gate area and diverge to either cross the bridge or keep going south toward Coco where I indicate the Coco entry around the purple lines.

The bridge cannot be north of the blue line or it will go right into the hotel. I also believe the bridge will be at grade because it would be easiest for accessibility and not having people in wheelchairs have to go up and back down and grades.

RIP Aerial Hidden Mickey.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't think it's an issue that Disney can't do more projects at the same time, I think it's a matter of pacing things out to maximize ROI. I think DCA has been under-built since opening and the surge going on now (Avengers, Coco, Avatar) which could be thought of as DCA 3.0 (or 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 respectively) is playing catchup (it's not healthy to be charging the same ticket price for both parks and the 17 million to 10 million attendance difference sends a message back to the company: that isn't working for guests).

Now that is a matter of perspective I suppose. There was a poll thread recently done where the majority here said that DCA was either already there or one to two attractions away from being a full day Park.

But I don't think it's ideal to be opening new attractions boom-boom-boom 1-2 years apart. I don't think they maximize ROI that way. Each project should have a few years to be the focus of marketing, word-of-mouth and be the star. With boom-boom-boom you step on your own toes. When Coco opens, nobody will be talking about Infinity Defense. When Avatar opens nobody will be talking about Coco. People have short attention spans and focus on "newness."

Except this new attraction every couple years cycle is what many guests want and almost expect, ie they want a reason to come back to see what is "new". Heck you have posters here like Mick who are giving up their MKs because of many reasons including (and I'm paraphrasing) the Park seeming stagnant with nothing new to experience for the price being paid. How many would keep their MKs or come more often if there was something new being introduced more regularly rather than every 15 or 20 years as you're appearing to suggest, and that starts with a new attraction opening more regularly.

Once this surge is done, I think there will be a pause on huge projects at DCA for the most part (kind of like the pause on big projects in the 13 years since 2.0).

Many say its that pause they took between DCA2.0 and the recent projects that is what has caused DCA to become a "less than" Park to many and why its need to play "catch-up". Had they continued with projects on a cycle without a long pause it would have likely gotten some of the stuff you think it needs like another coaster, dark rides, etc.

There may be some enhancements and one-off additions, perhaps one or two that are kind of substantial, for example they could put a Fantasyland style dark ride here (queue below, Peter Pan style suspended ride above). There are other tuck-in opportunities scattered here and there.
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Again no reason they can't do more than one project at a time. Also I think that area inside the Incredicoaster was originally set for a spinner, so I don't think its big enough for a full dark ride.

But I think Simba will open about 15-17 years after DCA 3.0, just like the current surge is opening 15-17 years after 2.0.

Part of this is looking at DLR holistically and I do think there's a strong possibility of a Tomorowland project in the 2030's. Again, not that they couldn't do projects at DL and DCA at the same time, but for marketing purposes it's better to space big expansions out at least 4 to 5 years (so a new Tomorrowland could open in 2035, say). I actually think there may be two Tomorrowland phases/projects, the first after closing Subs, Autopia, and Monorail (temporarily, for rerouting/shortening) would involve the spaghetti bowl. Then a second would involve core Tomorrowland. That could be 2034 and 2038 for example. Then attention swings back to DCA.

As far as how Simba will get built, you describe an approach starting in early 2030's to mid 2030s to prep for and get bridge done (if I'm understanding you right). I don't think it'll be a stretched out process. When they're ready, I think it will be as tight as they can make it. For example, Disneyland Dr. traffic will be rerouted through the east side of Simba, they'll grade, dig for and form abutments, build bridge, put Disneyland Dr. back together (in say 18 months) and then start on Simba and be done with that in say, 4 years. So 5 to 6 years total, perhaps starting in 2037 or 2038 (around when Tomorrowland concludes) and opening between 2042 to 2044.

This is all just my speculation of how I personanly see things playing out, addressing your initial question. But who knows, Disney is unpredictable!

I just can't see them waiting until the mid-2040s or almost 2050s (based on your 15-17 years after what you're calling DCA3.0 is done which would be done between 2030-2032) just to get started on moving into Simba.

Also again I don't see why they can't do multiple projects at one time. A ROI approach doesn't mean you have to pause everything else when a new attraction opens. If you stagger construction starts and use an average of 3 year construction cycles per project you can have a new attraction being opened every couple years. This gives at least full 2 years for the current one to be the "star" and media focus before the next one opens. And you can ping-pong back and forth between DL and DCA with each of these openings.

Also my idea about prep starts now with Coco, that they will begin prepping the backstage and area around Katella and Disneyland Dr for the eventual bridge as part of Coco. The bridge itself in this scenario would begin construction after Avatar opens somewhere in 2030-2032 and be finished ~2 years later. Which leads to starting Simba somewhere in the 2033-2035 time frame.

 

[Disney Irish]

You need to look at Google maps for your answer here. I've gone through the exercise once already a while back, but don't feel like trying to find it again.

The Pixar Place hotel is directly across the street from where Paradise Garden Grill and Boardwalk Pizza & Pasta is:

View attachment 888133

If the bridge over Disneyland Dr. is at grade like the DTD bridge north of it is, then it would have to be south of that blue line since there is a driveway to come out of the hotel drop off where my red arrow is. Depending on how steep they can make the grade of the road going under the bridge, it would have to be several yards south of the blue line.

The Coco concept art showed the Incredicoaster on the left of the image to the entrance to the Coco area.

View attachment 888134

That leads me to believe, like I'm showing with the cyan arrows, that guests will walk through what is now the backstage/parade gate area and diverge to either cross the bridge or keep going south toward Coco where I indicate the Coco entry around the purple lines.

The bridge cannot be north of the blue line or it will go right into the hotel. I also believe the bridge will be at grade because it would be easiest for accessibility and not having people in wheelchairs have to go up and back down and grades.

And to add to that I wouldn't be surprised if as part of Coco construction they move that service road underground similar to the one on Harbor. Heck I wouldn't even be surprised if they found a way to put the parade storage underground as well and sort of have a mini-utilidoors area in that section.

 

[mickEblu]

Except this new attraction every couple years cycle is what many guests want and almost expect, ie they want a reason to come back to see what is "new". Heck you have posters here like Mick who are giving up their MKs because of many reasons including (and I'm paraphrasing) the Park seeming stagnant with nothing new to experience for the price being paid.

It’s a factor in taking break but not the main one. The main reason is to switch it up and also use that money towards a vacation. Probably also with Disney lol. But at least it’ll be somewhere new. It just also happens to be a year that makes a lot of sense to skip for multiple reasons IMO. So that lines up nicely for me.

Some visits have gotten stale recently. I always say that nothing new they build will be better than what’s already there. The resort has enough to keep my business as a MK holder. Of course the new stuff helps. It’s the drive, traffic, crowds - that’s the stuff that can get old.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s a factor in taking break but not the main one. The main reason is to switch it up and also use that money towards a vacation. Probably also with Disney lol. But at least it’ll be somewhere new. It just also happens to be a year that makes a lot of sense to skip for multiple reasons IMO. So that lines up nicely for me.

Some visits have gotten stale recently. I always say that nothing new they build will be better than what’s already there. The resort has enough to keep my business as a MK holder. Of course the new stuff helps. It’s the drive, traffic, crowds - that’s the stuff that can get old.

Its not just you, others (before the thread was purged) mentioned similar things about wanting to wait until there was something new to experience. Its also a sentiment I've seen on social media too, that many feel the need to skip DLR because they don't have anything new.

 

[mickEblu]

Its not just you, others (before the thread was purged) mentioned similar things about wanting to wait until there was something new to experience. Its also a sentiment I've seen on social media too, that many feel the need to skip DLR because they don't have anything new.

I don’t doubt it. There are a lot of reasons why skipping a year or two at DLR would make sense to some people. If you re already on the fence for whatever reason, just experienced the 70th and know the new rides are couple years away…. That’s when I think the high prices start to becomes a factor. Not that one is necessarily priced out but you’ve surpassed what one is willing to pay for the product at that point in time. It’s perhaps not the “no brainer” it was 2-5 years ago.

 

[Disney Irish]

RIP Aerial Hidden Mickey.

Yes, it was mentioned in a few places (even here and a Brickey video (your favorite guy I know lol) that as part of the permit for Coco they were redoing that whole section including the sidewalks.

As an example -

"The construction will be “focused on a backstage area bound by Disneyland Drive, Katella Avenue, Downtown Drive, and the backside of the Incredicoaster.” Early parts of the construction will take place along Disneyland Drive, and it will impact sidewalks, street curbs, gutters, trees, landscaping, fencing, and more."

Disney Files NEW Permit for First Ever 'Coco' Attraction | the disney food blog

We finally have an update on the new "Coco" attraction in Disney California Adventure!

www.disneyfoodblog.com

This is the prep work I'm talking about.

I don’t doubt it. There are a lot of reasons why skipping a year or two at DLR would make sense to some people. If you re already on the fence for whatever reason, just experienced the 70th and know the new rides are couple years away…. That’s when I think the high prices start to becomes a factor. Not that one is necessarily priced out but you’ve surpassed what one is willing to pay for the product at that point in time. It’s perhaps not the “no brainer” it was a 2-5 years ago.

Agreed, and how many wouldn't skip if there was something new opening every couple years, that is the point. And something that I think Disney knows which is why they are doing all these projects back-to-back and don't appear to be stopping.

 

[mickEblu]

Yes, it was mentioned in a few places (even here and a Brickey video (your favorite guy I know lol) that as part of the permit for Coco they were redoing that whole section including the sidewalks.

As an example -

"The construction will be “focused on a backstage area bound by Disneyland Drive, Katella Avenue, Downtown Drive, and the backside of the Incredicoaster.” Early parts of the construction will take place along Disneyland Drive, and it will impact sidewalks, street curbs, gutters, trees, landscaping, fencing, and more."

Disney Files NEW Permit for First Ever 'Coco' Attraction | the disney food blog

We finally have an update on the new "Coco" attraction in Disney California Adventure!

www.disneyfoodblog.com

This is the prep work I'm talking about.


Agreed, and how many wouldn't skip if there was something new opening every couple years, that is the point. And something that I think Disney knows which is why they are doing all these projects back-to-back and don't appear to be stopping.

Hahah yea I’ve known the aerial Mickey is a goner. What kind of newbie do you think you’re talking to? lol. I consume so much Disney news and rumors through so many outlets that it’s nearly impossible for anyone not on the inside to know something sooner than me by more than a few minutes up to an hour depending on what I’m doing.

Yea obviously new stuff on the horizon would keep more people renewing. I was kind of on the fence last year and renewed for the 70th. This year there is no such motivation.

 

[Disney Irish]

Hahah yea I’ve known the aerial Mickey is a goner. What kind of newbie do you think you’re talking to? lol. I consume so much Disney news and rumors through so many outlets that it’s nearly impossible for anyone not on the inside to know something sooner than me by more than a few minutes up to an hour depending on what I’m doing.

Lol, I don't think you're a newbie obviously. But I didn't know if you remembered it was part of the Coco permits that is starting soon. Because its clear the good Dr here doesn't remember, as this is the assumed prep work for the eventual bridge over to Simba. So this isn't happening in 5, 10, or even 15 years from now, its happening now now.

This is why I don't believe they are waiting until the 2040s or 2050s as the Dr believes before they move into Simba. This is ground work for a what appears to be a less than 10 year plan to move into that plot of land. Now what they do once they get there is anyone's guess, but its happening.

Yea obviously new stuff on the horizon would keep more people renewing. I was kind of on the fence last year and renewed for the 70th. This year there is no such motivation.

Yep understood.