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Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

mickEblu

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There's a lot of variation in structural containment for indoor coasters, including the coaster itself and queue. There's no single approach when you start looking across not only Disney Parks but other parks as well. You find circular/conical buildings, single rectangle footprints, multi-rectangles/complex shapes, even spherical. They could float a massive coaster show building right over a busy walkway or other buildings.
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CanCan Coaster, Europa Park

Yeah I find it highly unlikely that they can’t find a way to get a coaster on a plot the size of the Simba lot. While maximizing space is important it’s just part of the puzzle. It’s about maximizing space while also offering new attractions that move the needle or that are unique to the resort. If it was just about maximizing space they could just fill the expansion pads with tiny simulators and flat rides. I mean look at Galaxies Edge. 14 acres for two rides.
 

TheDisneyParksfanC8

Well-Known Member
Yeah I find it highly unlikely that they can’t find a way to get a coaster on a plot the size of the Simba lot. While maximizing space is important it’s just part of the puzzle. It’s about maximizing space while also offering new attractions that move the needle or that are unique to the resort. If it was just about maximizing space they could just fill the expansion pads with tiny simulators and flat rides. I mean look at Galaxies Edge. 14 acres for two rides.
Who's to say they could do both a trackless dark ride and indoor coaster in the Simba lot buildout.
 

TheDisneyParksfanC8

Well-Known Member
Could or couldn’t?
Both a trackless dark ride and indoor coaster could be possibilities for Simba. But there is the matter of order. The first phase of Simba would have to be a more catch all theme area like Disney Animation proper with no Pixar(and lean heavy into updatable attractions) since it would be connected to the bridge to be built in the paradise gardens area. In that type of area, a trackless ride makes more sense. but for phases 2-3 of Simba, an indoor coaster could be feasible.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
Who's to say they could do both a trackless dark ride and indoor coaster in the Simba lot buildout.
There's room on Simba for four 80,000 sq. ft. attraction show buildings (around the perimeter, roughly) and 300,000 sq. ft. of outdoor themed "land" space (in the donut hole) about the size of Main St., plus utility roads, buffers, etc. That could be broken up into two or even three smaller outdoor spaces if they pursue multiple themes, say.

Easily one of the show buildings could be as tall as Cosmic Rewind, though its position on the property is dictated by the Anaheim plan (e.g., moved closer to Pixar Place Hotel than neighboring streets). Any of the show buildings could be two or three smaller attractions instead (of the Pooh/Mystic Manor scale).

So, there's space over there for 4-6 attractions across two, maybe three themes. Given this may not happen until the 2040s though, there's a question (in my mind) of whether they also demo Pixar Place Hotel (which will be around 60 years old) and redevelop a new integrated hotel themed with these projects. That would provide more flexibility on the land-use too. I'd say it's unlikely as Disney as famously frugal (have they ever demo'd a hotel?) but they have demo'd quite a few buildings in Downtown Disney and as part of their global theme park projects lately.
 

TheDisneyParksfanC8

Well-Known Member
There's room on Simba for four 80,000 sq. ft. attraction show buildings (around the perimeter, roughly) and 300,000 sq. ft. of outdoor themed "land" space (in the donut hole) about the size of Main St., plus utility roads, buffers, etc. That could be broken up into two or even three smaller outdoor spaces if they pursue multiple themes, say.

Easily one of the show buildings could be as tall as Cosmic Rewind, though its position on the property is dictated by the Anaheim plan (e.g., moved closer to Pixar Place Hotel than neighboring streets). Any of the show buildings could be two or three smaller attractions instead (of the Pooh/Mystic Manor scale).

So, there's space over there for 4-6 attractions across two, maybe three themes. Given this may not happen until the 2040s though, there's a question (in my mind) of whether they also demo Pixar Place Hotel (which will be around 60 years old) and redevelop a new integrated hotel themed with these projects. That would provide more flexibility on the land-use too. I'd say it's unlikely as Disney as famously frugal (have they ever demo'd a hotel?) but they have demo'd quite a few buildings in Downtown Disney and as part of their global theme park projects lately.
The EGW is key to the Simba lot going for DCA expansion. The EGW will in all likelihood be ready for LA2028. My theory is the first phase of Simba will be announced at D23 2028 since any new plan for TL seems still stuck in development hell.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
There's room on Simba for four 80,000 sq. ft. attraction show buildings (around the perimeter, roughly) and 300,000 sq. ft. of outdoor themed "land" space (in the donut hole) about the size of Main St., plus utility roads, buffers, etc. That could be broken up into two or even three smaller outdoor spaces if they pursue multiple themes, say.

Easily one of the show buildings could be as tall as Cosmic Rewind, though its position on the property is dictated by the Anaheim plan (e.g., moved closer to Pixar Place Hotel than neighboring streets). Any of the show buildings could be two or three smaller attractions instead (of the Pooh/Mystic Manor scale).

So, there's space over there for 4-6 attractions across two, maybe three themes. Given this may not happen until the 2040s though, there's a question (in my mind) of whether they also demo Pixar Place Hotel (which will be around 60 years old) and redevelop a new integrated hotel themed with these projects. That would provide more flexibility on the land-use too. I'd say it's unlikely as Disney as famously frugal (have they ever demo'd a hotel?) but they have demo'd quite a few buildings in Downtown Disney and as part of their global theme park projects lately.
I honestly don't see any reason why they would need to wait until the 2040s (15+ years) until they move into Simba and the rest of the DLForward plots. Many think that as part of the Coco construction they will be building the bridge over to Simba. And that wouldn't be done already if they weren't ready to move into Simba as well.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I honestly don't see any reason why they would need to wait until the 2040s (15+ years) until they move into Simba and the rest of the DLForward plots. Many think that as part of the Coco construction they will be building the bridge over to Simba. And that wouldn't be done already if they weren't ready to move into Simba as well.

Wow when he said 2040’s in my mind that was like 40 years away. Forgot it’s 2025 and that’s only 15 years away
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
I don't know how old you are but I can tell you as you continue to get older time seems to go faster. I mean we're already almost done with 2025, and before you know it we'll be in the 2030s.
In my 50s. I agree about the sense of time going by. I think the difference being a theme park fan now is having so much discussion and dribbles of information on a daily basis about an upcoming project. It makes time crawl. Years/decades ago, you'd hear about a project and then other than seeing the construction with your own eyes, there wasn't much of any public info for years, until it opened. It was a different experience being a parks fan.

When I was a kid, I'd write letters to WED Enterprises asking them about upcoming projects and they'd send me a nice typed letter back with a press release and other material some secretary put in the envelope. That's how I got info!

EDIT: For fun, I dug in the garage to find the letters. In my memory I figured my inquiries were a nuisance but I was happy to see in the third paragraph Betsy told me to contact her again the next year and she'd send me the newest Disney annual report. The good old days!
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
In my 50s. I agree about the sense of time going by. I think the difference being a theme park fan now is having so much discussion and dribbles of information on a daily basis about an upcoming project. It makes time crawl. Years/decades ago, you'd hear about a project and then other than seeing the construction with your own eyes, there wasn't much of any public info for years, until it opened. It was a different experience being a parks fan.

When I was a kid, I'd write letters to WED Enterprises asking them about upcoming projects and they'd send me a nice typed letter back with a press release and other material some secretary put in the envelope. That's how I got info!
Yeah when discussing it daily here it can seem like its a long time. But I don't know about you, even that seems to go faster as time goes on. Seems like just yesterday we saw this Avengers project start with dirt moving and now its almost ready to have a facade put on the buildings shell and it'll be blocked from view.
 

chadwpalm

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Exactly. Hard to believe DCA 2.0/Cars Land opened 13 years ago! Time goes so slow before something opens, and so fast after.

Mission Breakout: 8 years
Pixar Pier: 7 years
Galaxy's Edge: 6 years
Avenger's Campus: 4 years
Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway: 2.75 years
San Fronsokyo Square: 2 years
Tiana's Bayou Adventure: A month away from an entire year

Yes, time flies.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Mission Breakout: 8 years
Pixar Pier: 7 years
Galaxy's Edge: 6 years
Avenger's Campus: 4 years
Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway: 2.75 years
San Fronsokyo Square: 2 years
Tiana's Bayou Adventure: A month away from an entire year

Yes, time flies.


Hard to believe the only things on this list that ended up meeting expectations are ROTR (only after it grew on me) and certain elements of GE. I guess you could throw in San Fransokyo Square since there were no expectations. I could do without the cheesy hero posters though.
 

TheDisneyParksfanC8

Well-Known Member
I honestly don't see any reason why they would need to wait until the 2040s (15+ years) until they move into Simba and the rest of the DLForward plots. Many think that as part of the Coco construction they will be building the bridge over to Simba. And that wouldn't be done already if they weren't ready to move into Simba as well.
To avoid crowd congestion, wouldn't it make more sense to demo the Paradise pizza and pasta eatery and have that spot be the bridge to Simba?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
To avoid crowd congestion, wouldn't it make more sense to demo the Paradise pizza and pasta eatery and have that spot be the bridge to Simba?
Obviously we'll see as time goes one, but the concept art for Coco leads one to believe that Boardwalk Pizza stays. So not necessarily means they get rid of it for congestion reasons, it all depends on how big they make the bridge on the other side of it and how they orient it in relation to the rest of the area.

The assumption is that Coco won't begin immediately at the current parade gate, but rather begin inward a bit with a path heading to the left. Leaving the rest of space for guest flow to head to the right over the bridge.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Like I said before, I think it’s more likely they build around what they have now and adjust in the future i.e cut into Boardwalk Pizza as opposed to building around what may or may not happen in 10-20 years. Unless Boardwalk Pizza needs to be removed or heavily modified for Coco then I could maybe see some preliminary work behind Boardwalk but I don’t see a bridge going up anytime soon.
 
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