Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

[Disney Irish]

"As long as you understand"? Or else what? Why do you care what I "understand" or not?

I care because others read this thread. And with so many throwing their ideas around it can become confusing to many on what is really part of the project and what is not.

Someone posted construction photos and you brought up attraction expansion and tagged me....then you're going to call me out for being off topic? Your commitment to conflict is ridiculous

There is no conflict, I was just tagging you to finish out our conversation from last week based on these latest photos. If you still want to believe there is still enough space for a coaster back there more power to you. To me it doesn’t look like it and I already said why. If you want to read conflict into that, well than that is on you.

 

[Professortango1]

Why can’t you fly your house from Grizzly Peak to South America? They can come up with a million different stories to support that and tie it in with Russell’s (had to look that up) Wilderness explorer/ Boy Scout angle. And why would Kevin and Doug need to be excluded from this attraction?

I don't think they should be excluded. But Kevin lives in South America. And South America/Up don't have much to do with the California Redwoods. Unless I'm missing some obvious connection of Yosemite and Paradise Falls beyond both being natural wonders.

 

[mickEblu]

I don't think they should be excluded. But Kevin lives in South America. And South America/Up don't have much to do with the California Redwoods. Unless I'm missing some obvious connection of Yosemite and Paradise Falls beyond both being natural wonders.

You board Carls house that’s currently located in Grizzly Peak where Kevin is current located for (insert reason). You take off from Grizzly Peak to go back to South America/ Paradise Falls for (insert reason).

 

[MisterPenguin]

Soarin' UP!

 

[Professortango1]

You board Carls house that’s currently located in Grizzly Peak where Kevin is current located for (insert reason). You take off from Grizzly Peak to go back to South America/ Paradise Falls for (insert reason).

Seems pretty convoluted and ham-fisted.

 

[mickEblu]

Seems pretty convoluted and ham-fisted.

So in your view if we ever get an Up ride the starting point for the ride needs to be Oakland California? Can't wait for that land!

 

[coffeefan]

You board Iron Man's jet, who's currently visiting Grizzly Peak where Black Panther is currently located for (insert reason). You take off from Grizzly Peak to go back to Wakanda for (insert reason).

Whatever it takes to get a better attraction in that land. But it is a streeetch.

 

[DrStarlander]

So in your view if we ever get an Up ride the starting point for the ride needs to be Oakland California? Can't wait for that land!

Hear me out...

 

[Disney Irish]

So in your view if we ever get an Up ride the starting point for the ride needs to be Oakland California? Can't wait for that land!

In all fairness what city Carl's house is originally located is never said, so it doesn't mean its Oakland (Emeryville technically) just because it was a Pixar movie. One of the houses used for inspiration was actually Edith Macefield's house in Seattle.

So really his house could be anywhere.

 

[mickEblu]

In all fairness what city Carl's house is originally located is never said, so it doesn't mean its Oakland (Emeryville technically) just because it was a Pixar movie. One of the houses used for inspiration was actually Edith Macefield's house in Seattle.

So really his house could be anywhere.

Apparently anywhere except Grizzly Peak.

My point (which you understand but love to get me to move my fingers) is that a land based on generic suburbia/ generic city isn't that exciting.

 

[Disney Irish]

Apparently anywhere except Grizzly Peak.

My point (which you understand but love to get me to move my fingers) is that a land based on generic suburbia/ generic city isn't that exciting.

Honestly as I'm not really tied to the "California" of DCA as some here are anyways, so I don't really care if you stick it in Grizzly Peak and just change the story to make it "fit". Call it "Carl's Vacation" and have him plopping the house in Grizzly Peak with some story of stuff that happens while here and the end has him going back to Paradise Falls. Done, now it fits and can go over Redwood Creek.

Besides why are you and Prof talking about this in the AC E-Ticket thread anyways lol.

 

[Professortango1]

So in your view if we ever get an Up ride the starting point for the ride needs to be Oakland California? Can't wait for that land!

Strawman argument? Disney is developing an Up-based attraction for the new modern Adventureland model. That works for that park. I also said it would work within Pixar Pier. I could see an Up attraction fitting into Epcot's The Land Pavillion. I could see an Up attraction working at Tropical Americas in Animal Kingdom. I just don't see Up fitting (without a lot of straining and shoe-horning) into the California Redwoods. It makes as much sense as putting an Up ride in Radiator Springs or Fantasyland. Sure, you could argue some thing to make it work (Peter Quill visited Epcot), but it's not a good fit.

 

[mickEblu]

Strawman argument? Disney is developing an Up-based attraction for the new modern Adventureland model. That works for that park. I also said it would work within Pixar Pier. I could see an Up attraction fitting into Epcot's The Land Pavillion. I could see an Up attraction working at Tropical Americas in Animal Kingdom. I just don't see Up fitting (without a lot of straining and shoe-horning) into the California Redwoods. It makes as much sense as putting an Up ride in Radiator Springs or Fantasyland. Sure, you could argue some thing to make it work (Peter Quill visited Epcot), but it's not a good fit.

So Carls house works in an all encompassing generic Adventureland next to an Incredibles ride etc but not as part of Grizzly Peak with the Kevin/ wilderness explorer tie in? I don’t get it. Clearly you have some personal and subjective reasoning for why it doesn’t work. But based on prior conversations I know you have a very unique value system. I also know you view Grizzly Peak as expendable.

 

[Professortango1]

So Carls house works in an all encompassing generic Adventureland next to an Incredibles ride etc but not as part of Grizzly Peak with the Kevin/ wilderness explorer tie in? I don’t get it. Clearly you have some personal and subjective reasoning for why it doesn’t work. But based on prior conversations I know you have a very unique value system. I also know you view Grizzly Peak as expendable.

Yes, because the redo of Adventureland is focused on the tropics but with more modern IPs rather than the period-piece 1930's vibe that is currently in place for all Adventurelands. Would UP work in Disneyland's Adventureland, even if there was room, not really. But the proposed new AL, sure. Paradise Falls fits a jungle-themed adventure attraction.

And I don't view Grizzly Peak as expendable more so than I view Pirates or Space Mountain expendable. I've stated that its the one area of DCA that is still firmly in the California theme and doesn't fit a park with random IPs. So if they want to change DCA to a mark with a bunch of random IPs and no real regard for identity, then yeah they change Grizzly Peak into something fitting that IP-centered park identity. If they want to keep Grizzly as is, then they need to honor the spirit of the land/park and Up wouldn't compliment that, unless, as stated, it was in Pixar Pier similar to how Pinocchio and Toad work across the way from one another under the umbrella of a vintage European courtyard consisting of carnival-style ride throughs of Disney animated classics.

The story of Up is about an old man who always wished to visit a specific place in South America. He then flies his house to this place in South America and spends the rest of the film having adventures in that South American location, where he meets Kevin and Doug.

Does Grizzly Peak look like South America? Do you want to retheme Grizzly Peak to Paradise Falls and ditch the California Redwood theme to Grand Californian? Or did you want to swap out the one key location and motivation of the film with another random natural area that has nothing to do with Paradise Falls? Like Carl just randomly flies and lands in the Redwoods for an adventure after caring so much about South America. Then why theme it to Up? That's like making a Coco ride where are with Miguel's family in LA. Sure, it has their characters, but moving the story and not featuring the one built up location would be pretty silly. No land of the dead, no Mexico, just the characters hanging around a different location that is shoehorned into DCA?

 

[mickEblu]

Does Grizzly Peak look like South America? Do you want to retheme Grizzly Peak to Paradise Falls and ditch the California Redwood theme to Grand Californian? Or did you want to swap out the one key location and motivation of the film with another random natural area that has nothing to do with Paradise Falls? Like Carl just randomly flies and lands in the Redwoods for an adventure after caring so much about South America. Then why theme it to Up? That's like making a Coco ride where are with Miguel's family in LA. Sure, it has their characters, but moving the story and not featuring the one built up location would be pretty silly. No land of the dead, no Mexico, just the characters hanging around a different location that is shoehorned into DCA?

My guy I can’t tell if you’re trolling me at this point. I’ve said numerous times the wilderness of Grizzly Peak would be the STARTING POINT for the attraction. Paradise Falls is the destination. Meaning you only see Paradise Falls on the attraction in the show building. An old man is flying around the world in a balloon powered house and you re worried about the fact that maybe he went to visit Kevin in the wilderness somewhere for (insert reason)?

You could still have 90% of the story beats from the film using Grizzly Peak as a starting point. The portions of the film that translate into a ride are traveling around the world in a flying house and the adventures that ensue at Paradise Falls. All of which would still be possible regardless of the starting point. I don’t understand your logic. Let’s just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, because the redo of Adventureland is focused on the tropics but with more modern IPs rather than the period-piece 1930's vibe that is currently in place for all Adventurelands. Would UP work in Disneyland's Adventureland, even if there was room, not really. But the proposed new AL, sure. Paradise Falls fits a jungle-themed adventure attraction.

And I don't view Grizzly Peak as expendable more so than I view Pirates or Space Mountain expendable. I've stated that its the one area of DCA that is still firmly in the California theme and doesn't fit a park with random IPs. So if they want to change DCA to a mark with a bunch of random IPs and no real regard for identity, then yeah they change Grizzly Peak into something fitting that IP-centered park identity. If they want to keep Grizzly as is, then they need to honor the spirit of the land/park and Up wouldn't compliment that, unless, as stated, it was in Pixar Pier similar to how Pinocchio and Toad work across the way from one another under the umbrella of a vintage European courtyard consisting of carnival-style ride throughs of Disney animated classics.

The story of Up is about an old man who always wished to visit a specific place in South America. He then flies his house to this place in South America and spends the rest of the film having adventures in that South American location, where he meets Kevin and Doug.

Does Grizzly Peak look like South America? Do you want to retheme Grizzly Peak to Paradise Falls and ditch the California Redwood theme to Grand Californian? Or did you want to swap out the one key location and motivation of the film with another random natural area that has nothing to do with Paradise Falls? Like Carl just randomly flies and lands in the Redwoods for an adventure after caring so much about South America. Then why theme it to Up? That's like making a Coco ride where are with Miguel's family in LA. Sure, it has their characters, but moving the story and not featuring the one built up location would be pretty silly. No land of the dead, no Mexico, just the characters hanging around a different location that is shoehorned into DCA?

At this point, and while this has nothing to do with this thread, this idea that something within DCA has to stay strict to the "California" theme of a land is basically silly. Disney has obviously moved on from this, I mean we're getting a land based on an alien world and an attraction set in Mexico after all. Neither of which will mostly likely be tied to California, except maybe through some "backstory".

So its not like having a future Up attraction in Grizzly Peak would break DCAs theme, as its no longer just "California" themed.

 

[mickEblu]

At this point, and while this has nothing to do with this thread, this idea that something within DCA has to stay strict to the "California" theme of a land is basically silly. Disney has obviously moved on from this, I mean we're getting lands based on an alien world and an attraction set in Mexico after all.

So its not like having a future Up attraction in Grizzly Peak would break DCAs theme, as its no longer just "California" themed.

But I feel like this is a moot point as not only is Grizzly Peak a fictional place (granted inspired by Yosemite/ national parks in CA) but there is no reason Carl could not fly his house to CA or anywhere else for that matter. It works regardless of whether the CA theme is retained or not. Currently Disney is going the "Adventure's in CA" and I don't suspect that will change.

 

[Disney Irish]

But I feel like this is a moot point as not only is Grizzly Peak a fictional place (granted inspired by Yosemite/ national parks in CA) but there is no reason Carl could not fly his house to CA or anywhere else for that matter.

Agreed, as I mentioned before you could call it "Carl's Vacation". But I feel the only reason Prof here is being a stickler about it is because of the "California" theme. So if we just accept that there is no longer this requirement of everything being "California" then it doesn't really matter where Up is set.

 

[coffeefan]

The new attractions coming to DCA - Avatar, Avengers, and Coco are all relevant blockbuster franchises. Besides Up requiring some pretzel gymnastics to work at Grizzly Peak, Up is not a logical choice going by what type of franchises Disney is adding to DCA. It's not happening based on that pattern. Up fits perfectly at WDW though.

 

[mickEblu]

Coco

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Also why does it require pretzel gymnastics? This old man flies his balloon powered house all over the world. Why does the starting point need to be generic city in California? His house is the notable landmark, setting, location or whatever you want to call it and that would be present at Grizzly Peak as part of the queue. The destination would be Paradise Falls. Kind of like how we go to Corelia / Star Destroyer and back in Smugglers Run / ROTR. The OCD is strong here today.