Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

[mickEblu]

Because the story takes place on land and UNDER the sea?

Well tell Tony Baxter that.

 

[Professortango1]

While true, I feel an outdoor wild mouse coaster would greatly diminish the atmosphere in that part of the park. My vote would be to keep Redwood Creek or keep it until you absolutely need that land and use it for something like a suspended Up D ticket or combine it with Mermaids space for something grander. Up makes a lot of sense at Grizzly Peak and DCA in general. Would be a very welcome addition to the park. In a way, I’m glad they didn’t go with Coco as a suspended ride which would have made for sense for the IP as if we’re going to get any new suspended dark ride in general UP is the obvious choice.

Up doesn't really fit as they travel to South America, not the California Redwoods. Maybe if you wanted to do an Up overlay to Soarin' where Carl takes us around to see the world, but that doesn't sound worth the trouble to me.

Not sure how Up would fit at all unless they ditched the premise of the film and just made a random ride about the Wilderness Explorers, but that sounds way too deep cut for an attraction beyond a play area.

 

[mickEblu]

Up doesn't really fit as they travel to South America, not the California Redwoods. Maybe if you wanted to do an Up overlay to Soarin' where Carl takes us around to see the world, but that doesn't sound worth the trouble to me.

Not sure how Up would fit at all unless they ditched the premise of the film and just made a random ride about the Wilderness Explorers, but that sounds way too deep cut for an attraction beyond a play area.

The wilderness explorer angle is just a starting point for an adventure to the locales, story beats from the film. Not sure how or why that wouldn’t work.

 

[coffeefan]

Well, if they want to do an inside/outside coaster in the woods, there's another option.

 

[DrStarlander]

You are one of my favorite new posters here Dr. Starlander but I'm going to have to disagree that the Grand Californian (and I assume by extension Grizzly Peak?) is not transportive. You are transported to a National park. Thats not something people see every day (or ever) and it's very immersive. Like 360 immersive. And it's beautiful full of trees and has rushing water. I believe it (and by extension the Grand Californian) is one of the most transportive lands in the resort actually. Much more than something like Avengers campus. That business park/ college campus or whatever that is supposed to be is uninspired and imagery we see everyday. Maybe you mean to say transportive to another to another time/ place? Or other worldly?

I get what you're saying, the area is beautiful, but yes I meant transportive to another time/place or other worldly or something uniquely owned by Disney (essentially nearly all of DCA started out "public domain" and replicating things within a few hundred miles). And I share your opinions on Avenger's Campus and have posted quite a bit about that underwhelming office park aesthetic (I photoshopped a Boeing logo on Infinity Defense, probably in this thread up above, to make the point it belongs in any office park!)

If you like Grand Californian's arts and crafts aesthetic and you want the no-crowds (although less "grand") version, when we go to San Diego we sometimes stay at the Lodge at Torrey Pines and it's pretty cool.

 

[mickEblu]

I get what you're saying, the area is beautiful, but yes I meant transportive to another time/place or other worldly or something uniquely owned by Disney (essentially nearly all of DCA started out "public domain" and replicating things within a few hundred miles). And I share your opinions on Avenger's Campus and have posted quite a bit about that underwhelming office park aesthetic (I photoshopped a Boeing logo on Infinity Defense, probably in this thread up above, to make the point it belongs in any office park!)

If you like Grand Californian's arts and crafts aesthetic and you want the no-crowds (although less "grand") version, when we go to San Diego we sometimes stay at the Lodge at Torrey Pines and it's pretty cool.
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That looks nice.

I don’t particularly care for the aesthetic - from the outside at least. I think the inside of the Grand is very nice though. Above all, I appreciate Grizzly Peak and the Grand Californian as a whole. The Grand lodge nestled in the Forest/ National Park.

If Ip-ifying Grizzly Peak is inevitable (and it probably is) I think Country Bears and UP would be a great way to go. Would keep the look/ feel of the land for the most part and add some beloved IP. Country Bears River Revue and an Up suspended D ticket over at Redwood Creek.

 

[Professortango1]

Still not sure why we would be flying to South America and Paradise Falls in California. Maybe an Up darkride in Pixar Pier as it's a California seaside carnival using Pixar IPs. Not sure if PP has the room for another attraction though.

 

[mickEblu]

Still not sure why we would be flying to South America and Paradise Falls in California. Maybe an Up darkride in Pixar Pier as it's a California seaside carnival using Pixar IPs. Not sure if PP has the room for another attraction though.

What’s the difference between this and Soarin? You’re taking off from Grizzly Peak/ California and flying to Paradise Falls.

 

[Professortango1]

What’s the difference between this and Soarin? You’re taking off from Grizzly Peak/ California and flying to Paradise Falls.

Soarin' isn't a narrative, it's like an evolution of circle vision. And you would soar over California.

An Up ride would be tied to the narrative of an old man who flew his house to South America. Kevin and Doug are big characters and tied to that Paradise Falls narrative.

 

[DCBaker]

New aerial photos of the site from MiceChat:

 

[Disney Irish]

Soarin' isn't a narrative, it's like an evolution of circle vision. And you would soar over California.

An Up ride would be tied to the narrative of an old man who flew his house to South America. Kevin and Doug are big characters and tied to that Paradise Falls narrative.

Except for when you soar over the world....

 

[Disney Irish]

New aerial photos of the site from MiceChat:

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That looks like they've used up all usable space back there. Even if they knock down all the operations building behind it I don't believe there is enough space for anything else, especially not a coaster. Sorry @DrStarlander

 

[Professortango1]

Looking at the site, I kind of wish they would use this new Courtyard as a way to reduce Avengers Campus to just that courtyard. A rerouted queue/entrance to Guardians means you walk past the Avengers HQ building with the Quinjet and see the shiny E ticket, AID in front of you, Mission BO to your left, and the crazy fun flat ride of Stark Flight Labs on your right. That sounds killer.

If that had been the reveal of Avengers Campus back in the day, a tight high impact area with characters and facades towering around us, I would have been a believer.
You can still have characters in that entry plaza area, but it allows a retheme of Pyms, and WEBSlingers. We would likely lose the stuntronic, but considering they've already scaled back that experience, how long do we foresee Disney keeping that as a reliable show element?

Do I think they would do this? Nope. But I only ride WEB Slingers ironically (and regret it almost instantly) and this also helps solve the problem of Mission BO feeling like it outside of AC. And means the tower would finally be show-worthy from all sides.

 

[DrStarlander]

That looks like they've used up all usable space back there. Even if they knock down all the operations building behind it I don't believe there is enough space for anything else, especially not a coaster. Sorry @DrStarlander

You're probably not surprised, but I remain undeterred, haha. I think there's 75,000 to over 150,000 sq. ft. of available space to the east of the tower (conceding some systems/utilities adjacent to the tower may need to be relocated) and north if using the Hyperion space. This backstage space is almost entirely redundant road surface. I know we may disagree about what is exactly required as part of setbacks and buffers, but I'm confident they can make it work, and I'm confident they need to in the next 10 to 15 years, before going across Disneyland Drive.

I'm connecting this show building to the existing Avengers building (where the trolley doors are) because I think they could be leaving this spot for the entrance (Indy style) for such an attraction based on how that facade (a prime location) is depicted as dark and abandoned in the Avengers expansion aerial concept art. This the most tenuous aspect of my speculation, but we'll know more in months as they fill out Infinity Defense as we see how wide of berth -- if any -- is left back there. To me, there is no way this facade is just filler/spacer, with no plans.

And to be clear, I can't even ride coasters due to my back. There is no self-interest/wishful thinking on my part. I am putting on my "If I was in charge of DLR and my boss says get DCA's attendance up to 13 million" hat, what do I do? The words "Spider-Man Coaster" are the simplest, most guaranteed answer (besides "Frozen Land"). Whether you are age 6 or age 96, you "get it." It would perhaps be the most easily explained and marketed E-ticket attraction in the history of US theme parks (other than "Star Wars Coaster").

 

[mickEblu]

Soarin' isn't a narrative, it's like an evolution of circle vision. And you would soar over California.

An Up ride would be tied to the narrative of an old man who flew his house to South America. Kevin and Doug are big characters and tied to that Paradise Falls narrative.

Why can’t you fly your house from Grizzly Peak to South America? They can come up with a million different stories to support that and tie it in with Russell’s (had to look that up) Wilderness explorer/ Boy Scout angle. And why would Kevin and Doug need to be excluded from this attraction?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Don't worry. Once the DisneyForward plots open up, DLR will have the blessing of size!!

 

[Disney Irish]

You're probably not surprised, but I remain undeterred, haha. I think there's 75,000 to over 150,000 sq. ft. of available space to the east of the tower (conceding some systems/utilities adjacent to the tower may need to be relocated) and north if using the Hyperion space. This backstage space is almost entirely redundant road surface. I know we may disagree about what is exactly required as part of setbacks and buffers, but I'm confident they can make it work, and I'm confident they need to in the next 10 to 15 years, before going across Disneyland Drive.

I'm connecting this show building to the existing Avengers building (where the trolley doors are) because I think they could be leaving this spot for the entrance (Indy style) for such an attraction based on how that facade (a prime location) is depicted as dark and abandoned in the Avengers expansion aerial concept art. This the most tenuous aspect of my speculation, but we'll know more in months as they fill out Infinity Defense as we see how wide of berth -- if any -- is left back there. To me, there is no way this facade is just filler/spacer, with no plans.

And to be clear, I can't even ride coasters due to my back. There is no self-interest/wishful thinking on my part. I am putting on my "If I was in charge of DLR and my boss says get DCA's attendance up to 13 million" hat, what do I do? The words "Spider-Man Coaster" are the simplest, most guaranteed answer (besides "Frozen Land"). Whether you are age 6 or age 96, you "get it." It would perhaps be the most easily explained and marketed E-ticket attraction in the history of US theme parks (other than "Star Wars Coaster").
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Ok, well as long as you understand this may not actually come to be, and that this isn't the Imagineering forum where you blue sky ideas you would do if you were in charge.

Also just to throw my two cents in on the Avengers HQ doors, I suspect they'll be using most of that space behind it for most of Infinity Defense's queue space. And maybe they put the M&Gs behind the actual doors, and/or expand the gift shop to fill it out.

 

[Disney Irish]

Don't worry. Once the DisneyForward plots open up, DLR will have the blessing of size!!

So then Disney will start knocking down existing stuff instead?

 

[BrianLo]

You're probably not surprised, but I remain undeterred, haha. I think there's 75,000 to over 150,000 sq. ft. of available space to the east of the tower (conceding some systems/utilities adjacent to the tower may need to be relocated) and north if using the Hyperion space. This backstage space is almost entirely redundant road surface. I know we may disagree about what is exactly required as part of setbacks and buffers, but I'm confident they can make it work, and I'm confident they need to in the next 10 to 15 years, before going across Disneyland Drive.

I'm connecting this show building to the existing Avengers building (where the trolley doors are) because I think they could be leaving this spot for the entrance (Indy style) for such an attraction based on how that facade (a prime location) is depicted as dark and abandoned in the Avengers expansion aerial concept art. This the most tenuous aspect of my speculation, but we'll know more in months as they fill out Infinity Defense as we see how wide of berth -- if any -- is left back there. To me, there is no way this facade is just filler/spacer, with no plans.

And to be clear, I can't even ride coasters due to my back. There is no self-interest/wishful thinking on my part. I am putting on my "If I was in charge of DLR and my boss says get DCA's attendance up to 13 million" hat, what do I do? The words "Spider-Man Coaster" are the simplest, most guaranteed answer (besides "Frozen Land"). Whether you are age 6 or age 96, you "get it." It would perhaps be the most easily explained and marketed E-ticket attraction in the history of US theme parks (other than "Star Wars Coaster").
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There’s a giant warehouse behind Pyms Test Kitchen… but this is extremely convoluted and eliminates way too much backstage road access and the bypass.

Marvel has two other places they have shown some interest in looking towards. Tomorrowland and Wakanda for the Forward project. There isn’t a lot of point in taking out DCA’s major theatre that they’ve gone out of their way to preserve when they also went out of their way not to build a coaster, despite it being the original pitch.

AC will be well built out and doesn’t necessitate another thrill ride, at the potential loss of an entertainment venue. If anything, Hyperion manifesting itself into AC seem more probable.

 

[DrStarlander]

Ok, well as long as you understand this may not actually come to be, and that this isn't the Imagineering forum where you blue sky ideas you would do if you were in charge.

"As long as you understand"? Or else what? Why do you care what I "understand" or not?

Even if they knock down all the operations building behind it I don't believe there is enough space for anything else, especially not a coaster. Sorry @DrStarlander

Someone posted construction photos and you brought up attraction expansion and tagged me....then you're going to call me out for being off topic? Your commitment to conflict is ridiculous