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News Disney Vacation Club announces plans for more than 350 new cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
But with so few cabins declared, renting points to stay there will be tricky.
Very few Cabins owners will be renting their points out, and at 7 months any other members will be competing for the remaining ones.
Unless you had an owner lined up who was prepared to jump on straight away, the chances are fairly low.

It’s not horrible right now. They’ve declared 60 cabins and have sold out points on 14. 40 odd units making a 7mo window, on average, is pretty good for a single unit type.

Granted they are a very cheap units points wise and desirable for other resorts to snatch up.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

Well-Known Member
Turns out (I may have heard this before but forgot) I can pay those fees with my Chase Disney Visa points. So basically that means $0 annual fee.
Yeah, I’m not following your logic here even a little bit. First of all, Disney Chase Visa is a pretty terrible rewards card in that you get 1 percent cashback (only as a Disney gift card) for basically every purchase category. There are much better rewards categories out there. Second of all, in order to earn $1,800 a year in rewards you would need to spend roughly $180,000 a year on the card. Finally, it’s still not “free,” as those rewards can be used to purchase anything at Disney, and again, you could get a different credit card, with better rewards, where you could most likely direct deposit that money into your bank account instead of getting a Disney gift card.

Saying that the existence of the ability to use a Disney Gift Card to pay your dues means that your annual dues are $0 is just wrong.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I’m not following your logic here even a little bit. First of all, Disney Chase Visa is a pretty terrible rewards card in that you get 1 percent cashback (only as a Disney gift card) for basically every purchase category. There are much better rewards categories out there. Second of all, in order to earn $1,800 a year in rewards you would need to spend roughly $180,000 a year on the card. Finally, it’s still not “free,” as those rewards can be used to purchase anything at Disney, and again, you could get a different credit card, with better rewards, where you could most likely direct deposit that money into your bank account instead of getting a Disney gift card.

Saying that the existence of the ability to use a Disney Gift Card to pay your dues means that your annual dues are $0 is just wrong.

It’s not wrong. I spend way more than that per year, because I use it to buy inventory for ny business. It’s gotten more difficult as some distributors are insisting on direct electronic payments, or charging a fee to use a credit card, so I don’t get as many points as I used to. But I average between $300 and $400 per month, obviously more at Christmas time.

Yes, there are other cards with better rewards, and I would qualify for any of them. However, I would be responsible and use those points to pay down the bills, or some other practical use. For example, my Discover card rewards are set to automatically go towards my bill.

I think of my Disney rewards like an old-fashioned vacation club. They are designated for our Disney trips, otherwise I would never save up points for our Disney trips.

Most of our trips are all or mostly covered by points. This year we’ve gone a lot more often, so it’s been a partial payment. For example, it covered our annual passes completely. It covers all of our dining, which is mostly signature dining. It covers at least part of our hotels. On our most recent trip for my birthday, I rented DVC points, so I paid cash for those. But the first and only time I paid cash for anything else was our brunch on the morning we left to go home.

But we’ve done Victoria & Albert’s completely on points while staying at the grand Floridian club level completely on points. We’ve done a four day cruise completely on points, including all on board spending. We live “higher on the hog“ at Disney than we do at home, because of those points. However it is rationalized, it works for us.

So $1800 per year is a lot easier to handle if I can pay for it in Disney Chase Visa points.

I’m running out of time and still undecided. There have been some very helpful posts here, especially talking about points availability, and the likelihood that there will not be a better deal in the future.

With the promotion going on, I’ll have to double check my paperwork, but I’m pretty sure the cabins ended up less expensive than most other available resorts. With the obvious exception of the annual fees.

I guess the question is would I spend $26,000 in lodging going to Disney for the remainder of my lifetime? That would likely include a trip to Hawaii. It may include international travel.

We don’t go one week per year. We take several 2 to 4 night trips whenever we want to. We typically book closer to last minute, which I know is not good for DVC. So some of our trips would have to be planned further in advance.

We sometimes stay deluxe, sometimes moderate, sometimes value. Off the top of my head for this year, I think we’ve spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500, and probably have one more visit to go.

Using that as an average, although this was a heavy year, I guess we would spend that in 10 years.

I just turned 54. I’m in good health, but if I’m alive in 10 years, I will be seven years older than any man has ever lived on my father’s side of the family. I can’t ignore that. My cholesterol is high and even an Immaculate diet doesn’t help.

Will I be traveling as long as I’m alive and mobile? Absolutely. It’s a priority.

How much do you all use DVC outside of Walt Disney World? Am I right to feel that I’d be more secure at a Disney property in another country? Or is it no different from any other timeshare, and more expensive? I’m supposed to sit with Holiday Inn for their version of this type of thing when we go to Vegas to see Wizard of Oz at the sphere lol. But I’ve rarely heard good things about timeshares in general.

Sorry, long post! Was kind of addressing all the responses at once.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Looking at the paperwork from my meeting:

The standard price for 150 points for the cabins or the Polynesian are exactly the same: $35,250.

The Poly has a discount of $750, bringing it down to $34,500. The annual dues would be roughly $1200 per year.

The cabins have a discount of $4200 plus a Chase Visa card holder discount of $1500, bringing it down to $29,550. If I took the $3000 credit for the first years points, that brings it down to $26,550.

If that offer is the same for the poly, that brings the poly down to $31,500. So the cabins are still $5000 less for the same 150 points. Not having much context, that seems good to me. I was not told that I could only use those points at the cabins, though I most often would want to. I can ask that question on the phone. If you guys think I would be “stuck“ always at the cabins.

As far as spending the points, using September as an example, and I know that’s a low point time, but we almost always go somewhere between my birthday, which is August 31 and our wedding anniversary, which is September 8: one week at the cabins would be 111 points. One week at the poly in a deluxe studio resort view would be 104 points. So no significant difference there. A preferred view would be 143 points. A duo studio in the tower would be 88 points.

At Christmas time, that duo studio at the poly would be 195 points and a cabin would be 232 points.

I do not have any other paperwork to compare other resorts.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
I was not told that I could only use those points at the cabins, though I most often would want to. I can ask that question on the phone. If you guys think I would be “stuck“ always at the cabins.

If you are buying from Disney they are good everywhere.

The price difference will mostly come back to hit you if you try and sell it early.

It’s not so much being stuck to the cabins as paying higher maintenance fees to access them at the 11 month window.

The pricing on Poly is not great. 33$ a point difference is a pretty big spread.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
If you are spending that much that really hurts my card hacking self. If you spend 180k on business expenses on a Chase Sapphire Reserve for business and earn a $500 voucher for Southwest Airlines, and platinum status at IHG hotels. Couple that with the $300 travel credit you get for having the card you've made back your annual fee before touching a point or using any other credit. You will also have at least 180,000 points (probably more if you use your card for flights, hotels, or advertising expenses) coupled with 200,000 point signup bonus. That’s 360k, ($3,600 cash value, more if you use it for travel and transfer it to partners) more than enough to have an entirely free week at the Swan or Dolphin. On top of that, lounge access, and a card with excellent travel insurance, and a Visa with no foreign transaction fees.

Not for you, want Delta Status and a skymiles club admission? Get a Delta Reserve Amex, get a free companion round trip flight a year (after the first year) 25 skymile club visits a year and coupled with the $2500 MQD bonus with a 180k spend will give you Platinum Medallion Status (and be either $7500 spend on airfare or 75k spend on anything else to Diamond Medallion Status.) That card has a 125k sign up bonus currently so you will have at least 305k skymiles valued at about $3,660 in flight credits.

The list goes on, seriously look into getting some more worthwhile cards, with nearly 200k in spend a year you can get a lot form a bunch of choices.

I spend far less then you and net a majority of the cost of a first class round trip flight to Europe and about 2.5 weeks (1 week in a luxury resort, 2.5 in midrange hotels) free in hotels a year.
 
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HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Two other things to consider:

Annual maintenance fees, which will add up much quicker with points at the cabins at their current level vs Poly

11 month vs 7 month booking window
That card has a 125k sign up bonus currently so you will have at least 305k skymiles valued at about $3,660 in flight credits.

I think there’s a decimal point missing between 6 and 6. 😉 (Inside “Sky Pesos” joke for those not understanding)

Totally agree with you, being serious for a moment.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
My buddy Bill K just called again. He’s really good at this lol.

He said he had no idea what anyone is talking about re: rebuilding everything in 25 years. He said soft goods would be replaced, probably roofs at some point. Hence higher fees.

If I were to proceed, I would do it all in my name, hubby’s credit is a little 🥴.

Down payment is no issue.

If we start the process on Monday and a better deal comes out on Tuesday, I’ll get it. (Which means that won’t happen lol.)

WL has lower dues but higher point cost.

Current availability for Cabins is plentiful. He checked end of April, end of August (my times.)

Outside of that, nothing available through March, except for some reason 9/29-9/30.

But there’s some thing for newbies where if I wanted to book next month at Beach Club, but nothing is open, if it’s available to the public on the regular WDW site, they’ll convert it for me. First booking only.

I’m sure I’ll hear from him on Monday. 😆
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Really zero reason to buy a dvc contract right now based on their position and the overall travel market

I know I won’t change anyone’s mind…but there REALLY isn’t

They’re at the price ceiling already when every spending indicator is going down…
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
If you are spending that much that really hurts my card hacking self. If you spend 180k on business expenses on a Chase Sapphire Reserve for business and earn a $500 voucher for Southwest Airlines, and platinum status at IHG hotels. Couple that with the $300 travel credit you get for having the card you've made back your annual fee before touching a point or using any other credit. You will also have at least 180,000 points (probably more if you use your card for flights, hotels, or advertising expenses) coupled with 200,000 point signup bonus. That’s 360k, ($3,600 cash value, more if you use it for travel and transfer it to partners) more than enough to have an entirely free week at the Swan or Dolphin. On top of that, lounge access, and a card with excellent travel insurance, and a Visa with no foreign transaction fees.

Not for you, want Delta Status and a skymiles club admission? Get a Delta Reserve Amex, get a free companion round trip flight a year (after the first year) 25 skymile club visits a year and coupled with the $2500 MQD bonus with a 180k spend will give you Platinum Medallion Status (and be either $7500 spend on airfare or 75k spend on anything else to Diamond Medallion Status.) That card has a 125k sign up bonus currently so you will have at least 305k skymiles valued at about $3,660 in flight credits.

The list goes on, seriously look into getting some more worthwhile cards, with nearly 200k in spend a year you can get a lot form a bunch of choices.

I spend far less then you and net a majority of the cost of a first class round trip flight to Europe and about 2.5 weeks (1 week in a luxury resort, 2.5 in midrange hotels) free in hotels a year.

Thought of you - not too long after you put the thought in my head, BoA emailed me saying I could upgrade my biz cc to a new one with 1.5% cash back on everything with no limits. Keep my same account number, easy peasy. I eventually responded to the offer, and just got notice it's on the way.

Is this the end of my Disney points?! Nah. I still see it as a "vacation club." I know I will use my new BoA points responsibly. (How boring!!)

And if you all hadn't guessed by my silence, I did not buy DVC. Part of me really wanted to, despite everything I know and everything I've said for years. Ultimately, something came up and I needed to redirect resources. That was the deciding factor.

Who knows - if there's ever a better deal...but Disney prices don't usually go down, so...
 

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