MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

[plutofan15]

It's weird to me that you infer serving up to 2 alcoholic drinks in 45 minutes as a gateway to some Disney run Pinnocchio's Pleasure island. One minute you're singing along with a stuffed bird, the next you're gambling your life's savings away in a brothel.

Ooooh! Pinocchio’s Pleasure Island, I must have missed that announcement! Will Lightning Lane be available?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Actually, this is a thread about the Beak & Barrel. At least it was until you started clutching at pearls and for some bizarre reason brought up casinos and brothels all while claiming that Disney is making unwitting people drink more so that they buy more Mickey ears and churros while driving children to alcoholism. If you don't approve of this new establishment, fine, just walk on by and let those who do want to visit do so.
Get this. The summer camp that my kids went to and are now counselors, took a field trip to see a WNBA game at an arena located in a casino. They have been doing this for years along with dozens of other summer camps in attendance for this special noontime game. I am just worried that these hundreds of children will turn into problem gamblers buy being inside a casino. Sounds ridiculous right.

Nah - kids aren’t likely to become gambling addicts being in the same building as a casino they aren’t allowed to visit.

A generation IS becoming gambling addicts due to things like gacha games and gamified online gambling and the proliferation of gambling in every aspect of professional sports. It’s a huge problem - maybe you’ve read about it. It turns out spending huge amounts of money to popularize and normalize vices to children can have some really negative effects.

By the way, the idea that Disney is spending millions building intricately detailed bars complete with merchandise lines while also making alcohol a pivotal part of EPCOTS identity but that they don’t actively want guests to drink is so obviously silly I don’t really believe you honestly believe it.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's weird to me that you infer serving up to 2 alcoholic drinks in 45 minutes as a gateway to some Disney run Pinnocchio's Pleasure island. One minute you're singing along with a stuffed bird, the next you're gambling your life's savings away in a brothel.

Why did anyone ever object to Joe Camel? Surely a silly cartoon camel wouldn’t turn kids into chain smoking raspy husks of themselves.

 

[BrianLo]

Drinking in the US is at an all time low. The drinking rate has DECREASED sharply. Drinking is also at a low among young people people, down a striking 22% or so from the 2000s.

This doesn’t mean drinking is evil or wrong. It doesn’t mean people who don’t drink are better than those who do. It DOES mean Disney is not responding to some new trend. It also calls into serious doubt, though it does not disprove, the idea that children in bars is more socially acceptable.

That’s really the key crux of it, because that’s all that is changing here. Should the parks cater more to adults at the behest of children? Or does it not seem to socially matter anymore if kids are around light social drinking under the guise of some theatrics and special effects.

The rest will be born out of popularity, demand and sales, so doesn’t really factor.

Magic kingdom vis a vie Disneyland are really the only two that held to their principles.

 

[IMDREW]

Will be releasing a reservation for 2 for tomorrow 8pm if anyones interested. Cant make it

 

[larryz]

Meet her feet ?

If those are the shoes you walk in...

 

[BlindChow]

Why did anyone ever object to Joe Camel? Surely a silly cartoon camel wouldn’t turn kids into chain smoking raspy husks of themselves.

That's how I got started.

I was a good kid. Then my parents took me to a Disney Pirate Bar and the next thing I knew I was hanging out with the bad kids behind the school, drinking fruity cocktails and calling each other "matey."

 

[flyerjab]

That's how I got started.

I was a good kid. Then my parents took me to a Disney Pirate Bar and the next thing I knew I was hanging out with the bad kids behind the school, drinking fruity cocktails and calling each other "matey."

Perfect response lol

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

It’s a pirate-themed bar in a theme park - not just A theme park, THE theme park. The idea that it’s not appealing to children is absurd. The degree to which people are absolutely flailing against common sense to defend this is deeply telling.

Yes, the theming will appeal to adults as well. The point is that the trappings are family-friendly while the actual content is not - like an age-restricted roller coaster themed to muppets or Guardians.

We’ve already had the very silly “a bar is appropriate for Pirates.” A casino would be thematically appropriate as well. So would a brothel. How about all the other things mentioned in the song you quote? That doesn’t make any of them a good idea for a theme park.

Sure, the bar appeals to kids and adults, but a key thing worth mentioning is how many more adults without kids are going to the parks. Having a few things (in MK's case, one) that appeal to adults more than kids in a park overwhelmingly geared towards kids isn't a bad thing. With the 45 minute time limit, I doubt we'll see people get sloshed like at Epcot.

Is it really so bad that there's alcohol in the pirate bar? There's non-alcoholic drinks and foods too, on top of the animatronics and show scenes, so it's not like kids get nothing out of it. It doesn't need to be 100% for kids, pretty much everything else in the park save Haunted Mansion and Tron is 100% for kids.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

It's weird to me that you infer serving up to 2 alcoholic drinks in 45 minutes as a gateway to some Disney run Pinnocchio's Pleasure island. One minute you're singing along with a stuffed bird, the next you're gambling your life's savings away in a brothel.

2 alcoholic drinks TO ADULTS ONLY, at that. Does anyone really think a cast member is gonna let a kid order a cocktail? It's such a weird argument against the B&B.

 

[Chi84]

Why did anyone ever object to Joe Camel? Surely a silly cartoon camel wouldn’t turn kids into chain smoking raspy husks of themselves.

Kids need to be taught to navigate the world they live in - not the world imagined to align with anyone's moral code. That's what I've been saying in both this thread and the movie threads since you mentioned them.

There are all kinds of people in this world doing all sorts of things that someone or other doesn't approve of. Too many people hide behind kids when it's actually their own prejudices or dislikes that are the issue.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

2 alcoholic drinks TO ADULTS ONLY, at that. Does anyone really think a cast member is gonna let a kid order a cocktail? It's such a weird argument against the B&B.

I had done the math prior but on an average day at most 6% of the park will get into B&B. If we assume 1/3 are below 21 or don't drink, then at most 4% of total park goers will have 1-2 drinks more than they would have before

Really don't see how that will lead massive amounts of people to gambling or prostitution but guess you never know

 

[Casper Gutman]

That’s really the key crux of it, because that’s all that is changing here. Should the parks cater more to adults at the behest of children? Or does it not seem to socially matter anymore if kids are around light social drinking under the guise of some theatrics and special effects.

The rest will be born out of popularity, demand and sales, so doesn’t really factor.

Magic kingdom vis a vie Disneyland are really the only two that held to their principles.

There’s also a real class element at work here - “Children in some lower class dive bar or at some seedy place like Daytona Beach are obviously unacceptable, but it’s not a problem for the better sorts like us at classy cocktail bars or high-priced theme park bars. Surely no one will be vulgar enough to get drunk at EPCOT.”

 

[Ayla]

Sure, the bar appeals to kids and adults, but a key thing worth mentioning is how many more adults without kids are going to the parks. Having a few things (in MK's case, one) that appeal to adults more than kids in a park overwhelmingly geared towards kids isn't a bad thing. With the 45 minute time limit, I doubt we'll see people get sloshed like at Epcot.

Is it really so bad that there's alcohol in the pirate bar? There's non-alcoholic drinks and foods too, on top of the animatronics and show scenes, so it's not like kids get nothing out of it. It doesn't need to be 100% for kids, pretty much everything else in the park save Haunted Mansion and Tron is 100% for kids.

Just a reminder, there are TWO non-alcoholic drinks on the menu, in a "family-friendly" bar.

 

[Casper Gutman]

That's how I got started.

I was a good kid. Then my parents took me to a Disney Pirate Bar and the next thing I knew I was hanging out with the bad kids behind the school, drinking fruity cocktails and calling each other "matey."

So Joe Camel was OK, right? That whole controversy was stupid, right? Or are you just being glib?

Ads have no power.
Culture has no power.
Disney has no power.
This must all be true, contrary to all evidence and lived experience, or else we might have to level very minor criticism at “the brand.”

 

[Casper Gutman]

Kids need to be taught to navigate the world they live in - not the world imagined to align with anyone's moral code. That's what I've been saying in both this thread and the movie threads since you mentioned them.

There are all kinds of people in this world doing all sorts of things that someone or other doesn't approve of. Too many people hide behind kids when it's actually their own prejudices or dislikes that are the issue.

That really does not seem like the argument you make in the movie thread.

There are lots of ways to “navigate” the world. The fact that that the world is diverse and sometimes even flawed puts us under no obligation to refrain from criticizing it or otherwise trying to make it better.

Frankly, sometimes your attitude regarding WDW comes off as almost nihilistic.

It’s really, really weird to accuse someone of hiding behind kids in a discussion of DISNEY WORLD.

 

[CAV]

That's how I got started.

I was a good kid. Then my parents took me to a Disney Pirate Bar and the next thing I knew I was hanging out with the bad kids behind the school, drinking fruity cocktails and calling each other "matey."

But did you poke your eye out?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

So Joe Camel was OK, right? That whole controversy was stupid, right? Or are you just being glib?

Ads have no power.
Culture has no power.
Disney has no power.
This must all be true, contrary to all evidence and lived experience, or else we might have to level very minor criticism at “the brand.”

You should have a problem with the pirates ride too then right? It makes pillaging and drinking rum sound like a fun pirate thing!! We better take out the pillaged village before kids start pillaging villages. We also should take out the cannons as they might end up increasing the amount of cannon killings. Stealing and pilfering is bad, better take out pirates all together while we’re at it. Now that you mention it, there’s a few rides that exist where kids might get the wrong message. Definitely should take out Haunted Mansion, hanging person as a “way out” + exploring abandoned properties can be dangerous!!

 

[JD80]

Yall are just feeding a concern troll.

 

[Chi84]

That really does not seem like the argument you make in the movie thread.

There are lots of ways to “navigate” the world. The fact that that the world is diverse and sometimes even flawed puts us under no obligation to refrain from criticizing it or otherwise trying to make it better.

Frankly, sometimes your attitude regarding WDW comes off as almost nihilistic.

It’s really, really weird to accuse someone of hiding behind kids in a discussion of DISNEY WORLD.

I don't think I'm weird but who knows. I believe people need to take responsibility for their own actions and what they teach their children rather than trying to censor ads or stop people from doing what they want as long as it's legal. I don't believe we're such victims.

As far as WDW is concerned, we have great vacations there and I hope it continues to thrive and grow because I would like it to continue.

Things change, though, and if it were to close tomorrow I would find another vacation venue. I've said before that I don't have an emotional connection to the theme park and have a difficult time understanding those who do. People are different.