MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

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[Casper Gutman]

Now this is just silly. You're trying to make it sound like they themed it to Disney Jr. or Bluey or something.

While pirates do appeal to children, the theming is clearly overwhelmingly popular with adults (even those without kids) as well.

Not to mention a Pirate Tavern being a natural and perfect theme for a bar. Drinking is an integral part of the pirate mythos, including those at Disney's theme parks. Should I post every instance of alcohol consumption depicted on the original ride? And how about the most-repeated line in the theme song's lyrics?

"Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!"

In fact, I'm not sure there's a more appropriate theme for a bar at the Magic Kingdom than pirates...

It’s a pirate-themed bar in a theme park - not just A theme park, THE theme park. The idea that it’s not appealing to children is absurd. The degree to which people are absolutely flailing against common sense to defend this is deeply telling.

Yes, the theming will appeal to adults as well. The point is that the trappings are family-friendly while the actual content is not - like an age-restricted roller coaster themed to muppets or Guardians.

We’ve already had the very silly “a bar is appropriate for Pirates.” A casino would be thematically appropriate as well. So would a brothel. How about all the other things mentioned in the song you quote? That doesn’t make any of them a good idea for a theme park.

 

[Casper Gutman]

If people don’t want to drink, Disney isn’t going to make them do so by putting a themed bar in MK. It will go out of business. People who drink less at home may want to splurge and have a drink or two on vacation.

I’ve never said Disney doesn’t influence guest behavior but “immense power” is an exaggeration. People who don’t want to drink alcohol aren't going to change their minds because of Disney.

Your continued protestations of Disney’s relative powerlessness- that they can’t encourage people to drink - is so untenable as to border on gaslighting. Outside forces can absolutely influence behavior - that’s the entire premise of the billion-dollar advertising industry. As I’ve said before, we all know Disney is intricately constructed to effect guest behavior. WDW is an environment in which one company controls almost every single thing the consumer sees, hears, eats… it’s a fully immersive ad.

On a more personal level, over in the film forum you have repeatedly demonstrated, as have I, a firm belief that pop culture can drive consumer’s beliefs and behaviors. That’s why representation and normalizing positive attitudes is so vitally important and why pop culture has become THE cultural battleground of our time.

Disney can’t convince everyone to drink, but they can make it immensely attractive, and some who wouldn’t otherwise drink will. Some who would have one drink will have two. Some kids will be taught that bars are cool places. Screaming “no, no, no,” doesn’t alter the fact that Disney is one of the most influential cultural institutions in the world.

 

[Chi84]

Your continued protestations of Disney’s relative powerlessness- that they can’t encourage people to drink - is so untenable as to border on gaslighting. Outside forces can absolutely influence behavior - that’s the entire premise of the billion-dollar advertising industry. As I’ve said before, we all know Disney is intricately constructed to effect guest behavior. WDW is an environment in which one company controls almost every single thing the consumer sees, hears, eats… it’s a fully immersive ad.

On a more personal level, over in the film forum you have repeatedly demonstrated, as have I, a firm belief that pop culture can drive consumer’s beliefs and behaviors. That’s why representation and normalizing positive attitudes is so vitally important and why pop culture has become THE cultural battleground of our time.

Disney can’t convince everyone to drink, but they can make it immensely attractive, and some who wouldn’t otherwise drink will. Some who would have one drink will have two. Some kids will be taught that bars are cool places. Screaming “no, no, no,” doesn’t alter the fact that Disney is one of the most influential cultural institutions in the world.

I don’t think persuading people to have a drink or two on vacation is bad or that kids seeing bars as uncool places is necessary to avoid having them abuse alcohol as adults.

You seem to equate social drinking with gambling and visiting brothels so don’t accuse me of gaslighting.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don’t think persuading people to have a drink or two on vacation is bad or that kids seeing bars as uncool places is necessary to avoid having them abuse alcohol as adults.

You seem to equate social drinking with gambling and visiting brothels so don’t accuse me of gaslighting.

I don’t think an adult gambling in moderation is any worse than an adult drinking socially or even alone. Both are fine. Neither is appropriate for children. As for the brothel, I brought that up in the context of the mad “it’s something pirates do” defense, so please don’t distort what I said.

Thank you for conceding that Disney can and will convince guests to drink more alcohol.

 

[larryz]

We’ve already had the very silly “a bar is appropriate for Pirates.” A casino would be thematically appropriate as well. So would a brothel.

You aren't the first to suggest an adult(erous) version of a princess meet-and-greet...

 

[Chi84]

I don’t think an adult gambling in moderation is any worse than an adult drinking socially or even alone. Both are fine. Neither is appropriate for children. As for the brothel, I brought that up in the context of the mad “it’s something pirates do” defense, so please don’t distort what I said.

Thank you for conceding that Disney can and will convince guests to drink more alcohol.

The problem is you want to discuss more than just Beak and Barrel.

I don’t have a problem with Disney building a family friendly pirate themed bar in MK that serves the type of drinks it does and has a time limit. If it encourages people to bring the family in to look around and enjoy the atmosphere while having a drink or two I’m fine with it.

If they built a totally different type of bar and ran 2 for 1 shot specials I might not be fine with that. But that hypothetical bar, along with the gambling casino, don’t exist. In order to discuss them you would have to make up a number of facts such as where, what size, what theme, adult only hours etc. it’s exhausting and serves no useful purpose.

 

[plutofan15]

I don’t think an adult gambling in moderation is any worse than an adult drinking socially or even alone. Both are fine. Neither is appropriate for children. As for the brothel, I brought that up in the context of the mad “it’s something pirates do” defense, so please don’t distort what I said.

Thank you for conceding that Disney can and will convince guests to drink more alcohol.

Nobody conceded that Disney "can and will convince guests to drink more alcohol". That is your conspiracy theory.

 

[Chi84]

I don’t think an adult gambling in moderation is any worse than an adult drinking socially or even alone. Both are fine. Neither is appropriate for children. As for the brothel, I brought that up in the context of the mad “it’s something pirates do” defense, so please don’t distort what I said.

Thank you for conceding that Disney can and will convince guests to drink more alcohol.

This thread is encouraging me to drink more alcohol.

 

[plutofan15]

This thread is encouraging me to drink more alcohol.

By the belief of some here, I guess you will be visiting casinos and brothels as well. Sounds like an interesting holiday weekend!

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

They intentionally omitted this by design. They don't want a party coming in and just ordering Cokes, taking a slot from a potentially more lucrative customer.

Ala the BOG PPO muffin brigade.

 

[Casper Gutman]

By the belief of some here, I guess you will be visiting casinos and brothels as well. Sounds like an interesting holiday weekend!

Or you could just spend the weekend lying on the internet…

Also, where’s this entirely hypocritical condemnation of gambling coming from? The argument in this thread that social mores have changed considerably and what was once a vice is now widespread and accepted applies MUCH more to gambling then to casual drinking near children - there’s actual concrete evidence of that change as opposed to evidence to the contrary regarding drinking. It sounds a lot like posters are trying to do what they’re accusing me of doing - drawing a moral line based entirely on the arbitrary basis of the vices they personally enjoy. I’ve said repeatedly I do not care if adults drink OR gamble in moderation (or even not in moderation if they do it in private), but it seems like that isn’t a universal view.

 

[Chi84]

Or you could just spend the weekend lying on the internet…

Also, where’s this entirely hypocritical condemnation of gambling coming from? The argument in this thread that social mores have changed considerably and what was once a vice is now widespread and accepted applies MUCH more to gambling then to casual drinking near children - there’s actual concrete evidence of that change as opposed to evidence to the contrary regarding drinking. It sounds a lot like posters are trying to do what they’re accusing me of doing - drawing a moral line based entirely on the arbitrary basis of the vices they personally enjoy. I’ve said repeatedly I do not care if adults drink OR gamble in moderation (or even not in moderation if they do it in private), but it seems like that isn’t a universal view.

Didn't you bring gambling into the discussion? I generally don't mind other people's legal vices unless they have some direct and immediate impact on me. But this isn't a thread to compare the relative immorality of vices. We're taking about a particular bar.

Why do you think adults at Beak and Barrel won't drink in moderation?

 

[networkpro]

Or you could just spend the weekend lying on the internet…

Also, where’s this entirely hypocritical condemnation of gambling coming from? The argument in this thread that social mores have changed considerably and what was once a vice is now widespread and accepted applies MUCH more to gambling then to casual drinking near children - there’s actual concrete evidence of that change as opposed to evidence to the contrary regarding drinking. It sounds a lot like posters are trying to do what they’re accusing me of doing - drawing a moral line based entirely on the arbitrary basis of the vices they personally enjoy. I’ve said repeatedly I do not care if adults drink OR gamble in moderation (or even not in moderation if they do it in private), but it seems like that isn’t a universal view.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[plutofan15]

Or you could just spend the weekend lying on the internet…

Also, where’s this entirely hypocritical condemnation of gambling coming from? The argument in this thread that social mores have changed considerably and what was once a vice is now widespread and accepted applies MUCH more to gambling then to casual drinking near children - there’s actual concrete evidence of that change as opposed to evidence to the contrary regarding drinking. It sounds a lot like posters are trying to do what they’re accusing me of doing - drawing a moral line based entirely on the arbitrary basis of the vices they personally enjoy. I’ve said repeatedly I do not care if adults drink OR gamble in moderation (or even not in moderation if they do it in private), but it seems like that isn’t a universal view.

Actually, this is a thread about the Beak & Barrel. At least it was until you started clutching at pearls and for some bizarre reason brought up casinos and brothels all while claiming that Disney is making unwitting people drink more so that they buy more Mickey ears and churros while driving children to alcoholism. If you don't approve of this new establishment, fine, just walk on by and let those who do want to visit do so.
Get this. The summer camp that my kids went to and are now counselors, took a field trip to see a WNBA game at an arena located in a casino. They have been doing this for years along with dozens of other summer camps in attendance for this special noontime game. I am just worried that these hundreds of children will turn into problem gamblers buy being inside a casino. Sounds ridiculous right.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

“Just providing” something would be adding a few options to existing venues. Not spending millions of dollars to create a dedicated venue that almost exclusively serves alcoholic beverages and where multiple decisions were made to increase output (no soda fountain, only premade drinks).

They added a single location in MK, a single one out of how many restaurants, quick service locations, kiosks, that provides both alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks. Let’s not make it like they have spring breakers walking around the parks with squirt guns full of tequila

 

[networkpro]

You aren't the first to suggest an adult(erous) version of a princess meet-and-greet...

Meet her feet ?

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Your continued protestations of Disney’s relative powerlessness- that they can’t encourage people to drink - is so untenable as to border on gaslighting. Outside forces can absolutely influence behavior - that’s the entire premise of the billion-dollar advertising industry. As I’ve said before, we all know Disney is intricately constructed to effect guest behavior. WDW is an environment in which one company controls almost every single thing the consumer sees, hears, eats… it’s a fully immersive ad.

On a more personal level, over in the film forum you have repeatedly demonstrated, as have I, a firm belief that pop culture can drive consumer’s beliefs and behaviors. That’s why representation and normalizing positive attitudes is so vitally important and why pop culture has become THE cultural battleground of our time.

Disney can’t convince everyone to drink, but they can make it immensely attractive, and some who wouldn’t otherwise drink will. Some who would have one drink will have two. Some kids will be taught that bars are cool places. Screaming “no, no, no,” doesn’t alter the fact that Disney is one of the most influential cultural institutions in the world.

The shear stupidity of a post that you think somehow Disney needs to work to make drinking attractive to the general population is just telling. Have you ever stepped outside….anywhere??? Can you name any major social outing that doesn’t have alcohol as an option? Sporting events with families…yup every professional sports arena, and college ones all serve alcohol. Hell most youth sports facilities now have alcoholic beverages for parents. Movie theaters…now serve alcohol. Kids arcades like Dave and busters, humdingers, Apex, all serve alcohol. The world has moved past the idea that alcohol is only served on seedy one room bars that are 21 and over and no kids/family’s are ever allowed inside.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The shear stupidity of a post that you think somehow Disney needs to work to make drinking attractive to the general population is just telling. Have you ever stepped outside….anywhere??? Can you name any major social outing that doesn’t have alcohol as an option? Sporting events with families…yup every professional sports arena, and college ones all serve alcohol. Hell most youth sports facilities now have alcoholic beverages for parents. Movie theaters…now serve alcohol. Kids arcades like Dave and busters, humdingers, Apex, all serve alcohol. The world has moved past the idea that alcohol is only served on seedy one room bars that are 21 and over and no kids/family’s are ever allowed inside.

Drinking in the US is at an all time low. The drinking rate has DECREASED sharply. Drinking is also at a low among young people people, down a striking 22% or so from the 2000s.

This doesn’t mean drinking is evil or wrong. It doesn’t mean people who don’t drink are better than those who do. It DOES mean Disney is not responding to some new trend. It also calls into serious doubt, though it does not disprove, the idea that children in bars is more socially acceptable. It also means you are spewing angry nonsense.

It’s weird to me that drinking being ubiquitous is so important to some posters.

 

[networkpro]

Drinking in the US is at an all time low. The drinking rate has DECREASED sharply. Drinking is also at a low among young people people, down a striking 22% or so from the 2000s.

This doesn’t mean drinking is evil or wrong. It doesn’t mean people who don’t drink are better than those who do. It DOES mean Disney is not responding to some new trend. It also calls into serious doubt, though it does not disprove, the idea that children in bars is more socially acceptable. It also means you are spewing angry nonsense.

It’s weird to me that drinking being ubiquitous is so important to some posters.

It's weird to me that you infer serving up to 2 alcoholic drinks in 45 minutes as a gateway to some Disney run Pinnocchio's Pleasure island. One minute you're singing along with a stuffed bird, the next you're gambling your life's savings away in a brothel.