News Disney’s Boy Trouble: Studio Seeks Original IP to Win Back Gen-Z Men Amid Marvel, Lucasfilm Struggles

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I guess the only question left would be how much an individual title can make from streaming if it was previously a box office bomb and I’m not referring to titles with big attachments like Disney Animation. Plenty of stories I’ve seen of movies we consider classics these days that were actually bombs but were saved because of video/rental/DVD. They could get very lost in all the noise.

The answer is ZERO

this is his thing…excusing bad movies that nobody pays to see cause somehow it will make trillions on a stream that no one even know when and if it’s there

And bobs toilets are also spit shine spotless every day

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I never even watched the Acolyte, and never defended it. Andor, however, is one of the best TV shows ever made.

But it got still little traction because they wrecked the thing

Disneys problem with Star Wars is quite simple:

They need to publicly admit they screwed up. It would have worked for George…and it would work for them. But neither would do it.

It’s still a gen X world (monetarily speaking that will amplify)…and we are a fickle bunch when it comes to maybe our 1 sacred cow. The apology is necessary…not optional

But it will never happen. Really the biggest gaffe in Hollywood you can think of…since George did it for commercial exploitation. So Disney doubles down and it makes his mistakes look better.

You could have never made this up.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My boys, 8 and 6, like SpongeBob, Phineas and Ferb, Minecraft, Nintendo, and Mr. Beast.

The oldest likes Star Wars except the new trilogy. He does not like anything to do with the new trilogy at all. Rey is a hard no for him. He likes Darth Vader, Luke, General Grevious, Darth Maul, Obi Won, and Mace Windu. Pretty much all the characters they wrote out of Galaxies Edge. Hence Disney's problem. He does like Mando though.

A tiny bit of accurate market research…instead of JJ Abrams nonsense rushed into production with an angry “creative team” (that was the issue) giving “direction” behind the franchise…would have prevented that.

But it comes back to Bob…just try to get new headlines and slap a label on it. The plebs in stores and parks are just that stupid…don’t even own a decent sized yacht

 

[Stripes]

But it got still little traction because they wrecked the thing

I disagree.

I believe it got little traction because it had a slow pace and was absent of any significant legacy characters.

It was also not an escapist show. It’s a political thriller that deals with some heavy stuff.

Now, I absolutely love it. However, Andor is unmistakably different from the rest of Star Wars and it appeals to a certain type of person. It’s perhaps the only Star Wars project ever made with intelligent and well-written dialogue.

Andor is a show for intelligent adults, not kids.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

When GL told Howard, "remember, this is for 12 year old boys" I wanted to choke him

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I disagree.

I believe it got little traction because it had a slow pace and was absent of any significant legacy characters.

It was also not an escapist show. It’s a political thriller that deals with some heavy stuff.

Now, I absolutely love it. Andor is unmistakably different from the rest of Star Wars and it appeals to a certain type of person. It’s perhaps the only Star Wars project ever made with intelligent and well-written dialogue.

Andor is a show for intelligent adults, not kids or dummies.

It was very good. Star Wars was always about tone and texture and andor had the right one.

But it cost like a trillion dollars and produces what? In the way of tangible yield and results.

Here’s the problem: Disney has only gained traction with the OT “adjacent” stuff.

Which totally makes sense…but the way to expand the franchise was in the sequels…that’s what everyone always wanted.

And that was the disaster

 

[Stripes]

When GL told Howard, "remember, this is for 12 year old boys" I wanted to choke him

Why?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When GL told Howard, "remember, this is for 12 year old boys" I wanted to choke him

…because he was lying

Why?

…because it was an excuse after he screwed it up

 

[Stripes]

It was very good. Star Wars was always about tone and texture and andor had the right one.

But it cost like a trillion dollars and produces what? In the way of tangible yield and results.

Here’s the problem: Disney has only gained traction with the OT “adjacent” stuff.

Which totally makes sense…but the way to expand the franchise was in the sequels…that’s what everyone always wanted.

And that was the disaster

Andor obviously didn’t have the right tone and texture to attract the Star Wars audience. It was too mature.

It was incredibly expensive but you can see the money on the screen.

I believe Star Wars: Starfighter will successfully expand the franchise beyond the artificial limits of the Skywalker family.

If they make a trilogy of the Ryan Gosling film, it will be a gold mine.

 

[Stripes]

…because he was lying

…because it was an excuse after he screwed it up

I don’t view that as an excuse, but rather a piece of advice.

And from what I can discern, he wasn’t wrong.

 

[Disney Irish]

I guess the only question left would be how much an individual title can make from streaming if it was previously a box office bomb and I’m not referring to titles with big attachments like Disney Animation. Plenty of stories I’ve seen of movies we consider classics these days that were actually bombs but were saved because of video/rental/DVD. They could get very lost in all the noise.

The delivery mechanism shouldn't matter when asking this question, as it should be exactly the same. The thing now is that there is so much more content so it may take longer, gone are the days of browsing aisles and aisles of movies at the video story and replaced by browsing catalogs of movies on a streaming platform. The more things are different the more they stay the same, as the saying goes. We humans are creatures of habit, and so just because something is different doesn't mean our habits change. We see it even now, older movies and shows from a decade or two ago are finding a new life on streaming, you can see it in the Nielsen charts. And so maybe it won't be right away with some titles, but I suspect recent movies that "bombed" at the theater will too find their way to being watched at home, just like they would when they landed at the video store.

This is one of the main reasons for the Hollywood strike recently, actors and writers wanted to make sure they still got their residuals from streaming. If it wasn't such a viable platform that can make lots of money for movies you'd think they be trying to make sure they got a piece of it? No of course not, so yeah its again clear that all of Hollywood sees the value of streaming in terms of making money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t view that as an excuse, but rather a piece of advice.

And from what I can discern, he wasn’t wrong.

No…he was wrong

Even if that was the original intent…what was produced didn’t fill that niche in the world and the legend grew because it did not come off as kiddish…at least not completely. Again…it was tone and texture.

 

[Stripes]

No…he was wrong

Even if that was the original intent…what was produced didn’t fill that niche in the world and the legend grew because it did not come off as kiddish…at least not completely. Again…it was tone and texture.

I wholeheartedly believe the primary reason Andor didn’t get higher ratings is because it had a tone and texture that was too mature for 12 year old boys and 50 year old boys. Would the inclusion of a legacy character helped? Sure, but that is the primary reason.

The financial success of a Star Wars project depends on appealing to 12 year old boys and 50 year old boys.

 

[Disney Irish]

The answer is ZERO

this is his thing…excusing bad movies that nobody pays to see cause somehow it will make trillions on a stream that no one even know when and if it’s there

And bobs toilets are also spit shine spotless every day

Hmm, remember that strike that the actors and writers had recently? Remember what one of their main points were? The residuals for their shows and movies on streaming, they wanted to make sure they still got their piece of the pie. If they make zero why would the actors and writers being fighting for a piece of that if its zero? I mean zero is still zero right? So clearly its not zero. And clearly its not my "thing", its what the whole industry was fighting about not too long ago. Nothing to fight about if it wasn't a money making business.

Interesting how a "bomb" was "ok" back 20 years ago because it could eventually find a life on video, but now it can't because its streaming? Make that make sense. Yeah I don't even think you even believe your own arguments anymore.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wholeheartedly believe the primary reason Andor didn’t get higher ratings is because it had a tone and texture that was too mature for 12 year old boys and 50 year old boys. Would the inclusion of a legacy character helped? Sure, but that is the primary reason.

The financial success of a Star Wars project depends on appealing to 12 year old boys and 50 year old boys.

It does…and the 50 year olds are the key between the 2

 

[CoastalElite64]

Here’s the problem: Disney has only gained traction with the OT “adjacent” stuff.

Which totally makes sense…but the way to expand the franchise was in the sequels…that’s what everyone always wanted.

And that was the disaster

Actually the reason Gen-Z doesn't claim the sequels is because of the over pandering to boomers and Gen-X.

 

[Stripes]

It does…and the 50 year olds are the key between the 2

Not if they want the property to remain relevant in 20 years.

I’m anxiously looking forward to Mando and Grogu and especially Starfighter.

 

[Stripes]

Actually the reason Gen-Z doesn't claim the sequels is because of the over pandering to boomers and Gen-X.

Correct. Right from the beginning with The Force Awakens it felt like a film that was pandering to a nostalgia that didn’t exist for younger audiences.

With the Skywalker saga completed, there is a real opportunity to create a brand new saga that will make audiences young and old fall in love with new characters without being forced to carry the nostalgic baggage of what came before.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

Andor was a huge success IMO. To expect much more for this type of show is not realistic.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

Correct. Right from the beginning with The Force Awakens it felt like a film that was pandering to a nostalgia that didn’t exist for younger audiences.

With the Skywalker saga completed, there is a real opportunity to create a brand new saga that will make audiences young and old fall in love with new characters without being forced to carry the nostalgic baggage of what came before.

Skeleton Crew was basically a brand new story and characters. Aimed at kids. Nobody cared.