MK New Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

[JMcMahonEsq]

only within the vision of the brand though.

If you start selling playboy magazines at the emporium you can’t just say “as long as it makes money that’s the only point.”

I liked it when MK and DL didn’t serve, it made them special. We still have the Herschend parks I beleive.

No, not really within the vision of the brand. The point of the company is to make money. Now in many cases it serves that purpose to stay on brand, as that is the way you focus on a specific market the most profitably, but your market/vision serves to promote profit, not the other way around (this is for for profit businesses only, not talking about non-profits/charities, where the vision/service IS the fundamental goal, not profit.)

As to selling playboys, its a bit subjective to be fair, but I don't see alcoholic beverage and adult magazines on the same level. I don't think my personal preference on menus should be applicable to others, nor do i think I should be concerned about what other people are eating/drinking. I don't think they should be serving tofu. I am not so full of myself to think that my dislike of Tofu should dictate what others get to eat/drink on vacation.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don't think they should be serving tofu.

If you’re going to make that argument… the octopus (which is on the menu at this location) is a better argument to make since there is a potential moral issue there.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

only within the vision of the brand though.

If you start selling playboy magazines at the emporium you can’t just say “as long as it makes money that’s the only point.”

I liked it when MK and DL didn’t serve, it made them special. We still have the Herschend parks I beleive.

I was fine when they didn't serve but also will (and have) purchased alcoholic when offered in MK.

might make me a hypocrite but do feel a big difference from serving it inside select locations vs having like beer carts on Main St - personally hope we don't get to that point, but have no issue with it served at TS or this lounge

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

might make me a hypocrite but do feel a big difference from serving it inside select locations vs having like beer carts on Main St -

Not at all! MK is still, thankfully, more restrictive than the other parks. Not being able to walk around with drinks is still a huge part of maintaining the atmosphere.

It’s also the biggest issue with Epcot on certain evenings.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

If you’re going to make that argument… the octopus (which is on the menu at this location) is a better argument to make since there is a potential moral issue there.

Not really, because in each instance all you are talking about is personal choice. There is no legal issue with drinking alcohol. If you start getting into moral issues honestly i don't care. Moral's are personal decisions and you are free to make decisions on your own, as am I. But I don't care about your morals. You can't argue objectively about your morals other than to say I think my opinion is better than yours. I have no problem with people who don't want to drink while they are on vacation. I have no problem with people who do want to drink while on vacation. I do have a huge problem with people who think their personal opinion on if people should drink on their vacation should dictate how other people get to spend time on their vacation.

I hate roller coasters/thrill rides. The most thrilling ride i will do is 7D, and even that isn't so much about enjoying the ride, as it is going on it with other people who want the entire family to ride the ride together. I am never going to ride a ride like Guardians, or Tron, or the new Monster's Inc coaster. That doesn't mean I think Disney shouldn't build those types of rides, or offer them in their parks. I know damn well a large part of their market enjoys those types of rides, and I am not filled with delusions of grandeur to think my personal opinion on what a Disney ride should/shouldn't be should dictate what Disney should offer its customers when there is a clear demand for it.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Not really, because in each instance all you are talking about is personal choice.

So they should offer shark fin soup? On theme for pirates and anyone who orders it is making a personal choice.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The primary point of every business is to make money.

Is the primary point of MK now to sell alcohol because it happens to have a whopping 2 locations where you can get it?

Is the primary point of MK to sell hot dogs, because Casey's sells hotdogs?

Is it someone odd that i can go to rainforest cafe and have a beer, while my kids have a drink and/food and somehow we can both exist and enjoy the space, without wrestling with some esoteric BS about are they eating food in a bar, or am I drinking alcohol in a restaurant?

Do i a moan that certain restaurants have vegan options? Do i think that MK would be becoming anti-meat if they had a location that only served vegan options? Or do i recognize that different people enjoy different things, and that having more options is better than less?

DISNEY IS A BUSINESS?!?! WHO KNEW?!?!

You keep strawmanning, blurring definitions, and moving goalposts. I don’t think you shouldn’t be able to drink on vacation. I don’t think you shouldn’t be able to drink in a theme park. I have no problem with bars that are secondary appendages to restaurants like Rainforest or Confisco or Finnegans or Space whatever. Where things start to get very iffy is when you create pure bars that are explicitly designed to appeal to children. Want to go into the cool Star Wars cantina with the neat AA? It’s a bar! Want to go into the cool Pirates place with all the theming? It’s a bar! That’s some Joe Camel stuff right there.

If you go into your local bar - not a restaurant, a full bar - and see a bunch of kids, is your first thought, “Great! Everything is operating just as it should!”

I used to be in favor of legalizing gambling. Let adults do what they like! I was terribly wrong. In practice, legalizing gambling resulted in a full court press on young people, starting with blind boxes and gacha games and moving on to online casinos taking over every single aspect of the major sports leagues. Now online gambling is destroying a generation - because it was normalized. (I’m not in favor of the government banning booze in parks. I am in favor of severe government restrictions on online gambling.)

Look, peel everything else away, toss out the social concerns, and boil it down to this - Disney World should be a place for families to be together. Almost everything should be something families can do together. Bars and restrictive coasters aren’t things families can do together.

And I have nothing against Disney adults. I go to the parks alone sometimes myself. But they can never forget the parks are places for all ages. And frankly, if you can’t get through a day in the park without a bar, if you can’t wait to get back to the hotel to drink - that’s an issue.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

So they should offer shark fin soup? On theme for pirates and anyone who orders it is making a personal choice.

Is shark fin soup illegal in Florida? If not go for it. I have eaten it on a couple of occasions when traveling for work. I don’t think it’s all that great but to each their own. As long as it’s it’s not illegal and people want to eat it go for it. Why? I am supposed to care that you like sharks more than chickens so killing chickens for soup or tenders is ok, but killing sharks for soups is bad?

 

[Casper Gutman]

So by your standards, anything "normalized" in society since the parks opened should be restricted ? Cast members appearance, modifying food service to allow different dietary preferences, removing tobacco use, introducing any type of alcohol...just for starters is a pretty large claim to stake out as the final arbiter of what's right. I'm not trying to start any conflicts, just point out that the business determines what's best for it and you have a choice to either accept it, voice your concerns to them about any of it, or take your business to somewhere more in line with your standards. Its a publicly traded company where Walt Disney is now no more than another piece of intellectual property (or an animatronic figure if you're in California).

You have made up an argument neither I or anyone else in this thread has made.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

We get it, you are against alcohol in the parks.

I mean, so was Walt. (Yes I know he’s dead, no need to remind me).

 

[Casper Gutman]

I am genuinely shocked by the vehemence of the reactions here. Did I step on some sort of Disney Adult third rail?

 

[Chi84]

I am genuinely shocked by the vehemence of the reactions here. Did I step on some sort of Disney Adult third rail?

I don't think it's a third rail. But many adults enjoy an alcoholic beverage during the day or evening at the parks and can do so responsibly.

Suggesting that they can't wait to get to the hotel or have a drinking problem is not very nice.

 

[dmc493]

You’ve completely misunderstood the issue of “normalization” being discussed, but to follow your logic, do you feel society has “normalized” children in bars? Not restaurants, bars?

I think the emergence of a middle-ground between restaurants and bars 100% plays into a societal shift. By that I mean the emergence of breweries and similar type experiences over the last 10-20 years where these settings allow children because it's outdoors or for other reasons, has shifted society's opinion of what type of alcohol-forward experiences are acceptable for a child to be around without causing consternation.

I personally was raised my parents who do not drink, but I choose to socially. There are others who are raised by heavy drinkers, and followed in those footsteps, or did a 180 and don't drink at all.... plus every option and opinion in between. You'll never convince all of society to agree the role alcohol should play in these types of settings. The only obvious thing here is that Disney has leaned heavily into and agrees with the profit opportunity that comes from these newer alcohol-forward settings and thinks that the concept is socially acceptable enough to introduce into the parks.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don’t drink at all and frankly think the world would get on much better without any alcohol. That said, I am excited for this new venue and think, like Oga’s, it will be enjoyable for guests of all ages.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

A bigger problem than whether or not Disney should offer alcohol in MK is that Disney has one again built a space with insufficient capacity for the anticipated demand, and has to put a time limit in place to manage it.

After Oga's and Trader Sam, you'd think they'd know better by now (and not expanding Oga's or adding something similar to SWGE at this point is just leaving money on the non existent tables).

Disney wants bars everywhere to generate revenue, but people don't just want bars, they want something more substantial. They expect more from Disney and will spend more and go out of their way for unique experiences.

There's no time limit on the new Grand Floridan lobby bar, despite having even lower capacity, because it's nothing special. It'll be small enough that whatever revenue it generates will cover the cost of operations, but is it satisfying any demand? Or is it just there in the hopes that it will generate spontaneous spending by those passing by?

That seems to be the two kind of bars Disney likes to make. Ones that are attractions on their own, and ones that fill up space

 

[MickMinn22]

Any one know what time reservations open on the app tomorrow? Looking to get a reservation for my trip in September and I always forget the time reservations are released. Thanks!

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Any one know what time reservations open on the app tomorrow? Looking to get a reservation for my trip in September and I always forget the time reservations are released. Thanks!

I would assume 6am EST like regular ADRs, but haven't seen anything explicit

 

[LittleBuford]

A bigger problem than whether or not Disney should offer alcohol in MK is that Disney has one again built a space with insufficient capacity for the anticipated demand, and has to put a time limit in place to manage it.

I think that’s a feature rather than a bug. People are much less likely to drink to excess if they have only a 45-minute window.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don’t think it’s a flashpoint but that ship sailed long ago.

Don’t kid yourself about the attitude behind “wondering why.”

If you’d like to make your insinuation explicit, feel free. I was genuinely surprised by this reaction.

By the way, I would have thought that the dismissive reference to child molestation might be the comment in this thread most worthy of scolding, but apparently it’s the idea that the violent reaction to the idea that pure bars (not restaurants serving alcohol) aren’t necessary in a theme park raises some questions about priorities.

 

[Chi84]

If you’d like to make your insinuation explicit, feel free. I was genuinely surprised by this reaction.

By the way, I would have thought that the dismissive reference to child molestation might be the comment in this thread most worthy of scolding, but apparently it’s the idea that the violent reaction to the idea that pure bars (not restaurants serving alcohol) aren’t necessary in a theme park raises some questions about priorities.

How many posters reacted violently?