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[Dranth]

I think her argument was also that her male coworkers who expressed strong political opinions were treated more favorably. Of course those opinions were a different political bent so it’s not a perfect argument.

Which is why I always thought her case was weak.

Disney was fully within their rights to drop her for expressing political views while not doing the same with others. That might make them look like hypocrites to some, but that doesn't make it illegal.

Personally, I couldn't care less about most of what she posted, people often say dumb things online, often unintentionally, but she kept doubling down and it got pretty gross.

 

[Chi84]

Which is why I always thought her case was weak.

Disney was fully within their rights to drop her for expressing political views while not doing the same with others. That might make them look like hypocrites to some, but that doesn't make it illegal.

Personally, I couldn't care less about most of what she posted, people often say dumb things online, often unintentionally, but she kept doubling down and it got pretty gross.

I believe the case was entirely a state matter. I posted a summary of the counts earlier at some point but I don’t remember where.

 

[erasure fan1]

Not really, it was a settlement, not an admission of guilt on either side. And as of now there is no statement on her "return" to her former role. Just the normal boilerplate PR response of "we look forward to working with her on a future project".

Sure, legally that's true. I think Disney knew they were going to lose so they settled. Just as I thought would happen. When anyone settles anything, most people think that implies whoever is guilty. And I completely agree. So in reality, this wasn't so cut and dry as I was told. As I said before, if Disney kept their yap shut, ended season 2 of mando and just moved on from there. No issues. But that's not what they did.

So I think aside from some people who really dislike Gina for her "side". The rest see why Disney was wrong in there handling of the situation. And before the usual suspects bounce back with their usual responses. It's not supporting what Gina said. It's the hypocrisy in their handling of it.

 

[Nevermore525]

Sure, legally that's true. I think Disney knew they were going to lose so they settled. Just as I thought would happen. When anyone settles anything, most people think that implies whoever is guilty. And I completely agree. So in reality, this wasn't so cut and dry as I was told. As I said before, if Disney kept their yap shut, ended season 2 of mando and just moved on from there. No issues. But that's not what they did.

So I think aside from some people who really dislike Gina for her "side". The rest see why Disney was wrong in there handling of the situation. And before the usual suspects bounce back with their usual responses. It's not supporting what Gina said. It's the hypocrisy in their handling of it.

It’s also better for Disney to just settle anything associated with Gina’s “side” currently. ABC did that earlier this year for likely the same reasons. Better to put a stop to all of it and avoid further amplification.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The hypocrisy argument is weak because they gave her many chances concerning the things she was saying. She was willing to listen and adjust and Disney was willing to allow her that opportunity.

At some point she simply went too far and things got to the point that the association with her would be damaging to the brand.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sure, legally that's true. I think Disney knew they were going to lose so they settled. Just as I thought would happen. When anyone settles anything, most people think that implies whoever is guilty. And I completely agree. So in reality, this wasn't so cut and dry as I was told. As I said before, if Disney kept their yap shut, ended season 2 of mando and just moved on from there. No issues. But that's not what they did.

So I think aside from some people who really dislike Gina for her "side". The rest see why Disney was wrong in there handling of the situation. And before the usual suspects bounce back with their usual responses. It's not supporting what Gina said. It's the hypocrisy in their handling of it.

Again not really, its a settlement. Settlement doesn't mean they thought they were going to lose. It means they weighed the costs of trying to win against any potential fallout that would have come from it and decided the potential fallout would be worse. For example, and to try to not to get too political, say they continued to fight this and won. At what point do they have to go up against the Administration trying to get involved and cause all sorts of other problems for Disney. So the whole point is to try to minimize exposure to future battles, its a smart business move and what they've been trying to do since this Administration won the election.

So yeah let Carano claim some moral victory no matter whether she was right or not (because that seems like one of the things she wanted). In the end unless it comes out later no one will actually know what the settlement really was or the strength of either side.

Also unless some future announcement comes its not like she is getting this role back anyways. Mando and Grogu has already wrapped filming, so unless they do some some quick cameo of her walking in a meaningless background scene she is not getting screen time in that movie. And there will be no season 4 that includes that character since the movie basically replaces season 4. So unless they revive that Squadron movie she isn't returning there either. So yeah, its a hollow victory. She got a few bucks, got to tweet about it, and that probably is it. Maybe in some future project down the road not related to SW they throw her a bone and cast her, but its not like that is a guarantee either.

So its a settlement, nothing more.

 

[erasure fan1]

The hypocrisy argument is weak because they gave her many chances concerning the things she was saying. She was willing to listen and adjust and Disney was willing to allow her that opportunity.

At some point she simply went too far and things got to the point that the association with her would be damaging to the brand.

Then why settle? To you this was in the bag for Disney. Obviously it wasn't. I think you still miss the issue because of how you feel about her.

This obsession many have with making a hero out of the worst people is really weird

She wasn't the only one at Disney who said things you would classify as "worst people" comments. Just the one one who doesn't align with your side. When push comes to shove, Disney screwed this up. Gina wasn't right, Pedro and Zegler... weren't right, but Gina was the only one removed and publicly shamed and dragged through the mud.

So to you it might be Disney can do what they like, but there was obviously something more there because I was told Disney wouldn't settle because they didn't do anything wrong and it would look really bad. But now conveniently they have.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Then why settle? To you this was in the bag for Disney. Obviously it wasn't. I think you still miss the issue because of how you feel about her.

She wasn't the only one at Disney who said things you would classify as "worst people" comments. Just the one one who doesn't align with your side. When push comes to shove, Disney screwed this up. Gina wasn't right, Pedro and Zegler... weren't right, but Gina was the only one removed and publicly shamed and dragged through the mud.

So to you it might be Disney can do what they like, but there was obviously something more there because I was told Disney wouldn't settle because they didn't do anything wrong and it would look really bad. But now conveniently they have.

Others have already outlined why it was probably in their best interest for this to go away.

You just dismiss any contrary opinion as coming from a personal bias. I wasn't clamoring for her to be fired at any point. I noted they worked with her to smooth over some controversial statements and that seemed to work fine for both parties.

At a point Disney felt things went too far and were in a position where they felt they had to separate themselves from her views.

You claim hypocrisy because other people made "equally bad" statements, which is of course also an opinion based on personal feelings.

If one feels the statements from others were equally bad, that's a personal opinion so whatever. A key difference is Pedro adjusted his social media presence to stay in his employer's good graces.

Carano was given many chances and didn't take the hint.

Hypocrisy only exists if the statements they all made were equally bad AND one side was given more chances than the other to fix things.

Let me know when Pedro makes numerous offensive statements and refuses to back down.

 

[mysto]

All good points, but will she finally let me take her out? No.

Nothingburger.

 

[erasure fan1]

Again not really, its a settlement. Settlement doesn't mean they thought they were going to lose. It means they weighed the costs of trying to win against any potential fallout that would have come from it and decided the potential fallout would be worse. For example, and to try to not to get too political, say they continued to fight this and won. At what point do they have to go up against the Administration trying to get involved and cause all sorts of other problems for Disney. So the whole point is to try to minimize exposure to future battles, its a smart business move and what they've been trying to do since this Administration won the election.

I'd say settling, when they know they didn't do anything wrong, opens them up to more problems in the future, than sticking it out and winning. Unless they aren't convinced they'd win. They tried to get this thrown out but it kept moving forward. I know like some others you can't see what the issue is because that would go against a narrative. But it's ok to acknowledge Disney might have screwed this up.

Also unless some future announcement comes its not like she is getting this role back anyways. Mando and Grogu has already wrapped filming, so unless they do some some quick cameo of her walking in a meaningless background scene she is not getting screen time in that movie. And there will be no season 4 that includes that character since the movie basically replaces season 4. So unless they revive that Squadron movie she isn't returning there either. So yeah, its a hollow victory.

Agreed. I don't think she'd even accept a job at this point from this clown show at Disney/lucasfilm. But a hollow victory I don't agree with.

So its a settlement, nothing more.

Again, legally, yes. But for a whole lot of people this is just Disney buying their way out of trouble. It's an admission of guilt in many many people's eyes.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd say settling, when they know they didn't do anything wrong, opens them up to more problems in the future, than sticking it out and winning. Unless they aren't convinced they'd win. They tried to get this thrown out but it kept moving forward. I know like some others you can't see what the issue is because that would go against a narrative. But it's ok to acknowledge Disney might have screwed this up.

What "problems" in the future? Its not like this is the first time Disney has settled a case. And no other "problems" happened with those settlements. So not sure what you think these future "problems" would be.

Also this idea that you only settle when you think you can't win is flawed thinking. Settlements happen for all sorts of reasons not directly tied to the outcome of the case. Sometimes its just easier to settle and get a quick outcome then it is to drag things out in court for years or decades.

I'll acknowledge Disney screwed up when I feel they screwed up. Nothing about this whole situation do I think they "screwed up".

Agreed. I don't think she'd even accept a job at this point from this clown show at Disney/lucasfilm. But a hollow victory I don't agree with.

If you don't think she'd show up tomorrow on set if they revived the Squadron movie you're fooling yourself. If for nothing else bragging rights.

Its a hollow victory because other than a few tweets she didn't "gain" anything. She wasn't a good actress before all this, and she won't be a good actress after this. She'll continue to get bit parts and that is where she will stay, a leading actress she will not become due to this outcome. So yeah its a hollow victory.

Again, legally, yes. But for a whole lot of people this is just Disney buying their way out of trouble. It's an admission of guilt in many many people's eyes.

Does it really matter in the end what people think? As people were going to believe what they were going to believe no matter whether Disney won or not. The court of public opinion had already decided the outcome of this long before a lawsuit was even filed.

 

[Dranth]

Then why settle? To you this was in the bag for Disney. Obviously it wasn't. I think you still miss the issue because of how you feel about her.

How is this a serious question?

CBS did not need to settle and would have won. ABC did not need to settle and would have won. Amazon didn't need to back down from showing the tariff amount on invoices. Walmart didn't have to apologize for saying things are going to be more expensive. Law firms didn't have to settle because they dared to represent their clients who just happen to be out of favor at the moment.

They ALL settled for one reason and only one reason, winning was not seen as worth it when doing so only draws the ire of the current admin who then directly interferes with your business.

 

[erasure fan1]

You just dismiss any contrary opinion as coming from a personal bias. I wasn't clamoring for her to be fired at any point.

The only thing I dismiss, is that Gina was the only one to blame in all this. You might not have publicly said it, I don't know. But you did call her one of the "worst people". That's a big tell as to where you fall in this argument.

Hypocrisy only exists if the statements they all made were equally bad AND one side was given more chances than the other to fix things.

Speculation at best. Show me it was equal. The answer is you can't. They both had outspoken social media posts. Was Pedro told he needs to attend a teams meeting with a bunch of conservatives? Was he told to publicly apologize?... Not that I know of. Was he put through the same scrutiny? Sure doesn't seem like it.

You claim hypocrisy because other people made "equally bad" statements, which is of course also an opinion based on personal feelings.

Yea it's not really up for debate, Pedros tweets were every bit as offensive as Ginas. The only way someone doesn't see that is if they are holding the party line.

Let me know when Pedro makes numerous offensive statements and refuses to back down.

I'm not sure how that factors. Pedro did make numerous offensive tweets. Gina was fired, he wasn't. Was it equal? Their comments for sure. The way it was handled? We don't know, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The only thing I dismiss, is that Gina was the only one to blame in all this. You might not have publicly said it, I don't know. But you did call her one of the "worst people". That's a big tell as to where you fall in this argument.

Speculation at best. Show me it was equal. The answer is you can't. They both had outspoken social media posts. Was Pedro told he needs to attend a teams meeting with a bunch of conservatives? Was he told to publicly apologize?... Not that I know of. Was he put through the same scrutiny? Sure doesn't seem like it.

Yea it's not really up for debate, Pedros tweets were every bit as offensive as Ginas. The only way someone doesn't see that is if they are holding the party line.

I'm not sure how that factors. Pedro did make numerous offensive tweets. Gina was fired, he wasn't. Was it equal? Their comments for sure. The way it was handled? We don't know, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

Of course it's a matter of opinion on whether or not they made equally offensive statements. You're entitled to feel they are but that doesn't make it fact.

Gina wasn't fired despite making quite a few statements people found offensive. Let's not pretend she wasn't treated pretty darn generously.

And as always, she wasn't fired. She wasn't a series regular. Disney is under zero obligation to bring back her character or hire her for future projects, and that's ultimately why this lawsuit felt frivolous.

As already pointed out as well, any perceived or real hypocrisy is irrelevant. They can choose to part ways with her but not Pedro for any reason.

 

[LittleBuford]

Then why settle? To you this was in the bag for Disney. Obviously it wasn't. I think you still miss the issue because of how you feel about her.

She wasn't the only one at Disney who said things you would classify as "worst people" comments. Just the one one who doesn't align with your side. When push comes to shove, Disney screwed this up. Gina wasn't right, Pedro and Zegler... weren't right, but Gina was the only one removed and publicly shamed and dragged through the mud.

So to you it might be Disney can do what they like, but there was obviously something more there because I was told Disney wouldn't settle because they didn't do anything wrong and it would look really bad. But now conveniently they have.

I believe Pascal was prompted to delete his offensive post, while Zegler, also under pressure from Disney, issued an apology, as was extensively discussed here. Carano too was offered a way out; by her own telling, she chose to stand her ground.

So yes, the outcome was different in her case, but in part because she herself chose to make it so.

 

[erasure fan1]

Of course it's a matter of opinion on whether or not they made equally offensive statements. You're entitled to feel they are but that doesn't make it fact.

In this case you are just lying to yourself to defend your allegiance. Both people made equally offensive tweets. Just because Pedro wasn't talking about you, doesn't mean it wasn't equally offensive.

Gina wasn't fired despite making quite a few statements people found offensive. Let's not pretend she wasn't treated pretty darn generously.

I looked for all these offensive things you say. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot difference than what any of the stars talked about. The covid mandate stuff? Funny enough she wasn't really wrong about. Yea she talked about who she supported... Things like that. Nothing different than Pedro or zegler or most celebrities. As far as I can see it was the beep bop boop thing and the being a conservative that really upset people. The rest was a lot of the same nonsense both sides partake in. You say she was treated generously. Based on what we've heard, it doesn't seem very generous.

And as always, she wasn't fired. She wasn't a series regular. Disney is under zero obligation to bring back her character or hire her for future projects, and that's ultimately why this lawsuit felt frivolous.

She wasn't a regular? Say she wasn't the main character, sure. I'd say she was in enough episodes to call her a regular. She was in half the episodes in season 2 and nearly 40% of the first. Plus they were doing a spinoff show. Don't forget they paraded her around with weathers at countless promo events. You don't really see that for a guest appearance.

As already pointed out as well, any perceived or real hypocrisy is irrelevant. They can choose to part ways with her but not Pedro for any reason.

Of course they can do what they want. That doesn't make i right. They got called out and had to payout, I'm sure a lot. What cracks me up about this whole discussion that's been going on now for what, years. Is how so many here dig their heals in for a certain side. As I've said many times, I don't believe Gina should have said what she said. Just like Pedro or Zegler. But I can admit that. The fact that you, or others here can't, says a lot.

If Gina had said the same thing Pedro said, you absolutely wouldn't be defending it. And if Pedro said something similar to Gina, it would be all you misunderstood, or something similar. How do I know? Look at how hard you people defended zegler. Bad is bad, it doesn't matter the side it's on or how much you like a company.

 

[Disney Irish]

In this case you are just lying to yourself to defend your allegiance. Both people made equally offensive tweets. Just because Pedro wasn't talking about you, doesn't mean it wasn't equally offensive.

I looked for all these offensive things you say. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot difference than what any of the stars talked about. The covid mandate stuff? Funny enough she wasn't really wrong about. Yea she talked about who she supported... Things like that. Nothing different than Pedro or zegler or most celebrities. As far as I can see it was the beep bop boop thing and the being a conservative that really upset people. The rest was a lot of the same nonsense both sides partake in. You say she was treated generously. Based on what we've heard, it doesn't seem very generous.

She wasn't a regular? Say she wasn't the main character, sure. I'd say she was in enough episodes to call her a regular. She was in half the episodes in season 2 and nearly 40% of the first. Plus they were doing a spinoff show. Don't forget they paraded her around with weathers at countless promo events. You don't really see that for a guest appearance.

Of course they can do what they want. That doesn't make i right. They got called out and had to payout, I'm sure a lot. What cracks me up about this whole discussion that's been going on now for what, years. Is how so many here dig their heals in for a certain side. As I've said many times, I don't believe Gina should have said what she said. Just like Pedro or Zegler. But I can admit that. The fact that you, or others here can't, says a lot.

If Gina had said the same thing Pedro said, you absolutely wouldn't be defending it. And if Pedro said something similar to Gina, it would be all you misunderstood, or something similar. How do I know? Look at how hard you people defended zegler. Bad is bad, it doesn't matter the side it's on or how much you like a company.

Here is the low down....

Was I offended by what any of them posted, no. Doesn't mean I agree with what any of them posted either, or think any of them should have posted it. I've long said that while celebrities are free to post what they want, they actually shouldn't, and should refrain from saying much of anything. Just like I think most everyone should just ignore celebrities and their online rants.

Also this "equal offensive" thing you go on about is not actually "equal". There is no universal agreement that either side were equally offended, its a personal opinion based on some online chatter nothing more. You can say you were equally offended by both, but doesn't mean everyone universally agrees with you, which again means it an opinion not a fact.

In the end this settlement does nothing but embolden "both sides". Because both sides will take what they want out of it. Like I said before, the court of public opinion had already decided the outcome of this long before a lawsuit was even filed.

 

[easyrowrdw]

I'd say settling, when they know they didn't do anything wrong, opens them up to more problems in the future, than sticking it out and winning. Unless they aren't convinced they'd win. They tried to get this thrown out but it kept moving forward. I know like some others you can't see what the issue is because that would go against a narrative. But it's ok to acknowledge Disney might have screwed this up.

Wasn’t Disney known for not settling many lawsuits? I feel like they had that reputation for a long time. I wonder if their stance has changed or if this case seemed more precarious. As others said, the state laws seemed to be more of a question than the federal ones.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

In this case you are just lying to yourself to defend your allegiance. Both people made equally offensive tweets. Just because Pedro wasn't talking about you, doesn't mean it wasn't equally offensive.

I looked for all these offensive things you say. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot difference than what any of the stars talked about. The covid mandate stuff? Funny enough she wasn't really wrong about. Yea she talked about who she supported... Things like that. Nothing different than Pedro or zegler or most celebrities. As far as I can see it was the beep bop boop thing and the being a conservative that really upset people. The rest was a lot of the same nonsense both sides partake in. You say she was treated generously. Based on what we've heard, it doesn't seem very generous.

She wasn't a regular? Say she wasn't the main character, sure. I'd say she was in enough episodes to call her a regular. She was in half the episodes in season 2 and nearly 40% of the first. Plus they were doing a spinoff show. Don't forget they paraded her around with weathers at countless promo events. You don't really see that for a guest appearance.

Of course they can do what they want. That doesn't make i right. They got called out and had to payout, I'm sure a lot. What cracks me up about this whole discussion that's been going on now for what, years. Is how so many here dig their heals in for a certain side. As I've said many times, I don't believe Gina should have said what she said. Just like Pedro or Zegler. But I can admit that. The fact that you, or others here can't, says a lot.

If Gina had said the same thing Pedro said, you absolutely wouldn't be defending it. And if Pedro said something similar to Gina, it would be all you misunderstood, or something similar. How do I know? Look at how hard you people defended zegler. Bad is bad, it doesn't matter the side it's on or how much you like a company.

You really don't understand that your personal opinion is not absolute.

I don't even remember most of what any of them said. You're just making stuff up in an effort to "win" an argument.

I don't care about whether or not Pedro's comments crossed a line. You're making up a fictional scenario in which someone changes their opinion based on who said it. This is a straw man argument and pretty much just lying and making claims about what other people think.

Disney clearly felt both of them were being too outspoken. The difference is, only one of them was stupid enough to dig in her heels, and screwed herself.

Now we're claiming appearing in 40% of a show makes one a series regular? Just more spin and lies.

 

[LittleBuford]

Wasn’t Disney known for not settling many lawsuits? I feel like they had that reputation for a long time. I wonder if their stance has changed or if this case seemed more precarious. As others said, the state laws seemed to be more of a question than the federal ones.

I searched for results from before 2020, and there seem to be plenty of examples, though I’d never heard of any of them.