DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

Disstevefan1

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Dranth

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peter11435 said:
Look. I don’t really care if you believe me or not. But I’m not guessing, I’m telling you that Muppet courtyard was closed now to save on operating expenses. Thats the economics and business of it.
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Even if you are an insider (as you’d have to be to speak so confidently…) it comes across like editorializing when you speak of the decision as driven by “financial gain”. Dinosaur is staying open a long time while major construction is happening nearby, so we have current examples of Disney continuing to incur operating costs for popular attractions we know are being redone soon.

Feels more honest to present the full cost-benefit if indeed this is the only reason: they closed the courtyard, show, and restaurants now to save on operating costs that are not justified by its customer demand. Customer experience feels like it’s part of the equation. Could be why you close restaurant down at 4pm.
 
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peter11435

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
Even if you are an insider (as you’d have to be to speak so confidently…) it comes across like editorializing when you speak of the decision as driven by “financial gain”. Dinosaur is staying open a long time while major construction is happening nearby, so we have current examples of Disney continuing to incur operating costs for popular attractions we know are being redone soon.

Feels more honest to present the full cost-benefit if indeed this is the only reason: they closed the courtyard, show, and restaurants now to save on operating costs that are not justified by its customer demand. Customer experience feels like it’s part of the equation. Could be why you close restaurant down at 4pm.
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Dinosaur is staying open as long as possible because that park in its current form can not support it being closed.

That model could have been used for muppets too but they put cost savings over guest experience.

Restaurants close at 4pm to consolidate demand to less operating venues to save on operating costs.
 
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peter11435 said:
Dinosaur is staying open as long as possible because that park in its current form can not support it being closed.
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So Dinosaur is indispensable to its park? And Muppetvision isn’t? I agree.

Operating costs are not considered in a vacuum. Clearly, Disney knows Muppetvision is not a draw or in any serious demand; it’s just not a big deal to close it now and save the money and get to work on the new thing. Some fans will continue to complain, sure, but they have from when it was only a rumor to when it was announced to when it was closed and will continue on from now to eternity. The guest experience of that group has suffered, but it hasn’t on the whole for park goers who prioritized several over attractions ahead of it anyway.

You’re also just wrong about how restaurant and store demand works. Two restaurants closing does not mean its guests now have to go to other restaurants in that park. They can easily go outside of the park to eat or pack food for the day. People who pre-booked Mama Melrose aren’t all pre-booking a different restaurant. They can, and many will, go offsite. So the above should consider foregone revenue, too.
 
JackCH

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Legit question- someone earlier in the thread mentioned they likely moved the coaster back for better access for back of house? I didn’t fully follow that. They are gonna re-route the road around the coaster aren’t they?
 
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peter11435 said:
Obviously there are many considerations to these decisions. That isn’t really the point.
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That was precisely the point! Glad we agree

Good thing is, operating cost savings help fund new customer experiences. Savings from an expedited closure could have been factored into the business case for investing in Monsters Inc land. I’m grateful these decisions are improving the experience for guests like me who love the world of Monstropolis and excited for a fun new coaster long time in the making!
 
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TheMaxRebo

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JackCH said:
Legit question- someone earlier in the thread mentioned they likely moved the coaster back for better access for back of house? I didn’t fully follow that. They are gonna re-route the road around the coaster aren’t they?
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I don't think we know for sure. That was definitely the assumption to start but with them pushing back some speculating they could try and lower to road/raise the pathway or have it so the roadway is kept as it is and accessed outside of park hours

I would still bet on rerouting it but feels uncertain
 
networkpro

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peter11435 said:
Obviously there are many considerations to these decisions. That isn’t really the point. The point was that Muppets closed now to save on operating costs not because construction needed to start now. Whether or not that choice was justified is an entirely different debate.


I’m not.

This isn’t some random city street. The dynamics work very different in a Disney theme park like this one.

Again this is why closing and consolidating restaurant and store demand has been Disneys business plan for over three decades now. That’s why MK is currently home to over half a dozen former merchandise locations. And why the two merchandise locations in muppets courtyard haven’t been open in half a decade. Don’t forget the Tomorrowland Terrace still sitting empty in the middle of the busiest theme park in the world.
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I'm sure that the utility work that's required would have made operation of those now closed facilities rather precarious at best. Water, Sewage, and Power kind of need to be connected all the time to meet minimum health department standards, much less keeping the theater cooled for irate customers.
 
peter11435

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networkpro said:
I'm sure that the utility work that's required would have made operation of those now closed facilities rather precarious at best. Water, Sewage, and Power kind of need to be connected all the time to meet minimum health department standards, much less keeping the theater cooled for irate customers.
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Why would utility work for the door coaster impact anything in muppets courtyard? Muppets didn’t close to build Galaxies Edge despite Rise being closer to MV3D than the door coaster will be.
 
dmc493

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It depends entirely how existing utilities are routed thru the footprint of HS. Galaxy's Edge infrastructure could have multiple connections or literally no connections to anything infrastructure near Muppets. Plenty of ways to skin the cat.



Also - almost positive HS doesn't have any centralized utility systems (?) for cooling so Muppets theater is probably cooled my its own units? Which would mean cooling isn't impacted by subsurface utility work
 
lazyboy97o

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JackCH said:
Legit question- someone earlier in the thread mentioned they likely moved the coaster back for better access for back of house? I didn’t fully follow that. They are gonna re-route the road around the coaster aren’t they?
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Disney has to provide fire truck access to the coaster building. It’ll also need back of house access. Moving the building doesn’t provide better access because most of those needs are routed around the back.
 

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