DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

Bocabear

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Starship824

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It feels like that area can breathe now.... I understand that they were going for a back alley look when it was built, but this feels so much better with a little space... Do we know what is replacing Rizzo yet? If it is Pizza again, please make it good pizza this time!
Pizza RAzzo of course! 😉
 

lazyboy97o

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To me, it looks like there is enough space to eventually do another ride, maybe a dark ride entering the factory through a “side employee door” would be cool
Park perimeter roads are generally where major utilities are run. The building was likely pushed back to keep the area relatively clear in case there was ever a need to get access to them in the future.

I think there is a chance that the road stays there and is opened at night for access to the backstage areas. I think there is a road like that between Batuu and Toy Story land. But I could be wrong.
The road between Toy Story Land and Galaxy’s Edge is to provide access to buildings that are in the middle of the park, but there is no such need with the perimeter roads. The coaster building will still need back of house access as well as fire truck access around most of it, so maintaining access would not be much of an issue.

The exit of the theatre lets out into the construction zone.
There’s an extended queue that runs behind the theater. It also has a substantial retaining wall along it whose installation did not close the theater.
 

CoasterCowboy67

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Is maximizing profit at the expense of the customer experience “nefarious?” Is it something corporations never, ever, ever do - or is it in fact very, very common? What we’re seeing here is one of the most baffling aspects of modern America - almost every once respected expert is now disregarded at best and demonized at worst - doctors, professors, lawyers, teachers, bureaucrats, politicians, scientists, etc - except for corporate executives, who are increasingly seen as all-knowing and infallible.

As for the claim that corporate decisions are prompted by the wise deliberations of an informed team of insightful sages rather then by the momentary whims and biases of one powerful individual - have you read any business history? Or followed the news?
Lots of cynicism to unpack.

Replacing an old show with a new land, show, restaurants, shops and an E-ticket attraction is profit maximization at the expense of customer experience? Closing that show down in order to start construction on said enhancements is profit maximization at the expense of customer experience? Customer experience is far more than keeping a show open a few more months that was already open for 34 years prior. I understand YOUR experience as a customer was deeply affected by this veeeery suspicious early closure, but there are millions of other Disney guests with far different priorities and excited to see progress on the new Monsters Inc. Land.

You comment on modern America and fail to mention the galaxy of pseudo-experts who need nothing more than a webcam and a TikTok account to be "experts" on any topic of the day. Expertise here is not even in question. It's the claim that being a project management expert or a construction expert and identifying access roads on a map for materials deliveries gives license to ignore other considerations factoring into a show closure and claim Disney is being anti-customer. Are these individuals simultaneously finance experts? Marketing and communications experts? Customer experience experts? Safety experts? Design experts? Environmental experts? The fact they cannot allow themselves to believe these other functions are at play in decision-making for a show closure makes those answers very clear.

To believe a publicly traded, $200B market cap company opens and closes attractions off the whims of one powerful individual makes me wonder what business history or news you're reading. A public CEO isn't an autocrat -- they are accountable to a board, shareholders, and customers -- and advised by a host of subject matter experts.
 
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Gusey

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There’s an extended queue that runs behind the theater. It also has a substantial retaining wall along it whose installation did not close the theater.
Since that extended queue was full on the last day, they would have struggled to reroute people through there on the last day, right? Is there a chance that they guessed that it would be so popular they decided it wasn't worth the hassle of turning the extended queue into an exit?
 

CoasterCowboy67

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You do not in fact respect expertise if you then claim it does nothing to provide a more informed view. It’s not as much of an assumption if you’re familiar with those factors, which aren’t as special nor given equal weight as you try to claim.
It is an informed but partial view which is the point you are failing to humbly acknowledge. In fact, to claim one's construction or project or map-reading expertise gives license to claim a company closed an attraction early is to not respect the dozens of other functional experts needed to weigh in on that kind of decision.

Nobody is claiming you or others are not special or unfamiliar with some relevant "factors" -- they're correctly pointing out that it's not just your expertise and those "factors" that matter here
 

mattpeto

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It feels like that area can breathe now.... I understand that they were going for a back alley look when it was built, but this feels so much better with a little space... Do we know what is replacing Rizzo yet? If it is Pizza again, please make it good pizza this time!
No clues about Rizzo yet.

When I had my down and back farewell to see MV3D for the final time, Disney sent me a survey and it had a focused section on PizzeRizzo (food, service, etc.)

I didn't give it positive marks on it's food. Just like you I hope we see an upgrade there in the future. I kind of hope they take a page from DCA, San Fransokyo Square - plenty of decent eats from that space - just take one or two (best of those), theme it and turnkey. Harryhausen's could also be a nice contrast to the QS (both were italian spots prior) - even if it's super Americanized.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I kind of hope they take a page from DCA, San Fransokyo Square - plenty of decent eats from that space - just take one or two (best of those), theme it and turnkey.
What’s good there? The Mexican food used to be great but was seriously downgraded.

I’d be up for trying something new in that area if it’s good. DL food has been really disappointing me lately.
 

mattpeto

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What’s good there? The Mexican food used to be great but was seriously downgraded.

I’d be up for trying something new in that area if it’s good. DL food has been really disappointing me lately.
That's a bummer!

We really liked Aunt Cass Cafe and Cocina Cucamonga quite a bit. Mexican Street Corn FTW!
 

TrainsOfDisney

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That's a bummer!

We really liked Aunt Cass Cafe and Cocina Cucamonga quite a bit. Mexican Street Corn FTW!
Do you remember the burritos they used to have there? They were so good. The tacos there and at Disneyland are so pathetic compared to the good days.

Is Aunt Cass worth double the price of earl of sandwich though? These are the questions! Haha. Maybe I’ll try a bread bowl next time.
 

lazyboy97o

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Since that extended queue was full on the last day, they would have struggled to reroute people through there on the last day, right? Is there a chance that they guessed that it would be so popular they decided it wasn't worth the hassle of turning the extended queue into an exit?
“Don’t build the church for Easter.” The last day was one day. Setting up a temporary extended queue for one day would have been trivial.
 

mattpeto

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Do you remember the burritos they used to have there? They were so good. The tacos there and at Disneyland are so pathetic compared to the good days.

Is Aunt Cass worth double the price of earl of sandwich though? These are the questions! Haha. Maybe I’ll try a bread bowl next time.
Chicken tacos were good, the potato one was ironically our favorite.

EoS remains a great bargain for sure.
 

Dranth

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The exit of the theatre lets out into the construction zone.
It is only a construction zone because Disney wanted it to be one.

They could have done this later if they wanted to, they just didn't. Maybe it was to save money on construction, maybe it was to save operational costs, maybe it had nothing to do with money at all, we don't know, but it didn't HAVE to be done now.
 

plutofan15

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As for the claim that corporate decisions are prompted by the wise deliberations of an informed team of insightful sages rather then by the momentary whims and biases of one powerful individual - have you read any business history? Or followed the news?
Disney, like a lot of large corporations, has many committees who hold meeting after meeting after meeting to make sometimes even the smallest decisions. The idea that Iger is sitting on a throne in Burbank making proclamations is simply not true.
as well as more benign transgressions like closing a theme park ride to save money.
Muppets was not closed to save money. The closing of the courtyard resulted in very little money. Especially when the lost revenue from the two restaurants is factored in.
 

lazyboy97o

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It is an informed but partial view which is the point you are failing to humbly acknowledge. In fact, to claim one's construction or project or map-reading expertise gives license to claim a company closed an attraction early is to not respect the dozens of other functional experts needed to weigh in on that kind of decision.

Nobody is claiming you or others are not special or unfamiliar with some relevant "factors" -- they're correctly pointing out that it's not just your expertise and those "factors" that matter here
Ah yes, the old, “You must not be considering something”. Beautiful really. A open-ended, vague demand to prove a negative. Especially since the argument is that this work is not being driven by construction needs and was driven by other factors. It’s those who don’t know construction insisting it must be related to construction needs. So what factors were ignored?

Decisions aren’t made in some sort of weird isolation where each disciplines is somehow isolated from the other and evenly weighed. Most of your list of different types of expertise are not as distinct as you are trying to make them out to be, with an architect ticking most of those boxes.
 

lazyboy97o

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Disney, like a lot of large corporations, has many committees who hold meeting after meeting after meeting to make sometimes even the smallest decisions. The idea that Iger is sitting on a throne in Burbank making proclamations is simply not true.
Iger isn’t the only level of executive who can just come in and demand changes, completely upending a project. They even give up revenue to facilitate such decisions.
 

Casper Gutman

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It is an informed but partial view which is the point you are failing to humbly acknowledge. In fact, to claim one's construction or project or map-reading expertise gives license to claim a company closed an attraction early is to not respect the dozens of other functional experts needed to weigh in on that kind of decision.

Nobody is claiming you or others are not special or unfamiliar with some relevant "factors" -- they're correctly pointing out that it's not just your expertise and those "factors" that matter here
Nobody knows everything so nobody knows anything. That’s means we can make up whatever garbage we want to and pretend it’s the truth.

How DARE someone be cynical (or, ya know, realistic) about the motives and operations of major corporations, the last truly holy institutions in America.

You are correct that we have too many pseudo-experts with Tik Tok channels or podcasts who “just ask questions” but reject answers they don’t like and use an “aw shucks” attitude to mask towering arrogance.
 

CoasterCowboy67

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It is only a construction zone because Disney wanted it to be one.

They could have done this later if they wanted to, they just didn't. Maybe it was to save money on construction, maybe it was to save operational costs, maybe it had nothing to do with money at all, we don't know, but it didn't HAVE to be done now.
Disney doesn't HAVE to open on Thursdays or sell cheeseburgers, either. Except they do, and they do have to start construction on Monsters Inc. land when shareholders are asking them how they're going to compete with the likes of Epic Universe and stay current with customer preferences.

Although technically and factually true they don't HAVE to do much, it's being presented as a malicious or cruel choice. As if this decision happened in some looooong board room, Iger sitting on a throne at the end of the table, representatives from every division -- finance, construction, safety, environmental, etc. -- all meekly pleading to build the coaster building first while the show stays open for another 9 months and Iger just angrily yells "F--- those Muppets fans...we're closing that show NOW"

I mean, c'mon team lol
 

lazyboy97o

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Disney doesn't HAVE to open on Thursdays or sell cheeseburgers, either. Except they do, and they do have to start construction on Monsters Inc. land when shareholders are asking them how they're going to compete with the likes of Epic Universe and stay current with customer preferences.

Although technically and factually true they don't HAVE to do much, it's being presented as a malicious or cruel choice. As if this decision happened in some looooong board room, Iger sitting on a throne at the end of the table, representatives from every division -- finance, construction, safety, environmental, etc. -- all meekly pleading to build the coaster building first while the show stays open for another 9 months and Iger just angrily yells "F--- those Muppets fans...we're closing that show NOW"

I mean, c'mon team lol
That’s a boba sized straw man.
 

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