MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[AidenRodriguez731]

I didn’t ask about hourly capacity…

Dining closed in 1994 and since still has not been fully replaced nearly three decades later. It is an area where the park is incredibly short on capacity. Seriously addressing the capacity crisis would mean addressing the dining capacity too.

Would the new dining in Villians not be a better solution than what? Opening up the little stall on TSI?

Also "benchmark attractions per guest per hour that you used to determine this number"???

 

[lazyboy97o]

Would the new dining in Villians not be a better solution than what? Opening up the little stall on TSI?

I didn’t mention or refer to Aunt Polly’s… Villains might finally replace the lost Adventureland Verandah and Tomorrowland Terrace capacity, but the park would still need more.

 

[el_super]

The attractions were not underutilized. In fact they moved thousand+ per hour because of their capacity.

They didn't. That's why they were closed.

They could have been used to sell LL, if they were pulling near 80-90% of their capacity. If they were in demand. They weren't.

 

[Agent H]

The first plans I saw to remove the island and riverboat were created while Eisner was still CEO. Long before anyone planned to monetize LL.

Any chance you can elaborate on that? I’m not doubting you.
I’m really asking.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Theoretically many do. But many in actuality do not.

You keep crunching numbers that do not exist and land does not correlate.
If they did, theme parks would just constantly build the same ride systems, sacrifice experience or variety and it would be a bummer.

Frontierland is about to become a land of three outdoor E tickets with height requirements dependent on whether.

Objectively, much more so than before.


And that is without the obvious theme faux pas.

I'm crunching the numbers based on generally agreed upon capacity from wayy before this argument, will being incredibly generous to say that ever trip of the riverboat is full to capacity, which I know it's not.

Frontierland is going to be a land of 3 outdoor E tickets, 1 inside show, 1 all age family ride. Are we really pretending that the rafts didn't close during weather? 5 attractions in 1 land is not bad at all. Plus "variety"?? Since when is MK at a shortage of boat rides??? What? Sure it's a different system but at that point, so is both the new systems coming to the area anyway

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I didn’t mention or refer to Aunt Polly’s… Villains might finally replace the lost Adventureland Verandah and Tomorrowland Terrace capacity, but the park would still need more.

So it's irrelevant to the argument about replacing TSI because I'm talking about maximizing capacity at that plot of land. The best way to start with that capacity increase would surely be to take over existing capacity? Also the Adventureland Verrandah was replaced with Skipper Canteen, another restaurant?

I haven't noticed a discernible food problem at MK when I was there as I was able to get all of my orders easily within about 5-6 minutes or less? I don't think there's this huge problem you consider it but the answer would be more replacements anyway. I would love to recommend a Carousel of Progress themed restaurant actually over by Tommorrowland terrace perhaps. A rotating menu of favorites from different eras + an experimental "new" menu with present/future dishes sounds like a fun idea.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Also "benchmark attractions per guest per hour that you used to determine this number"???

Are you unfamiliar with the metric that is key to determining a park’s design day capacity?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Are you unfamiliar with the metric that is key to determining a park’s design day capacity?

I am yes, always willing to be educated though

 

[lazyboy97o]

So it's irrelevant to the argument about replacing TSI because I'm talking about maximizing capacity at that plot of land. The best way to start with that capacity increase would surely be to take over existing capacity? Also the Adventureland Verrandah was replaced with Skipper Canteen, another restaurant?

I haven't noticed a discernible food problem at MK when I was there as I was able to get all of my orders easily within about 5-6 minutes or less? I don't think there's this huge problem you consider it but the answer would be more replacements anyway. I would love to recommend a Carousel of Progress themed restaurant actually over by Tommorrowland terrace perhaps. A rotating menu of favorites from different eras + an experimental "new" menu with present/future dishes sounds like a fun idea.

No, the best way to deal with lost capacity is to fill it in and not induce additional demand.

The Skipper’s Canteen did not use the entire Adventureland Verandah space. It is also a table service. With the same square footage, a table service restaurant has ½ - ⅓ the hourly capacity of a quick service venue, something you should know if you’re telling us what is and is not with capacities.

 

[el_super]

I’m advocating for it because even if it’s not the most popular attraction, it still has a place in the park. Not every square inch of the park needs to be taken up by an attraction.

Not every area of the park needs to be an attraction. Yes that is true. But then why can't I point to the unkempt wilderness beyond the railroad as part of the quiet park experience that is still there and available? You like quiet areas and trees.. it's all still out there.

Some areas could be used more for theming. Disney has been raising prices for years and I sincerely doubt all of those price increases are because of maintenance needed for RoA;

All of the price increases? No. But paying to maintain space that isn't being utilized is definitely part of the admission cost. In addition to paying to keep the underutilized areas running, not utilizing already suitable land for new attractions drives up attraction construction costs dramatically.

Stitch’s Great Escape is just sitting there, why don’t they replace that? Guests are paying for that too but not using it? At least the river offers something visually appealing, unlike an empty building.

They will eventually replace it.

Fans would also like more attractions instead of World Showcase Lagoon. And it’ll make more money. Doesn’t that mean they should do it?

They probably will someday.

You still haven’t provided a reason for how Cars fits thematically into Frontierland, just that it makes financial sense.

Literally means nothing. They could just remove the Frontierland signs or rename the area or decide that they want to abolish themed lands entirely. These rules mean nothing and it makes no difference.

I grew up going to Disney World, not Disneyland. So why should I have to go there?

You can go to Paris or Tokyo too.

 

[monothingie]

To be fair…. I do believe the insiders who say the rivers have been eyed for replacement for many years - before LL was an even a twinkle in Iger’s eye.

I’m sure many plans have been considered - I had hoped the success of Disneyland would make that the clear winner.

And there was a time in which an E ticket roller coaster was figured for spaceship earth.

Between Muppet vision and the liberty Belle these were large capacity attractions that were eliminated because they weren’t capable of generating the additional sweet, sweet lightning Lane revenue.

But hey, with cars land, we’ve got something that probably has half the capacity if even but plenty of lightning Lane revenue.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And there was a time in which an E ticket roller coaster was figured for spaceship earth.

Don’t remind me! They even trademarked the name. They would have done it if they could.

 

[psherman42]

Not every area of the park needs to be an attraction. Yes that is true. But then why can't I point to the unkempt wilderness beyond the railroad as part of the quiet park experience that is still there and available? You like quiet areas and trees.. it's all still out there.








All of the price increases? No. But paying to maintain space that isn't being utilized is definitely part of the admission cost. In addition to paying to keep the underutilized areas running, not utilizing already suitable land for new attractions drives up attraction construction costs dramatically.




They will eventually replace it.



They probably will someday.




Literally means nothing. They could just remove the Frontierland signs or rename the area or decide that they want to abolish themed lands entirely. These rules mean nothing and it makes no difference.



You can go to Paris or Tokyo too. Although I

So use the land outside the park and leave what is actually in the park for guests to enjoy and add ambience, instead of just tearing out RoA for more concrete and fancy rock work?

Stitch has been empty for YEARS. The fact that that is still empty but they’re paving over RoA, an area that people probably didn’t actually complain about despite what people say in here, is actually embarrassing. Tomorrowland deserved a reimagining way before Frontierland needed one.

It actually does when it’s called Frontierland? But I guess since you say it doesn’t matter, that means you don’t have one. If they were going to gut one of the central parts of the park, they could have at least found an IP that actually belonged.

 

[monothingie]

The boat and the island did not “move thousands+ per hour” Not even close. And they were massively underutilized.

The first plans I saw to remove the island and riverboat were created while Eisner was still CEO. Long before anyone planned to monetize LL.

Im not saying you have to support the decision to close the attractions or the choice of IP for their replacements.

Eisner was too decades ago and nothing happened. It was only when the drug known as lightning lane revenue was injected into the brain trust at Disney did all of this change.

 

[psherman42]

And there was a time in which an E ticket roller coaster was figured for spaceship earth.

Between Muppet vision and the liberty Belle these were large capacity attractions that were eliminated because they weren’t capable of generating the additional sweet, sweet lightning Lane revenue.

But hey, with cars land, we’ve got something that probably has half the capacity if even but plenty of lightning Lane revenue.

Oh my gosh, I’d forgotten about Project Gemini.

 

[peter11435]

Between Muppet vision and the liberty Belle these were large capacity attractions that were eliminated because they weren’t capable of generating the additional sweet, sweet lightning Lane revenue.

But hey, with cars land, we’ve got something that probably has half the capacity if even but plenty of lightning Lane revenue.

The Cars attraction alone will have higher capacity than the boat, and that’s before you factor in the other three attraction the park will gain.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And the capacity it did have was barely being utilized

About 1/3rd I’m guessing?

 

[peter11435]

OK big boy what was the capacity?

You know it all, spell it out for the rest of us.

Eisner was too decades ago and nothing happened. It was only when the drug known as lightning lane revenue was injected into the brain trust at Disney did all of this change.

The max capacity for the boat was 900 per hour. And it hasn’t even came close to that in normal operation for a very very long time.

There have been numerous plans to remove these underperforming attractions over the last nearly three decades.

 

[monothingie]

There you go again. The Liberty Belle was not a large capacity attraction. And the capacity it did have was barely being utilized. Stop lying to make your point.

The Cars attraction alone will have higher capacity than the boat, and that’s before you factor in the other three attraction the park will gain.

All able to be monetized. You keep dancing around that for some reason. I wonder why…

 

[monothingie]

There have been numerous plans to remove these underperforming attractions over the last nearly three decades.

And it never happened because they were some of the most iconic attractions of the park.

Name somethings that’s changed that.