Walt Disney – A Magical Life

[Disstevefan1]

For the record, I think I'm sold. Here is official Disney content ride-through of Tiana in DL on Disney+. They're not even checking their own content before posting. Edit: While I can't link to D+, I promise this is NOT this poster's video. It is indeed the official ride-through posted on D+. First Walt's face. Now this. Wow. Just wow.

At least they are presenting an accurate video

 

[JohnD]

Yes, everything should be working. But man, how many people outside of hardcore fans are going to notice? Very few. And I really can't believe that anyone's viewing would be destroyed by this.

It's Disneyland's 70th anniversary and they post half-a**ed stuff. It took multiple viewers half a second to notice a malfunctioning AA. Why not Disney before posting, not to YouTube, but their paid streaming site, Disney+? If this technology were around when Walt was alive, he wouldn't never have allowed it to be added. For him, either it's right or it wouldn't be presented to the public. How times have changed.

 

[Disney Irish]

What would any of us do? Hummmmmm

I guess just accept it and end this discussion. Is that the end game ? Was it you (sincere question) that said since we are not AA experts so we should not comment? Not sure if it was but someone said that. Even if we were experts, it would not within our means to correct it 'ourselves" so.... Your point is to accept it and just end this discussion of what they could have and should have done better.

I would rather critique and apply gentle pressure to do better in the hopes that next time..... They do.

Nope wasn't me talking about experts, so I think you have me confused with someone else. Though I do agree with them that we aren't experts so don't know the exact difficulties on this project. But I'm not against people giving their opinions.

Also I'm not trying to end the discussion. I'm just trying to understand what people want us to do if they don't want posters to accept and "settle". I wouldn't be posting responses if I was just trying to end the discussion. So again I think you have me confused with someone else.

And gentle pressure where and for what purpose? I assume you're talking about trying to apply pressure to Disney to change it, but how would we do that? That is what I'm trying to figure out what type of action that you want us to do here. What form of pressure are you thinking? And how and why would the several dozen people here have any impact?

Lastly if you hadn't picked up on it, I'm giving my critique as well. I'm not a fan of the face design, I think Disney can and should have done better. But I know that my opinion doesn't matter to Disney. They don't care what the several dozen people on this site say. So I don't know what pressure you think we can put on Disney here.

 

[flynnibus]

I find the comment about the Jack Sparrow animatronics interesting when the statement is "Well, Jack Sparrow is a character and that's why he looks good". We have tons of footage, high quality, closeups, of Jack Sparrow through multiple films... and again, even the worst animatronic is still Jack Sparrow/Johnny Depp.

They are still radically different tho as pointed out before...

Jack has a ton of costume around him.. bandana, braids, etc
Jack has exaggerated features like the mascara
Jack is setting on a dark, busy stage - not isolated under bright white lights in isolation
the size of figures on a stage like POTC isn't necessarily human size

The character itself is virtually a caricature... he always looks different than a midwestern grandfather.

Just like we think the pirates themselves look amazing - their faces really anything like trying to represent a basic white dude you saw on TV.

Even though Jack is a human live action character - he's still very different from representing a guy in a suit in the office.
It works in the attraction, but even side by side it has oddities... the point is the further you are away from the source material, the easier it is to buy into some of these deltas

The settings make a ton of difference. The Walt AA has one of the most demanding settings in terms of it's expectations and exposure.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Nope wasn't me talking about experts, so I think you have me confused with someone else. Though I do agree with them that we aren't experts so don't know the exact difficulties on this project. But I'm not against people giving their opinions.

Also I'm not trying to end the discussion. I'm just trying to understand what people want us to do if they don't want posters to accept and "settle". I wouldn't be posting responses if I was just trying to end the discussion. So again I think you have me confused with someone else.

And gentle pressure where and for what purpose? I assume you're talking about trying to apply pressure to Disney to change it, but how would we do that? That is what I'm trying to figure out what type of action that you want us to do here. What form of pressure are you thinking? And how and why would the several dozen people here have any impact?

Lastly if you hadn't picked up on it, I'm giving my critique as well. I'm not a fan of the face design, I think Disney can and should have done better. But I know that my opinion doesn't matter to Disney. They don't care what the several dozen people on this site say. So I don't know what pressure you think we can put on Disney here.

I agree Disney doesn't care about a lot of things (see the ugly planter and broken in ground lighting in EPCOT) but I am guessing there is more than several dozen people who think Walt's face doesn't look right.

And I agree, Disney wont be fixing Walt's face. It is what it is.

I (hope) someday they will fix the in ground lighting around that ugly planter in EPCOT.

 

[Disney Irish]

I agree Disney doesn't care about a lot of things (see the ugly planter and broken in ground lighting in EPCOT) but I am guessing there is more than several dozen people who think Walt's face doesn't look right.

And I agree, Disney wont be fixing Walt's face. It is what it is.

I (hope) someday they will fix the in ground lighting around that ugly planter in EPCOT.

Well the hope is that with future refurbs and such will result in attempts to update the face. Just like other attractions get updates.

And it probably is that there are more than several dozen people that think it doesn't look right, and again I'm one of them. However we here don't have any metrics to determine that. We have the number of posters in this thread. And I would say at most its a couple dozen people, which was my point.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Disney Analyst]

I dunno. The more I get used to seeing the AA… the more it looks like Walt to me? I think the uncanny feeling is going, and I’m starting to suspend belief a bit.

 

[mickEblu]

I dunno. The more I get used to seeing the AA… the more it looks like Walt to me? I think the uncanny feeling is going, and I’m starting to suspend belief a bit.

Yeah it certainly gets less jarring. It’s not that it’s starting to look more like Walt though. It’s that our mind is starting to accept that that is what a Walt animatronic looks like. Instead of comparing to Walts real face you begin to accept the Walt AA for what it is.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

 

[Captain Barbossa]

He’s been out of cryopreservation for too long. Time to put him back in the chamber.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s that our mind is starting to accept that that is what a Walt animatronic looks like. Instead of comparing to Walts real face you begin to accept the Walt AA for what it is.

And I think this is a good place to be overall. Its not Walt, and probably will never look like Walt enough to be fully realistic. But its acceptable as an AA version of Walt, and I think that is a healthy way to look at it.

This is how I hope I'll feel tomorrow when I see it in person.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Impressive how quickly the system realizes it went wrong, and lights go out and curtains close. They don’t want a frozen Tiana moment for Walt.

 

[mickEblu]

And I think this is a good place to be overall. Its not Walt, and probably will never look like Walt enough to be fully realistic. But its acceptable as an AA version of Walt, and I think that is a healthy way to look at it.

This is how I hope I'll feel tomorrow when I see it in person.

I mean it’s a better place to be than where I was yesterday but I have to pushback on the notion that it will never look enough like Walt. If Walt 2.0 were to take the same leap that Trump 2.0 took I think I’d be happy enough with that.

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean it’s a better place to be than where I was yesterday but I have to pushback on the notion that it will never look enough like Walt. If Walt 2.0 were to take the same leap that Trump 2.0 took I think I’d be happy enough with that.

I still don't agree with the Trump 2.0, but appreciate the sentiment.

And yes an update with an improvement would be a happy event.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Call 911!!!

 

[Yidsid2020]

If you squint your eyes and stand on your head in the back of the theater in front of a 6’5” dude wearing Mickey ears, it doesn’t look so bad.

It probably would look even better if you stood next to Tom Sawyer's island...

 

[Disney Analyst]

Yeah it certainly gets less jarring. It’s not that it’s starting to look more like Walt though. It’s that our mind is starting to accept that that is what a Walt animatronic looks like. Instead of comparing to Walts real face you begin to accept the Walt AA for what it is.

Interesting, was just watching MiceChat's live right now, and they were just discussing how the face has changed already since Monday. His face looks different, skin texture has changed, face is a bit slimmer. What we are seeing now is a short couple day fix, and will get better fixes later.

Dusty watched the show last night with the lead Imagineer for it, and shared his concerns, and they are listening fully, and aware. Mentioned that like all things at Disney, it's always a work in progress, sometimes they are just incapable of doing more, until a bigger fix can come.

They are also now doing a speech before the show now, giving more context. Explains that Iger is the narrator, and this is original audio from Walt, and the quality varies per clip, as it is pulled from various places.

He says they listen to what is said online, and take it to heart, that even some of the Imagineers who worked on the project were slightly hurt, as they put so much effort into the show and exhibit, and all anyone wants to discuss is the 3 minute Walt part of it. But they understand if they fix the 3 minute segment, people will be talking about more of the show.

 

[mickEblu]

Interesting, was just watching MiceChat's live right now, and they were just discussing how the face has changed already since Monday. His face looks different, skin texture has changed, face is a bit slimmer. What we are seeing now is a short couple day fix, and will get better fixes later.

Dusty watched the show last night with the lead Imagineer for it, and shared his concerns, and they are listening fully, and aware. Mentioned that like at all things at Disney, it's always a work in progress, sometimes they are just incapable of doing more, until a bigger can come.

They are also now doing a speech before the show now, giving more context. Explains the Iger is the narrator, and this is original audio from Walt, and the quality varies per clip, as it is pulled from various places.

He says they listen to what is said online, and take it to heart, that even some of the Imagineers who worked on the project were slightly hurt, as they put so much effort into the show and exhibit, and all anyone wants to discuss is the 3 minute Walt part of it. But they understand if they fix the 3 minute segment, people will be talking about more of the show.

You’re kidding. They’ve actually made updates to it already? Ok I need to take a look and see if I can notice the changes.

While I appreciate them striving for better why do they need our negative reviews to do so? I have to assume they knew he didn’t look great before they shared him with the world. If not, that’s even more concerning.

 

[Disney Analyst]

You’re kidding. They’ve actually made updates to it already? Ok I need to take a look and see if I can notice the changes.

While I appreciate them striving for better why do they need our negative reviews to do so? I have to assume they knew he didn’t look great before they shared him with the world. If not, that’s even more concerning.

I will say, sometimes when you work on something long enough, the vision gets blurry, and it can take outsiders to wake you up and see that fixes need to be made.

But I think they were aware somewhat, but didn't have a fix ready yet. Maybe why it was pushed to July 17th... and they were stuck with that date, no matter what.