MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[AidenRodriguez731]

Restrooms “keep water in the park.”

Okay are we so far gone that we're comparing restrooms to the waterways, waterfalls, and geysers shown because if so, I think you spent too much time in one.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You have it backwards, people show a company interest in a product by showing up.
Of course they could have kept it but don’t think it was a wise use of resources. They could have also built a 5 mile long people mover to get guests to Animal kingdom lodge but decided not to. You want them to cater to you and those with the same nostalgia, and that’s fine but you shouldn’t be surprised given the lack of enthusiasm/visitation by paying customers we saw the last weeks of TSIs existence.

The best thing Disney could do in terms of cost and mass appeal is fill in the area and build an outdoor roller coaster on the site. If you don’t want that then you just want them to cater to you.

 

[psherman42]

I didn't say you couldn't enjoy the ROA. I said that half of it is not visible for most guests which is true. The moat around the castle and through Adventure land isn't at the same grand scale as ROA but it keeps water in the parks and with the addition of the water around Piston Peak, should still keep the aesthetics and the park cooling.

We don’t actually know there will be water in Piston Peak.

 

[mlayton144]

But it is a wise use of resources to stick a cars attraction in Frontierland? I’m not even that upset about TSI. I’m mostly upset about the loss of the river. If they announced this expansion and it started at TSI preserving the entire front of the river along the walkway, I probably would be okay. But there is no way whatever they stick there will match the ambience that the river provided, especially when most of the area will probably be taken up by an attraction so you can’t *really enjoy it unless you’re on the ride.

I also don’t expect to be catered to, but it would be nice if they didn’t just take any IP and shoehorn it into an area where it doesn’t belong, while simultaneously paving over the only real part of MK that feels like a park in favor of concrete. Like I said, people would have visited and enjoyed the new cars area regardless of where they put it, it wasn’t contingent on them destroying RoA.

I guess we will just have to see the finished product - I think it has potential , unfortunately we have to wait

 

[easyrowrdw]

I don’t think this is any more productive than when you just laughed at people.

 

[Brer Panther]

The thought that if they want to visit Disneyland, they should actually travel to it like everyone else is just unfathomable.

To be fair, a lot of these people live pretty far from California and plane tickets are expensive.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

We don’t actually know there will be water in Piston Peak.

It seems odd that there is water explicitly mentioned about 6 times in Disney's press release with an updated map making the previously existing water in the Blue Sky more obvious with water wrapping around the entire land and new water features and an explicit highlight on a showscene involving this water. But sure. Water is not technically there yet.

 

[ChrisFL]

This very obviously unserious position - pretending the Jungle Cruise River and RoA are equivalent - is an example of the “each element taken in isolation with no consideration of its place in the larger whole” philosophy taken to an absurd extreme.

Reminds me that the missing fountain in Epcot....technically Journey of Water replaced a building with one that had a lot of "water" elements, but it isn't a replacement for the fountain

 

[mlayton144]

The best thing Disney could do in terms of cost and mass appeal is fill in the area and build an outdoor roller coaster on the site. If you don’t want that then you just want them to cater to you.

Nonsense , that’s why they won’t be doing that

 

[psherman42]

It seems odd that there is water explicitly mentioned about 6 times in Disney's press release with an updated map making the previously existing water in the Blue Sky more obvious with water wrapping around the entire land and new water features and an explicit highlight on a showscene involving this water. But sure. Water is not technically there yet.

There was also a fountain in the concept art of World Celebration at Epcot.

 

[Chi84]

There was also a fountain in the concept art of World Celebration at Epcot.

But wouldn’t it make sense to wait to see whether the planned water happens instead of getting all worked up about the possibility that it won’t happen?

 

[plutofan15]

I don’t think this is any more productive than when you just laughed at people.

In my opinion it was a ridiculous statement, while certainly entitled to his opinion, the concept art was neither hastily put together nor last minute. Thus the eye roll. Thanks for letting me know how you feel.

 

[ChrisFL]

But wouldn’t it make sense to wait to see whether the planned water happens instead of getting all worked up about the possibility that it won’t happen?

We have historically lowered expectations due to past projects. Also it will be YEARS before we see this open.

 

[Casper Gutman]

We have historically lowered expectations due to past projects. Also it will be YEARS before we see this open.

I think there will be some water in the project, but it won’t create anything like the sense of openness or “frontier” the area used to feature. Look at Grizzly Peaks - there’s water, even some very pretty spots, but the overall effect is one of narrowness, of closed and confined spaces.

It should also be noted that Disney World is removing or reducing water features at a frantic pace - the rivers in the MK hub, the EPCOT fountain, the Pirates fountains, the centerpiece of the Polynesian, etc. there is a definite pattern here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Nonsense , that’s why they won’t be doing that

It is the truth no matter how much you don’t wish to recognize it. They’re not doing it because there is still some recognition that there is no Vulcan-like, purely rational way to run a business, especially something like a theme park that is built around things that don’t directly drive revenue. But also, Villains land is going to have a coaster. The panic about the failure of Next Gen to not somehow remove the need for capacity resulted in a roller coaster being dropped into the Magic Kingdom. The big thing chosen to signify a new, Evolved Epcot was a roller coaster. The capacity constraints of Disney’s Hollywood Studios are being addressed now with a roller coaster. They’re not fully down the rabbit hole of just phoning it in, but Walt Disney World of late has absolutely recognized the unique power of the roller coaster to juice the numbers.

 

[psherman42]

But wouldn’t it make sense to wait to see whether the planned water happens instead of getting all worked up about the possibility that it won’t happen?

Because concept art has changed on past projects so why should we expect to be any different? And given how World Celebration/Communicore Hall turned out, I think it’s better for expectations to be low. I also just don’t believe even if they do have a small stream along the walkway that it’ll come anywhere close to what is there now, which includes the loss of the Liberty Belle.

 

[psherman42]

I think there will be some water in the project, but it won’t create anything like the sense of openness or “frontier” the area used to feature. Look at Grizzly Peaks - there’s water, even some very pretty spots, but the overall effect is one of narrowness, of closed and confined spaces.

It should also be noted that Disney World is removing or reducing water features at a frantic pace - the rivers in the MK hub, the EPCOT fountain, the Pirates fountains, the centerpiece of the Polynesian, etc. there is a definite pattern here.

And a lot of the water is because of the rafting ride, which this will not have.

 

[mlayton144]

It is the truth no matter how much you don’t wish to recognize it. They’re not doing it because there is still some recognition that there is no Vulcan-like, purely rational way to run a business, especially something like a theme park that is built around things that don’t directly drive revenue. But also, Villains land is going to have a coaster. The panic about the failure of Next Gen to not somehow remove the need for capacity resulted in a roller coaster being dropped into the Magic Kingdom. The big thing chosen to signify a new, Evolved Epcot was a roller coaster. The capacity constraints of Disney’s Hollywood Studios are being addressed now with a roller coaster. They’re not fully down the rabbit hole of just phoning it in, but Walt Disney World of late has absolutely recognized the unique power of the roller coaster to juice the numbers.

Don’t disagree with you on that front with coasters which I could personably take or leave , I am expecting a beautiful landscape with this project and if they don’t deliver that they failed

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And yes there is less space to have rotting attractions in the most visited theme park in the world.

The Liberty Belle was not rotting - they just replaced the boiler (a very significant investment in steam powered vehicles) a few years ago. (Lest I be corrected…. It was 7 years…. which is recent for steam!)

In my opinion it was a ridiculous statement, while certainly entitled to his opinion, the concept art was neither hastily put together nor last minute. Thus the eye roll. Thanks for letting me know how you feel.

How do you know? There has been some conflicting reports about how long they spent on this idea.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don’t disagree with you on that front with coasters which I could personably take or leave , I am expecting a beautiful landscape with this project and if they don’t deliver that they failed

Which is your criteria and one that will not directly generate enthusiasm or get people to show up.