MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

However, that isn't the reality of a publicly traded company dealing with wildly changing interests, shrinking attention spans and increased competition from every direction for the limited time people have.

It would be interesting to do a legit study on what would actually be best for shareholders. We all know an immersive Star Wars hotel wasn’t. And it appears that Star Wars as a whole wasn’t since they cut it from Paris.

What type of insane statement is it that the most visited amusement park in the world has any potential at becoming a musuem?

And no, while personal opinions can vary, and there are morons who argue the world is flat, no one can argue WDW has always been a museum.

What makes it insane. Parts of the Magic Kingdom certainly qualify - Hall of Presidents being the most obvious. The steam train and riverboat were also museum quality pieces as is the horse drawn trolley (when it runs).

On opening day Tomorrowland has science museum style attractions - now it’s just COP that would count.

Also historic music is played daily - I don’t know anywhere else that offers both ragtime piano and barber shop quartet music on a daily basis.

if you have reasons that it can’t be called a museum I would be interested in hearing why.

 

[Chi84]

I didn't realize there were special requirements for posting in this thread. Thanks for the heads up!

There aren’t except there’s another thread on this very topic and the shirt doesn’t have anything to do with the cars attraction which is the subject of this thread.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

It would be interesting to do a legit study on what would actually be best for shareholders. We all know an immersive Star Wars hotel wasn’t. And it appears that Star Wars as a whole wasn’t since they cut it from Paris.


What makes it insane. Parts of the Magic Kingdom certainly qualify - Hall of Presidents being the most obvious. The steam train and riverboat were also museum quality pieces as is the horse drawn trolley (when it runs).

On opening day Tomorrowland has science museum style attractions - now it’s just COP that would count.

Also historic music is played daily - I don’t know anywhere else that offers both ragtime piano and barber shop quartet music on a daily basis.

if you have reasons that it can’t be called a museum I would be interested in hearing why.

I mean i could go through historical definitions of museums, but the stupidity of the argument is just boring. So i will just go with actual legal definition in Florida

“Museum” means a public or private not-for-profit agency or institution located in Florida and organized on a permanent basis for primarily educational, scientific, or aesthetic purposes, which owns or utilizes tangible objects, cares for them, and exhibits them to the public on a regular basis.

You can say a lot of things about WDW, but its primary purpose isn't education, and it surely isn't a not-for-profit

 

[Dranth]

It would be interesting to do a legit study on what would actually be best for shareholders. We all know an immersive Star Wars hotel wasn’t. And it appears that Star Wars as a whole wasn’t since they cut it from Paris.

Best for shareholders is going to be whatever maximizes revenue and minimizes costs while not sacrificing the future. That last part is where many companies seem to get tripped up either due to not understanding their customers as well as they think or just not caring because it will be another person’s problem to deal with down the line.

As for Star Wars, I don't think the idea of the hotel was bad, but the implementation certainly didn't work and at the price they were asking, it was beyond ridiculous. However, there is still a lot they could do with that IP that would be very popular, but giving it a rest post hotel and ST isn't the worst idea.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What makes it insane. Parts of the Magic Kingdom certainly qualify - Hall of Presidents being the most obvious. The steam train and riverboat were also museum quality pieces as is the horse drawn trolley (when it runs).

On opening day Tomorrowland has science museum style attractions - now it’s just COP that would count.

Also historic music is played daily - I don’t know anywhere else that offers both ragtime piano and barber shop quartet music on a daily basis.

if you have reasons that it can’t be called a museum I would be interested in hearing why.

Even on the side of museums, the definition of a museum isn’t something that is static and unchanging. The best museums continue to expand their collections. They rotate through collections, and expand collections. They host different events and temporary exhibits. Even history sites and buildings aren’t unchanging. Historic buildings that are museums will sometimes be renovated to shift their focus on different time periods and activities that have occurred there, at times in ways that definitely don’t go unnoticed.

Also, the TEA attendance report is theme parks and museums. That’s not some weird accident.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

As for Star Wars, I don't think the idea of the hotel was bad, but the implementation certainly didn't work and at the price they were asking, it was beyond ridiculous.

But no matter what it was bad for shareholders.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I mean i could go through historical definitions of museums, but the stupidity of the argument is just boring.

I don’t think there is any reason you need to continue calling my thoughts and ideas stupid and insane. I would kindly ask you to stop.

The legal definition in the state of Florida is not the same world-wide since for profit museums do exist.

And I could see the possibility of the Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit - I wish parts of Disneyland has stayed in the family so they could be part of the Disney Family Museum!

Also - google refers to Walt Disney Presents as a museum - you better report them! Haha.

“History museum on the life of Walt Disney featuring photos, models, sketches & a short documentary.”

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I don’t think there is any reason you need to continue calling my thoughts and ideas stupid and insane. I would kindly ask you to stop.

The legal definition in the state of Florida is not the same world-wide since for profit museums do exist.

And I could see the possibility of the Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit - I wish parts of Disneyland has stayed in the family so they could be part of the Disney Family Museum!

Also - google refers to Walt Disney Presents as a museum - you better report them! Haha.

“History museum on the life of Walt Disney featuring photos, models, sketches & a short documentary.”

Inane or insane statements will continue to be called such. Personal opinions are one thing, but absolute bollocks deserved to be called out.

Such as the legal definition in Florida, not being relevant to someone's statement that they could see WDW....which is in Florida. I don't care what you wish for, or what museums can be in other places. WDW is in Florida.

As to the statement that you could see Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit. Honestly the flat earther argument has more validity than that statement.

 

[Chi84]

Inane or insane statements will continue to be called such. Personal opinions are one thing, but absolute bollocks deserved to be called out.

Such as the legal definition in Florida, not being relevant to someone's statement that they could see WDW....which is in Florida. I don't care what you wish for, or what museums can be in other places. WDW is in Florida.

As to the statement that you could see Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit. Honestly the flat earther argument has more validity than that statement.

Why argue if you have such a low opinion of what’s being said? The “ignore” button works better.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

As to the statement that you could see Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit. Honestly the flat earther argument has more validity than that statement.

Many tourist attractions operate as non-profits including the Henry ford which inspired Disneyland.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Inane or insane statements will continue to be called such. Personal opinions are one thing, but absolute bollocks deserved to be called out.

Such as the legal definition in Florida, not being relevant to someone's statement that they could see WDW....which is in Florida. I don't care what you wish for, or what museums can be in other places. WDW is in Florida.

As to the statement that you could see Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit. Honestly the flat earther argument has more validity than that statement.

What’s stupid is thinking Florida’s statutory definitions are somehow relevant to a concept that exists beyond and untethered to Florida.

 

[el_super]

I don’t think mentioning the monetary benefits for TWDC is the winning argument you think it is. Instead it just reiterates the idea that Disney doesn’t care about theme and atmosphere but makes decisions based solely on financial benefits.

Of course it is. Disney only benefits financially by keeping their customers happy and coming back. They know that and they work towards decisions that will keep them spending on admissions.

Cars absolutely will do that. New attractions usually do, but something that is designed as a massive new addition with all the detailing and cohesion thought out in advanced is what the audience is looking for. Bringing up the thrill elements on a new ride system is just icing on the cake.

If there was a way to keep the river, and continue making money off that, I'm sure Disney would choose the cheaper route and NOT develop the land. They are spending the money because they have to. Because the audience at large doesn't want the river any longer. They have no need for it.

Disney only wins here by making the larger audience happy.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If there was a way to keep the river, and continue making money off that, I'm sure Disney would choose the cheaper route and NOT develop the land.

is the argument that California needs Fantasmic for guest flow (which in turn makes money) ? Cause I see that angle.

I guess it’s good that Disneyland is so crowded and needs F! - if it saved the rivers.

 

[flynnibus]

It should be more "Walt actually knew what the hell he was doing so his logic should be emulated and his choices and reasoning carefully considered".

Sorry - this is a central flaw of the WWWD mentality. It presumes what Walt did before, should always carry forward. 'emulating' him is the exact opposite of what Walt did.. he ran from duplicating his own work and choices. He focused on moving forward and wasn't shy from literally leaving what he had done to pursue his next vision.

That's what was dooming the company through the 70s... by always trying to analyze everything through their Walt analog, they locked themselves into what Walt had already considered and done.. and when the world was changing or they faced things Walt hadn't... they didn't know what to do or failed to advance. It's why the company got stale and their cultural significance faltered as they failed to adapt.

What one must do is understand his reasoning and learn from it - not strive to emulate him.. because then you trap yourself into only repeating what was previously done. Learning means to take the principals an apply them to new scenarios and being able to self-assess and adapt. You study and learn from his rational and then apply it to your time and place.

What Walt did that many could not do it is pivot and not be shy about experimenting and learning from it.

You can't be a visionary and progressive if you always apply the rules or standards taken from a different context.

 

[plutofan15]

When I read through this thread, why do I get the feeling that I am trapped in a Stealers Wheel song??

 

[el_super]

is the argument that California needs Fantasmic for guest flow (which in turn makes money) ? Cause I see that angle.

I guess it’s good that Disneyland is so crowded and needs F! - if it saved the rivers.

Absolutely. Fantasmic gives people a reason to stay in the park later. More time in the park means more meals and snacks sold.

 

[flynnibus]

Disney (now more than ever) is always on the forefront of political correctness and. environmental issues…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park? I know they always look to send the RIGHT message…is this it? Just wondering…

"stay on the trails" -- enough said

Disney isn't going to be showboating people cutting their own trails or tearing up terrain.

 

[Disstevefan1]

As to the statement that you could see Disney Parks being operated as a non-profit.

Disney's movie business operates as a non-profit

Disney's theme park business must make money to finance Disney's movie business

 

[James Alucobond]

Disney's movie business operates as a non-profit

Said on the day Lilo & Stitch surpassed $1 billion.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Said on the day Lilo & Stitch surpassed $1 billion.

The winky means it was a joke, its in my signature.

I have to hand it to Disney when they turn something that was going to be on Disney+ (a pure cost) into a 1B money maker at the box office - Good show Disney!

Seriously, I do think Disney's movie business will be in the black for 2025 when you add everything up; winners making up for the losers.