DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[lentesta]

I want to ask two question if possible:
1. Based off of what you've seen for the Encanto and Indiana Jones rides, what do you think will be the "fan-favorite" ride of the two?
2. In the Encanto ride concept art (see below), there appears to be water just below the Tapirs next to Camilo, is there anything from what you've seen that could indicate there will be actual water features in the ride, or is the water here just either just for concept or will be fake?

1. I think they're both going to be popular. Definitely more popular than what was there before. The Indy ride will have actual Maya stories in it - the exterior temple design tells a story based on real Maya gods, and that story is continued in the attraction. So that's going to appeal to the "keep the theme in theme parks" folks and people who like thrill rides. (Apologies if you've heard this before, but I went to the Maya archaeology conference where Imagineering presented their work for the ride. Here's a blog post on it with slides from Imagineering's presentation.)

Encanto's going to appeal to people who want a kid-friendly, long, indoor dark ride with a catchy soundtrack. And people who like big, detailed dark rides. I think I said upstream that this feels a lot like Runaway Railway, and I love Runaway Railway.

2. I'm not sure what scene that concept art is from - I'm guessing the finale or the "goodbye" scene before unload.

I don't see anything about water features in the attraction. I can look for pipe runs the next time I have the docs open. But definitely nothing obvious like a show scene named "Rainforest" or callouts like "Water pools go here" are mentioned.

 

[lentesta]

Well I guess my question was more “Does the Encanto ride actually emphasize animals and nature?” as opposed to being more like a movie book report (and many here argue it will be).

Ah, got it. There's a show scene dedicated to Isabela. I'm guessing this will show flowers growing.

There's also a show scene that involves weather, so I'm guessing that's Pepa.

So yes, a substantial portion of the ride talks about the family's relationship with nature.

Thanks for that question - really helped clarify for me what's going on there.

 

[Gremlin Gus]

1. I think they're both going to be popular. Definitely more popular than what was there before. The Indy ride will have actual Maya stories in it - the exterior temple design tells a story based on real Maya gods, and that story is continued in the attraction. So that's going to appeal to the "keep the theme in theme parks" folks and people who like thrill rides. (Apologies if you've heard this before, but I went to the Maya archaeology conference where Imagineering presented their work for the ride. Here's a blog post on it with slides from Imagineering's presentation.)

Encanto's going to appeal to people who want a kid-friendly, long, indoor dark ride with a catchy soundtrack. And people who like big, detailed dark rides. I think I said upstream that this feels a lot like Runaway Railway, and I love Runaway Railway.

Ok that's cool! I really do enjoy MMRR and Encanto so I think Encanto will be my favorite ride, but I'm probably biased lol. Though I'm also looking forward to the Indiana Jones ride as WDW really does need Indiana Jones ride that's not that stunt show in DHS

2. I'm not sure what scene that concept art is from - I'm guessing the finale or the "goodbye" scene before unload.

I don't see anything about water features in the attraction. I can look for pipe runs the next time I have the docs open. But definitely nothing obvious like a show scene named "Rainforest" or callouts like "Water pools go here" are mentioned.

Yeah I'm also guessing it's the "finale" scene or "goodbye", but yeah I do think that the water there might just be for the concept art or be fake.

Ah, got it. There's a show scene dedicated to Isabela. I'm guessing this will show flowers growing.

There's also a show scene that involves weather, so I'm guessing that's Pepa.

So yes, a substantial portion of the ride talks about the family's relationship with nature.

That's a relief to hear, though I do want to ask one more final question from me at least, You said a while back there will 12 distinct ride scenes in the ride (not including queue or load/unload), so if I'm counting correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), we only know of 5 (1. Isabela, 2. "Weather" (Pepa), 3. "Behind the Walls" (Bruno), 4. Finale (Antonio's Room) 5. Goodbye (maybe Antonio's room as well?).

So my question is this: will Mirabel, Julieta, Luisa, Dolores, Camilo, and Alma get their own showscenes rather it be with themselves or be merged with other characters (like Camilo and Dolores as a random example) since there's still 7 scenes we don't know of (if I'm counting correctly) and that would be enough to have each character its own showscene.

 

[Tha Realest]

The ride was always going to focus on Mirabel since she's the protagonist of the film and she's popular. If they made the ride about Antonio and the rest of the Madrigals are side characters in this ride, then it really doesn't work that well and it makes more sense for Mirabel to be the main character of the ride with the rest being side characters. And I'm sure Antonio will be involved in some way, sure maybe not the main character per say, but probably important like a sidekick if that makes any sense.


I mean yeah he is, sure he's not #1 most popular, but you get people who like him because he's a cute character and all.

They made a PatF attraction without Facilier and the male co-lead feels like a complete afterthought, so it’s best to not presume until we see more.

 

[Ayla]

Yes. I'm excited by all of Tropical Americas, including the Indy ride.

The Encanto building is massive, with tons of story elements. It might be like Runaway Railway is to DHS: not the headliner, but something I'll go on every time I'm in the park.

I really REALLY hope that massive building is disguised/covered in some way.

 

[lentesta]

So my question is this: will Mirabel, Julieta, Luisa, Dolores, Camilo, and Alma get their own showscenes rather it be with themselves or be merged with other characters (like Camilo and Dolores as a random example) since there's still 7 scenes we don't know of (if I'm counting correctly) and that would be enough to have each character its own showscene.

Good question. I don't know about the other characters. They don't have show scenes with their names in them, and the names of the show scenes aren't descriptive enough to narrow it down.

 

[Purduevian]

Ah, got it. There's a show scene dedicated to Isabela. I'm guessing this will show flowers growing.

There's also a show scene that involves weather, so I'm guessing that's Pepa.

So yes, a substantial portion of the ride talks about the family's relationship with nature.

Thanks for that question - really helped clarify for me what's going on there.

Since you have the plans... I'm curious more on some logistics stuff.

1) Do you know the ride system (and can you tell us)

2) Is this going to be atmospheric/Cocktail party with the show just always running and we see part of it (Pirates and Mansion) or will the action specifically take place to our ride vehicle (ala ROTR, frozen, MMRR, ect)

3) Any guesses to the ride time?

4) Any guesses on the PPH?

Thanks!

 

[lentesta]

I really REALLY hope that massive building is disguised/covered in some way.

It's built into a mountain, and the Madrigal home sits at the base of the mountain. Really well done.

 

[JackCH]

It's built into a mountain, and the Madrigal home sits at the base of the mountain. Really well done.

That's great to hear! Will really add to the land as a whole.

 

[lentesta]

Since you have the plans... I'm curious more on some logistics stuff.

1) Do you know the ride system (and can you tell us)

2) Is this going to be atmospheric/Cocktail party with the show just always running and we see part of it (Pirates and Mansion) or will the action specifically take place to our ride vehicle (ala ROTR, frozen, MMRR, ect)

3) Any guesses to the ride time?

4) Any guesses on the PPH?

Thanks!

1) It appears to be trains of cars. It doesn't appear to be an omnimover, trackless, or a water ride. Two cars per train. Two rows per car. Two or three people per car. (So 8-12 people per train?)

2) Not sure. It might be a mix. I suspect that Antonio's room might be vehicle-specific because arriving at his room has its own call-out. But that's a total guess.

3) You know, I asked an Imagineer about this and I forgot the answer. Let me go back and look. It was dividing the track length by whatever the standard speed (in feet per second) is for these kinds of things. Pretty straightforward.

4) I'm not sure about the dispatch time (or distance) between vehicles.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There's also a show scene that involves weather, so I'm guessing that's Pepa.

One of those living systems is the rainforest—home to the most amazing concentration of life on our planet. These dense and beautiful forests cover only a tiny portion of the Earth’s surface, but they contain more than half of its plant and animal species. Rainforests are also extremely rich in productive living systems, providing us with oxygen, food, medicine, and other elements essential to our lives.

 

[Purduevian]

1) It appears to be trains of cars. It doesn't appear to be an omnimover, trackless, or a water ride. Two cars per train. Two rows per car. Two or three people per car. (So 8-12 people per train?)

2) Not sure. It might be a mix. I suspect that Antonio's room might be vehicle-specific because arriving at his room has its own call-out. But that's a total guess.

3) You know, I asked an Imagineer about this and I forgot the answer. Let me go back and look. It was dividing the track length by whatever the standard speed (in feet per second) is for these kinds of things. Pretty straightforward.

4) I'm not sure about the dispatch time (or distance) between vehicles.

Thanks... I think the latest rumor I head was similar to "figment" ride system so that make sense!

Hopefully they can do at least a dispatch every 20 seconds for ~1,800 pph.

 

[mattpeto]

1) It appears to be trains of cars. It doesn't appear to be an omnimover, trackless, or a water ride. Two cars per train. Two rows per car. Two or three people per car. (So 8-12 people per train?)

2) Not sure. It might be a mix. I suspect that Antonio's room might be vehicle-specific because arriving at his room has its own call-out. But that's a total guess.

3) You know, I asked an Imagineer about this and I forgot the answer. Let me go back and look. It was dividing the track length by whatever the standard speed (in feet per second) is for these kinds of things. Pretty straightforward.

4) I'm not sure about the dispatch time (or distance) between vehicles.

Any guesses on where these will stack on the Lightning Lane front.

My guess is:

Encanto LLMP
Indy LLSP

These two attractions should be a massive improvement to Navi standby.

 

[FigmentFan82]

Any guesses on where these will stack on the Lightning Lane front.

My guess is:

Encanto LLMP
Indy LLSP

These two attractions should be a massive improvement to Navi standby.

I’d reverse that since Indy is reskin and not entirely “new” while Encanto is fully new

 

[Timothy_Q]

Tropical Americas will likely feel like the most well rounded land at DAK I think

Spinner, dark ride, thrill ride, playground, and an adjacent stage show that is/isn't part of the land

Apart from the missing animal enclosures, this is pretty much a perfect roster for a land

 

[Purduevian]

I’d reverse that since Indy is reskin and not entirely “new” while Encanto is fully new

I think they actually might make both LLMP in order to upsell that... LLMP is more expensive than LLSP and I can't imagine sales are great on that. Additionally I don't think AK MP can really support two SP attractions. I guess they could drop FOP to LLMP... but it seems like it will still be the biggest "wow" in the park.

 

[lazyboy97o]

3) You know, I asked an Imagineer about this and I forgot the answer. Let me go back and look. It was dividing the track length by whatever the standard speed (in feet per second) is for these kinds of things. Pretty straightforward.

4) I'm not sure about the dispatch time (or distance) between vehicles.

If there are no scene stops then yes, it is as simple as the speed and the length. The big caveat is loading.

You don’t need the dispatch time to calculate. Cycle time and total number of seats is enough information.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Any guesses on where these will stack on the Lightning Lane front.

My guess is:

Encanto LLMP
Indy LLSP

These two attractions should be a massive improvement to Navi standby.

My guess is both MP. Helps increase value for that (the AI price is always the lowest currently and this will get it more in line with EP/DHS) and Encanto should be pretty reliable and have high throughout so should be able to handle it

 

[DisneyHead123]

I’d reverse that since Indy is reskin and not entirely “new” while Encanto is fully new

I think these two might be neck and neck. Overall the mild thrill rides seem to dominate in terms of high demand, but Encanto incorporates a very popular IP. I know Indy isn’t “thrilling” in the sense of a roller coaster but it seems more intense than many of the Disney dark rides.

 

[flyerjab]

With this opening as one complete land instead of opening sections piecemeal, I wonder if there will be a sustained attendance bump for DAK again, similar to when Pandora opened.

Encanto is a popular IP for Disney and Indy is also popular, despite the recent poor box office performance.