MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Casper Gutman

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No, I don't consider any criticism of changes to be baseless. But I expect an argument beyond emotional/nostalgia-driven appeals or platitudes about what Walt would've done.

As another poster said, you seem to be setting up a straw man here by saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you is telling you to "step in line and love every change," because this is not a binary choice.



My thoughts on single-IP lands in castle parks: Why not? There's no reasonable rule, nor should there be, that the castle parks must retain the exact parameters from 70 years ago. Their designs and offerings have evolved with new iterations -- I don't see why if Disneyland Paris changed the formula by having Discoveryland instead of Tomorrowland in 1992 that the castle parks can't include single-IP lands now, and they already have in Shanghai and Hong Kong.

All that matters to me is the execution.
What is the “vision,” the unifying principles, of the Magic Kingdom that is currently being built? What gives it coherence?

If Disney built a full-size single-IP land in EPCOT, say where Wonders of Life is now - would that effect the sense of the overall park?
 

Gusey

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If Disney built a full-size single-IP land in EPCOT, say where Wonders of Life is now - would that effect the sense of the overall park?
Like on the scale of the Seas with Nemo and Friends?
For me, I can see the issue with single-IP lands in castle parks as Castle parks tend to have "category"lands, where an IP-based attraction has to fit in the overally theme of the land: Adventure, Wilderness, Fantasy, Future. But there is always a possibility to expand the castle parks to include new themes, even if that is through single-IPs. Luckily for WDW, and the thread we're on now, MK isn't getting any single-IP lands, and hasn't had one since Mickey's Toontown Fair was technically just themed to the Mickey and Friends IP, and the addition of Cars to Frontierland and a Villains-themed land means we're not likely to get a single-IP land at the MK for a long time
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
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There's no reasonable rule, nor should there be, that the castle parks must retain the exact parameters from 70 years ago. Their designs and offerings have evolved
I agree, but would also ask what exactly are the new parameters they are establishing?

Elements such as sight lines and fluid transitioning are now often (not always) sacrificed for location preference. And please know im not complaining. I still love and enjoy the parks.
 

Gusey

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You seem to be confused about the difference between “pavilion,” the organizing principle for the Worlds-Fair -inspired EPCOT, and “land.”
Dude, I was just asking you to clarify whether your land to replace Wonders of Life was on the same scale as the Seas Pavilion since that's a Single-IP pavilion of roughly the same size. There was no need to be so rude to somebody bothering to participate in your discussion. Just wanted the clarification, especially as Epcot doesn't have distinct lands, but pavilions within neighbourhoods.
 

TheMaxRebo

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Has there been confirmation there will be be a store
Or food by the cars ride land/addition? All this talk of merchandise made me curious.

No mention of it - all that was specifically highlighted was the off road rally ride, a smaller attractions, and a walking path by the rainbow pools

I would assume at least some merch, but when You Story Land opened they did have as much a I would have expected so who knows. Would think at least something in the exit to the off road rally ride (like TSM has or at least the small one like end of MMRR)

Food, I wouldn't expect anything major but maybe a stand or something. I don't think there will be a lot of "extra" room in this area for a full kitchen or anything, but we shall see
 

Casper Gutman

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Dude, I was just asking you to clarify whether your land to replace Wonders of Life was on the same scale as the Seas Pavilion since that's a Single-IP pavilion of roughly the same size. There was no need to be so rude to somebody bothering to participate in your discussion. Just wanted the clarification, especially as Epcot doesn't have distinct lands, but pavilions within neighbourhoods.
Your last sentence was the entire point.
 

Brer Oswald

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I’m around kids all the time and, while this is completely anecdotal, I think franchises like Cars are fading. It does have a small section near the Hotwheels in our Target but it’s tiny. Also, kids seem to cycle through their Disney (and Paw Patrol, Thomas, etc.) phase much faster these days so the market gets shrunk by shortening age spans. Ages 1 to about 5, anything goes. 5 to maybe 7, it’s all about super heroes (and a burgeoning interest in electronics) for boys and the other stuff might be seen as “babyish”. After 7 it’s mostly apps and video games, YouTubers, anime and such (Also, interestingly, with the internet kids can more easily go down rabbit holes with niche interests in much the same way adults can.) Maybe a bit of Star Wars as that’s seen as something for older kids, teens and adults. Again, anecdotal and just speaking to kids I’ve observed, of course.

I contrast that to growing up in the 80s, where I remember 5th grade boys being very into Hotwheels and Matchbox cars, and it wasn’t unheard of for girls to have Barbies at that age.
Cars is definitely fading. I don’t take pleasure in that since it was something near and dear to me that I grew up with. I’d argue most of the franchises Disney is currently promoting are either fading or never had longevity to begin with. Star Wars is a legacy brand, but they keep promoting the new stuff which isn’t what the fans care about. MCU had its time in the sun; the only Marvel brand that will outlast us all is Spider-Man. Frozen is still popular but not like it was in the 2010s.
 

Brer Oswald

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Thinking about how realistic or not this area will look from the outside, let's remember that Splash Mountain did not have an ultra realistic exterior.
It had a "cartoon mountain" exterior, and we were quite happy seeing it from Frontierland.
So, I have no issue if some peak of a mountain has a rock feature that resembles a piston.
I’d honestly prefer if it was a little less realistic and more stylized. Big Thunder isn’t exactly realistic, even if it’s inspired by reality. TBA isn’t “realistic” in that no bayou in the world looks like a mound of grass clippings, but the aesthetic of the ride itself definitely went for a more minimalistic realism angle and I think that was for the worse. Really, the main problem with Piston Peak (aside from losing the beautiful river) isn’t that the cars have eyes…it’s that there will be motorized vehicles at all. If it was instead an animatronic horse and wagon ride, or a canoe rapids ride, I feel as if there would be a lot less complaints. Frontierland would still be sticking within an identifiable time period.
 

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