Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[DKampy]

Based on Gunn (and his brother's comments), I assumed the film was going to be a woke mess and it wasn't. The political messaging was very subtle (although stupid ... the harem bit) and will fly faster than a speeding bullet past 99% of the viewing public. And that just makes the Gunn brothers' comments even more incredibly stupid and irresponsible. It was them simply trying to poke conservative Americans in the eye at the potential expense of the film's success (and frankly, the cinematic universe's success). Just inexcusable from a business perspective.

I disagree…. I think Gunn’s comments was deliberate and smart…. Touch on a hot button issue….get butts in the door… and if people enjoy it…. Word of mouth will do the rest.,,How many times have we heard people had no idea a film was released… well everyone knows Superman arrives this weekend… I believe the film will earn more Because of Gunn’s comments

I don’t think anyone is necessarily saying this iteration of Superman deals with Immigration…. but were referring to the history of the character

 

[Tha Realest]

One doesn't have to actually participate in such activities if one doesn't want to. One can actually shut their brain off when going to the movies and actually just enjoy it without trying to find something to be mad at. Shocking I know, but it is possible. Did I go to see Avatar to have a discussion after about the finer points of environmentalism and anti-imperialism, no I went to go see blue aliens. So the fact that it has those themes and messages in the movie doesn't mean I have to even acknowledge it.

But that’s not what happens, or is implicitly happening here thanks to (Sean) Gunn’s effort to be invited to more parties for some reason other than his proximity to his brother. “Oh you like Superman? You know he’s an immigrant too - so why do you continue to support (politician of choice)?”

For instance, I would never try and shame people that love The Dark Knight for being in favor of the patriarchy, vigilantism, or an expansive and intrusive technological surveillance.

 

[Disney Irish]

I know there are rumors that people have off switches on their brains…but mine never functioned.

It’s like the self destruct cancel switch on Spaceball 1

Might want to get that looked at....

 

[John park hopper]

I would love to chime in on this immigrant debate but it would be deemed political by the powers to be

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I disagree…. I think Gunn’s comments was deliberate and smart…. Touch on a hot button issue….get butts in the door… and if people enjoy it…. Word of mouth will do the rest.,,How many times have we heard people had no idea a film was released… well everyone knows Superman arrives this weekend… I believe the film will earn more Because of Gunn’s comments

I don’t think anyone is necessarily saying this iteration of Superman deals with Immigration…. but were referring to the history of the character

There is exactly zero evidence that touching a hot button issue "gets butts in the door" and there is a ton of evidence that suggests it can tank a film.

 

[Disney Irish]

But that’s not what happens, or is implicitly happening here thanks to (Sean) Gunn’s effort to be invited to more parties for some reason other than his proximity to his brother. “Oh you like Superman? You know he’s an immigrant too - so why do you continue to support (politician of choice)?”

For instance, I would never try and shame people that love The Dark Knight for being in favor of the patriarchy, vigilantism, or an expansive and intrusive technological surveillance.

Sean's comments came later after all the hoopla has already started, and were in defense of his brother (for good or bad) when asked about the hoopla surrounding James' comments. So it was always going to be a thing, no matter if Sean had commented or not. But that does not mean one has to participate in it and can just go see the movie without having to think about such discourse.

 

[Disney Irish]

There is exactly zero evidence that touching a hot button issue "gets butts in the door" and there is a ton of evidence that suggests it can tank a film.

Who coined the term there is no such thing as bad publicity? Oh yeah, PT Barnum, who got butts in the door by stoking the flames of negativity about him in the press.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Who coined the term there is no such thing as bad publicity? Oh yeah, PT Barnum, who got butts in the door by stoking the flames of negativity about him in the press.

Okay ... name the film in the last decade that made money because it touched a hot button issue.

DIFFICULTY: Don't say Barbie because that film spent its entire run-up doing everything it could to hide that it had a feminist message.

 

[TP2000]

Box office for Thursday previews is in, gang! And that classic immigrant tale, Superman, pulled in $23 Million.

Elio continues its fast fade into money-losing obscurity this weekend, and Lilo & Stitch keeps padding its bottom line.

 

[Disney Irish]

Okay ... name the film in the last decade that made money because it touched a hot button issue.

DIFFICULTY: Don't say Barbie because that film spent its entire run-up doing everything it could to hide that it had a feminist message.

Hmm, someone just brought up the "Force is Female" meme, so I'll go with ST.

 

[CoastalElite64]

Okay ... name the film in the last decade that made money because it touched a hot button issue.

DIFFICULTY: Don't say Barbie because that film spent its entire run-up doing everything it could to hide that it had a feminist message.

Avatar

Interstellar

Barbie

Black Panther

Parasite

US

Get Out

 

[TP2000]

Yeah that Alf thing was weird…I tried to ignore it.

We are talking about a puppet alien that crashed his spaceship into the garage and then tried to make the cat into a sandwich every episode, right?

Oh, I forgot about the cat sub-plot. He was always trying to catch and eat the family's cat, yet somehow was allowed to stay and still came off as loveable/funny. I actually watched ALF a bit in the 80's, at least that first season or two.

I'm just thrilled we could get some folks on record here defending ALF as an "immigrant" in the same mold as James Gunn's cheaper-than-hiring-an-American maid and Sean Gunn's cheaper-than-hiring-an-American gardener.

ALF, for gosh sakes! The mind boggles at the mental gymnastics required for that to make sense.

“Superman is an immigrant” feels like a very forced way to co-opt a very popular character or franchise to a very modern sensibility. Sort of like this:

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Perfection. That's exactly why this ridiculous "Superman is an immigrant" thing got news traction. Because it's just so cringey and fake, and requires the human mind to block out huge amounts of context and well known backstory to get there.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh, I forgot about the cat sub-plot. He was always trying to catch and eat the family's cat, yet somehow was allowed to stay and still came off as loveable/funny. I actually watched ALF a bit in the 80's, at least that first season or two.

I'm just thrilled we could get some folks on record here defending ALF as an "immigrant" in the same mold as James Gunn's cheaper-than-hiring-an-American maid and Sean Gunn's cheaper-than-hiring-an-American gardener.

ALF, for gosh sakes! The mind boggles at the mental gymnastics required for that to make sense.

Ok, so what do you call ALF? Outside of an Alien (or any variation of that word), what do you call his status being in a land not of his origin and living as a permanent resident (legal status notwithstanding)?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Hmm, someone just brought up the "Force is Female" meme, so I'll go with ST.

I don't follow ... what is "ST"?

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't follow ... what is "ST"?

Star Wars Squeal Trilogy (ST). Force Awakens, Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker.

 

[TP2000]

Ok, so what do you call ALF? Outside of an Alien (or any variation of that word), what do you call his status being in a land not of his origin and living as a permanent resident (legal status notwithstanding)?

He's a furry space alien who crashed landed on Earth. Cue studio laugh track!

 

[Disney Irish]

He's a furry space alien who crashed landed on Earth. Cue studio laugh track!

You just described the show, not his status of taking up residence. I also said outside of using "alien". So dodging the question I see.

 

[Phroobar]

Ok, so what do you call ALF? Outside of an Alien (or any variation of that word), what do you call his status being in a land not of his origin and living as a permanent resident (legal status notwithstanding)?

I'd call ALF a mooch. He crashed into their garage. Didn't pay to get it fixed. Lives on the couch. Eats their food. Terrorizes their pets. Contributes nothing to the family.

Alf is your daughter's shiftless boyfriend.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd call ALF a mooch. He crashed into their garage. Didn't pay to get it fixed. Lives on the couch. Eats their food. Terrorizes their pets. Contributes nothing to the family.

Alf is your daughter's shiftless boyfriend.

Well that describes his personality, not his residency status. But points for creativity.

 

[TP2000]

You just described the show, not his status of taking up residence. I also said outside of using "alien". So dodging the question I see.

But ALF is an alien. And a furry one too.

It's the entire premise of the show. Furry space alien crash lands in family's garage, hilarity ensues for 23 minutes each week.