Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Wendy Pleakley

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Are people still digging their heads in the sand over the fact that comics sometimes have a subtext to their storytelling, including alluding to issues like immigration?

I can't wait for the next X-Men movie so we can hear how they're just mutants and aren't about civil rights in any way shape or form.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Are people still digging their heads in the sand over the fact that comics sometimes have a subtext to their storytelling, including alluding to issues like immigration?

I can't wait for the next X-Men movie so we can hear how they're just mutants and aren't about civil rights in any way shape or form.
I think there’s tons of social context to almost all comics on certain levels…just not the extent we need to “mine” every comic book flick for slights and grievances

Xmen is absolutely a political commentary…as it was meant to be. x1 I believe was 1967? What was the context there?

But supe? Nah…reaching here. It’s a waste of effort and Gunn needs to stick to the mainline this time.

If we need to beat out selves up for no reason…let’s all go over to the new parade thread? Where idiocy is welcome and encouraged 👍🏻👍🏻
 

AdventureHasAName

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For what it's worth, I saw Superman and enjoyed it. In the same way I view the Tim Burton Batman movies as Elseworld films ... as opposed to a *main* cinematic shared comic universe ... I'd put this Superman movie in the same category. This is a Giffen/DeMatteis Superman movie. I liked it; but I think it's foolish to try and build a DC cinematic universe around this style of filmmaking.

The things I hated are straight-up James Gunn decisions ... not showing Superman's origin, not explaining who Lex Luthor is, only one scene of Clark Kent, making Jor-el evil, the concept of a harem, the use of profanity, Guy's haircut, Nathan Fillion as Guy. Ultimately, this is exactly why Gunn was a bad choice to run Warner Brother's entire DC operation.

That said, there were things I loved ... the Hall of Justice, the Green Lantern constructs, Krypto (who I assumed was going to be terrible), the Kent parents, the Daily Planet employees, the cameo at the end of the film.

Based on Gunn (and his brother's comments), I assumed the film was going to be a woke mess and it wasn't. The political messaging was very subtle (although stupid ... the harem bit) and will fly faster than a speeding bullet past 99% of the viewing public. And that just makes the Gunn brothers' comments even more incredibly stupid and irresponsible. It was them simply trying to poke conservative Americans in the eye at the potential expense of the film's success (and frankly, the cinematic universe's success). Just inexcusable from a business perspective.
 

easyrowrdw

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I just don’t think the brand makes the movies “must see” as it once did. Very same boat as the MCU.

I think most…if not all of us as adults would go in the first couple of weeks to see the new Pixar each year…as a matter of habit
Is that the case now?
100%. And that directly ties into what I've been saying about all of this. Your previous films quality, the quality of the art, marketing... are going to factor in. That's where the benefit of the doubt comes in to play. So I just think a lot of the issues can funnel back to this last 10yr or so batch of films. That doesn't mean a new ip can't be successful or, PIXARS DEAD!!! It just means they're going to have to take some lumps and focus on the quality. And that might seem like a cop out, but on all aspects they need better quality because it's a bit inconsistent.
This describes me. After 10 years of IMO mostly mediocre original movies, Pixar doesn't have the pull it once did for me. Coupled with trailers that didn't look appealing, I didn't have much interest in Elio. I only saw it because of the positive word-of-mouth (and the kids wanted to lol). But it's still just one positive after a string of meh so we'll see what happens next year.
 

Tha Realest

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I've seen the movie. And that still doesn't change my opinion. As the motivations of the father doesn't change the outcome of whether Superman/Clark is an immigrant or not. Nor does it change Superman/Clark's motivations for being here, as pointed out in the movie.
But conflating the purpose and intent of Kal-El being sent to Earth with the modern commentary around immigrants/immigration is dishonest. “Superman is an immigrant.” Great, so we’re Nikola Tesla, Sacco and Vanzetti, Bob Hope, and the 9/11 hijackers. Asserting it so broadly renders it meaningless, and then trying to shoehorn it into the contemporary immigration debate also feels silly (and foolish, as @AdventureHasAName points out). It’s probably the most charged contemporary political / social issue now, and very divisive, and has swayed elections.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
But conflating the purpose and intent of Kal-El being sent to Earth with the modern commentary around immigrants/immigration is dishonest. “Superman is an immigrant.” Great, so we’re Nikola Tesla, Sacco and Vanzetti, Bob Hope, and the 9/11 hijackers. Asserting it so broadly renders it meaningless, and then trying to shoehorn it into the contemporary immigration debate also feels silly (and foolish, as @AdventureHasAName points out). It’s probably the most charged contemporary political / social issue now, and very divisive, and has swayed elections.
Taking away for a second that I have seen the film, I think the message here has been co-oped by certain parties (not here) to spread a bunch of misinformation about the character. Gunn's comments for whatever they are worth is not inaccurate no matter the context of the story being told in this particular film. Again the motivations for Jor-El sending Kal-El to Earth in this movie are irrelevant to the main point, which is that Superman is and will forever be an immigrant. Also as the saying goes, the sins of the father are not the sins of the son, which actually IS relevant to this movie. But him being an immigrant has been part of the core of the character since the beginning, and has been used in many Superman stories lines before this movie. Heck Lex's main gripe for as long as I can remember about Superman is that he is not "of this planet", if that is not an allegory about immigration I don't know what is. And the fact that some want to make that a politically charged situation within the context of today's politics says more about them than the origins of the character, this movie, or even Gunn's comments.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
But conflating the purpose and intent of Kal-El being sent to Earth with the modern commentary around immigrants/immigration is dishonest. “Superman is an immigrant.” Great, so we’re Nikola Tesla, Sacco and Vanzetti, Bob Hope, and the 9/11 hijackers. Asserting it so broadly renders it meaningless, and then trying to shoehorn it into the contemporary immigration debate also feels silly (and foolish, as @AdventureHasAName points out). It’s probably the most charged contemporary political / social issue now, and very divisive, and has swayed elections.
I’m definitely over movies (and the watchers) attempting to mine the present for past grievances…

Really enough of it. Sometimes it’s ok to just watch something without there being a scoreboard and a line down the center of the theater that we must pledge allegiance to one side of…
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’m definitely over movies (and the watchers) attempting to mine the present for past grievances…

Really enough of it. Sometimes it’s ok to just watch something without there being a scoreboard and a line down the center of the theater that we must pledge allegiance to once side of…
One doesn't have to actually participate in such activities if one doesn't want to. One can actually shut their brain off when going to the movies and actually just enjoy it without trying to find something to be mad at. Shocking I know, but it is possible. Did I go to see Avatar to have a discussion after about the finer points of environmentalism and anti-imperialism, no I went to go see blue aliens. So the fact that it has those themes and messages in the movie doesn't mean I have to even acknowledge it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
One doesn't have to actually participate in such activities if one doesn't want to. One can actually shut their brain off when going to the movies and actually just enjoy it without trying to find something to be mad at. Shocking I know, but it is possible. Did I go to see Avatar to have a discussion after about the finer points of environmentalism and anti-imperialism, no I went to go see blue aliens. So the fact that it has those themes and messages in the movie doesn't mean I have to even acknowledge it.

I know there are rumors that people have off switches on their brains…but mine never functioned.

It’s like the self destruct cancel switch on Spaceball 1
 

DKampy

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Based on Gunn (and his brother's comments), I assumed the film was going to be a woke mess and it wasn't. The political messaging was very subtle (although stupid ... the harem bit) and will fly faster than a speeding bullet past 99% of the viewing public. And that just makes the Gunn brothers' comments even more incredibly stupid and irresponsible. It was them simply trying to poke conservative Americans in the eye at the potential expense of the film's success (and frankly, the cinematic universe's success). Just inexcusable from a business perspective.
I disagree…. I think Gunn’s comments was deliberate and smart…. Touch on a hot button issue….get butts in the door… and if people enjoy it…. Word of mouth will do the rest.,,How many times have we heard people had no idea a film was released… well everyone knows Superman arrives this weekend… I believe the film will earn more Because of Gunn’s comments

I don’t think anyone is necessarily saying this iteration of Superman deals with Immigration…. but were referring to the history of the character
 

Tha Realest

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One doesn't have to actually participate in such activities if one doesn't want to. One can actually shut their brain off when going to the movies and actually just enjoy it without trying to find something to be mad at. Shocking I know, but it is possible. Did I go to see Avatar to have a discussion after about the finer points of environmentalism and anti-imperialism, no I went to go see blue aliens. So the fact that it has those themes and messages in the movie doesn't mean I have to even acknowledge it.
But that’s not what happens, or is implicitly happening here thanks to (Sean) Gunn’s effort to be invited to more parties for some reason other than his proximity to his brother. “Oh you like Superman? You know he’s an immigrant too - so why do you continue to support (politician of choice)?”

For instance, I would never try and shame people that love The Dark Knight for being in favor of the patriarchy, vigilantism, or an expansive and intrusive technological surveillance.
 

AdventureHasAName

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I disagree…. I think Gunn’s comments was deliberate and smart…. Touch on a hot button issue….get butts in the door… and if people enjoy it…. Word of mouth will do the rest.,,How many times have we heard people had no idea a film was released… well everyone knows Superman arrives this weekend… I believe the film will earn more Because of Gunn’s comments

I don’t think anyone is necessarily saying this iteration of Superman deals with Immigration…. but were referring to the history of the character
There is exactly zero evidence that touching a hot button issue "gets butts in the door" and there is a ton of evidence that suggests it can tank a film.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
But that’s not what happens, or is implicitly happening here thanks to (Sean) Gunn’s effort to be invited to more parties for some reason other than his proximity to his brother. “Oh you like Superman? You know he’s an immigrant too - so why do you continue to support (politician of choice)?”

For instance, I would never try and shame people that love The Dark Knight for being in favor of the patriarchy, vigilantism, or an expansive and intrusive technological surveillance.
Sean's comments came later after all the hoopla has already started, and were in defense of his brother (for good or bad) when asked about the hoopla surrounding James' comments. So it was always going to be a thing, no matter if Sean had commented or not. But that does not mean one has to participate in it and can just go see the movie without having to think about such discourse.
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
Who coined the term there is no such thing as bad publicity? Oh yeah, PT Barnum, who got butts in the door by stoking the flames of negativity about him in the press.
Okay ... name the film in the last decade that made money because it touched a hot button issue.

DIFFICULTY: Don't say Barbie because that film spent its entire run-up doing everything it could to hide that it had a feminist message.
 

TP2000

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Box office for Thursday previews is in, gang! And that classic immigrant tale, Superman, pulled in $23 Million.

Elio continues its fast fade into money-losing obscurity this weekend, and Lilo & Stitch keeps padding its bottom line.

An Immigrant's Tale.jpg
 

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