MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[phillip9698]

The Disney parks only exist because of niche interests in trains and miniatures.

That is not true.

Disney Parks exist because Walt wanted to create a park where young and old people could enjoy the attractions together instead of one watching the other.

Walt then created a park that showcased the idealized vision of America his generation was nostalgic for. Trains being one of those items.

As time goes on fewer and fewer people are going to be nostalgic for the same things someone who came of age in the early 1900s was.

Sure the internet can keep some of those ideas alive but they just won’t hit future generations the same way as something they actually lived through! A riverboat is not going to hit me in the feels the same way walking through the Mushroom Kingdom or touching a X-Wing does, it’s just not. And that’s not something anyone will need to apologize for or feel bad about.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They always have been. Ragtime piano, glass blowing and barbershop quartets are as niche as you can get! Haha

The very concept of actual “details” is based in niche interests. A detail isn’t just small or excessive ornament or an Easter egg, it’s something that helps further the story that most aren’t going to know or notice.

 

[Incomudro]

I have seen no evidence of this... Does it have a fort? A cave that is not part of a queue but merely exists as an exploration trail? There has been no mention of food options... Or a raft ride... Someone also just stated there will be no play area......So how will this new area retain all of TSI's core activities? TSI didn't have a gift shop... so shopping is out.....

Well, there is a barrel bridge visible in the newer concept art.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney has done the work to change the suitability of land even relatively recently. They’re driving piles right now to deal with less suitable land. More importantly those drawings are out of date because of this project.

The screenshot in question isn't from their suitability map, but from their brand new "Future Land Use" map.

The brown is "mixed used" which is their way of saying "anything we want: entertainment (i.e., parks), hotels, golf courses, etc.... "

And there is brown outside the berm. A laydown yard, I presume, would be a "mixed use" usage. But it could easily become more park outside the berm without any sort of RCID variance... which they'd most likely get anyway if the time came.

So, we got an MK-outside-the-berm-area and the area on 7 Seas between GF and MK in the brown. Another possibility for a new resort there under the current 'zoning.'

And the light green for resources/recreation? Easily varianced into whatever WDW decides they want to do.

As I've said before: Everything outside the dark green (conservation) is up for grabs at varying levels of difficulty and cost to use. And even then, there are ways to take over conservation land with offsets elsewhere in Central Florida.

 

[Raineman]

That is not true.

Disney Parks exist because Walt wanted to create a park where young and old people could enjoy the attractions together instead of one watching the other.

Walt then created a park that showcased the idealized vision of America his generation was nostalgic for. Trains being one of those items.

As time goes on fewer and fewer people are going to be nostalgic for the same things someone who came of age in the 1900s was.

Sure the internet can keep some of those ideas alive but they just won’t hit future generations the same way as something they actually lived through! A riverboat is not going to hit me in the feels the same way walking through the Mushroom Kingdom or touching a X-Wing does, it’s just not. And that’s not something anyone will need to apologize for or feel bad about.

How would you react if, in a couple of decades, the Mushroom Kingdom does not hit with the newer generations, and they rip it out and replace it with something newer that does not give you the same feels? Can you honestly say that you will be OK with that and welcome the replacement?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

How would you react if, in a couple of decades, the Mushroom Kingdom does not hit with the newer generations, and they rip it out and replace it with something newer that does not give you the same feels? Can you honestly say that you will be OK with that and welcome the replacement?

I think that's beside the point.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Disney Parks exist because Walt wanted to create a park where young and old people could enjoy the attractions together instead of one watching the other.

So there’s 2 stories - there is the carousel story. And then there are the trains. Both are true.

The original concept for Disneyland grew from Walt’s Backyard Railway and the earliest of concepts were almost identical to the Henry Ford Greenfiled Village which Walt visited multiple times, including a visit with Ward Kimball, legendary animator and imagineer and fellow steam train enthusiast.

I would say Disneyland as a whole started with the Lilly Belle and that Fantasyland with the carousel and classic amusement park rides was inspired by Walt’s visits to Griffith Park.

 

[Emamba]

This is word vomit.

Not really, no. I understand you don’t like the project but it does make sense. The Frontierland of the Magic Kingdom will just be more unique than the other parks.

 

[MisterPenguin]

All we can do is wait the 3 to 5 years and see what happens.

Well, you know I've been hounding you about the timeframe. And so, I thank you for limiting your future timeline to the 5 year plan announced at D23 last year.

But, that was last year. The clock is ticking.

For Josh to be correct, we're now looking at completion within 4 years.

 

[Gusey]

How would you react if, in a couple of decades, the Mushroom Kingdom does not hit with the newer generations, and they rip it out and replace it with something newer that does not give you the same feels? Can you honestly say that you will be OK with that and welcome the replacement?

I'd like to think that whilst I'd be sad, I wouldn't begin spouting extreme claims that the parks are losing their soles and are dying because they're removing a ride I like. Probably the closest example for my generation is the closure of Dinosaur and Dinoland. I'm going to miss Dinosaur when it closes because it was one of the first non-coaster thrill rides I did, but understand why it's closing and am looking forward to seeing what they end up doing with Tropical Americas. Similarly, I'm looking forward to what they do with Piston Peak and Villains Land, and feel like ultimately it will be a better use of the land than an TSI, RoA and Liberty Belle ended up being in the last few years of its operation.

 

[Chi84]

How would you react if, in a couple of decades, the Mushroom Kingdom does not hit with the newer generations, and they rip it out and replace it with something newer that does not give you the same feels? Can you honestly say that you will be OK with that and welcome the replacement?

That’s kind of how life works. Would you expect them to ignore their new customer base to make you happy?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Why is Disney so bad at space?

Lazy has touched on this and I’ll freely admit I lack the language or expertise to fully articulate it, but the one thing Disney seemingly cannot do in Florida anymore is layout spaces. TSL is an atrocity, perhaps the worst arranged land in Disney history. SWL often feels so lifeless and empty, less then the sum of its parts. The EPCOT core makeover is a mess, a directionless mass of concrete and unimpressive landscaping that adds up to nothing. Avatar Land is a decorated warehouse and courtyard and feels like it.

Compare all this to the open vistas and intricately delineated space of the Frontierland Disney is mangling. Or, for a more recent example, look at the layout of AK, particularly the almost cinematic way the Tree of Life is revealed.

Epic Universe has its issues in this area, most notably the thoughtless placement of the Werewolf Coaster ruining the design of Monsters or the sense of emptiness in part of Potter created by the absence of the scrapped attraction, but the park generally excels at impressive reveals and a sense of color and life.

Why can’t Disney arrange space?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The reckless priorities of the company that they feel they need a Cars attraction warrants this effort, would be the third clue the revenue remains still significant.

Since Cars Land opened in DCA in 2012 there have been rumours for more Cars attractions in the parks, but to my knowledge the only things built were the Lightning McQueen show at DHS and the rebrand of the WDSP tram tour.

That it has taken this long to build a substantial, new Cars ride suggests to me the idea of a new scenic ride in Frontierland came first and then the Cars connection was used after to justify it to upper management.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'd like to think that whilst I'd be sad, I wouldn't begin spouting extreme claims that the parks are losing their soles and are dying because they're removing a ride I like. Probably the closest example for my generation is the closure of Dinosaur and Dinoland. I'm going to miss Dinosaur when it closes because it was one of the first non-coaster thrill rides I did, but understand why it's closing and am looking forward to seeing what they end up doing with Tropical Americas. Similarly, I'm looking forward to what they do with Piston Peak and Villains Land, and feel like ultimately it will be a better use of the land than an TSI, RoA and Liberty Belle ended up being in the last few years of its operation.

Do you consider the parks to be historically or culturally significant? Do you consider them works of art?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Do you consider the parks to be historically or culturally significant? Do you consider them works of art?

...Does the average park guest?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Avatar Land is a decorated warehouse and courtyard and feels like it.

You lost me here…. Avatar Land is extremely detailed and full of life and encourages exploration.

 

[SamusAranX]

...Does the average park guest?

Subconsciously on some levels, they probably do

 

[Casper Gutman]

I dunno, I sorta think if leveraging lucrative IPs was my driving priority, I’d have greenlit the Moana attraction and found space for a major Stitch ride.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Why is Disney so bad at space?

Lazy has touched on this and I’ll freely admit I lack the language or expertise to fully articulate it, but the one thing Disney seemingly cannot do in Florida anymore is layout spaces. TSL is an atrocity, perhaps the worst arranged land in Disney history. SWL often feels so lifeless and empty, less then the sum of its parts. The EPCOT core makeover is a mess, a directionless mass of concrete and unimpressive landscaping that adds up to nothing. Avatar Land is a decorated warehouse and courtyard and feels like it.

Compare all this to the open vistas and intricately delineated space of the Frontierland Disney is mangling. Or, for a more recent example, look at the layout of AK, particularly the almost cinematic way the Tree of Life is revealed.

Epic Universe has its issues in this area, most notably the thoughtless placement of the Werewolf Coaster ruining the design of Monsters or the sense of emptiness in part of Potter created by the absence of the scrapped attraction, but the park generally excels at impressive reveals and a sense of color and life.

Why can’t Disney arrange space?

What happened to the Disney of just a few years ago that figured out how to tack on an Islands of Adventure-style park to Disney Studios Paris complete with a large lake and backstage marina separated by a swing bridge?

The long sidewalk to get there and single ride IP lands leave something to be desired, but they got the basics down.

 

[Casper Gutman]

You lost me here…. Avatar Land is extremely detailed and full of life and encourages exploration.

It’s a very boring layout and there really isn’t much to explore. It’s very detailed, often beautiful, and the water feature is used well, but it’s just not interestingly arranged.