TheMaxRebo
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My son was saying the same thing - he is not happy about that being removed and was hoping they would at least have something similar in the post-show area
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EPCOT Test Track to be reimagined
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My son was saying the same thing - he is not happy about that being removed and was hoping they would at least have something similar in the post-show area
flynnibus
Premium Member
I find it humorous the guy basically tries to steal the WoM theme as the purpose behind TT3.0 -- so obviously this is some company line they want to keep pumping.. but man it rings so hollow.
They really keep hammering on the 'future of transportation' point.
The other talking point they do keep bringing up is the focus on 'optimism' which is another thing they can truly hang their hat on for original epcot vibe.. and that will resonate with fans of epcot, even if the attraction itself is rather weak.
So it's plainly obvious from the coaching, marketing, and talking points the company was riding this WoM / OG E.P.C.O.T. horse.. and are continuing. So when some people are like 'why would you expect something from/about WoM?' -- Disney is answering you.. because ITS ALL THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT.
They really keep hammering on the 'future of transportation' point.
The other talking point they do keep bringing up is the focus on 'optimism' which is another thing they can truly hang their hat on for original epcot vibe.. and that will resonate with fans of epcot, even if the attraction itself is rather weak.
So it's plainly obvious from the coaching, marketing, and talking points the company was riding this WoM / OG E.P.C.O.T. horse.. and are continuing. So when some people are like 'why would you expect something from/about WoM?' -- Disney is answering you.. because ITS ALL THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT.
Horizonsfan
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The more I look at things, I’m struck by how much of the post show has been walled off or shrunk down. It’s odd.
The first room after the photo pass screens is particularly weird. They went from this:
To this:
The ceiling is substantially lower & crappier (ACT vs the slat system they had), and the room is narrower. It would have been nice if they had keep the interior design of the room as it was (sans tap points and signage) and just covered over the projection surface with the mural.
The first room after the photo pass screens is particularly weird. They went from this:
To this:
The ceiling is substantially lower & crappier (ACT vs the slat system they had), and the room is narrower. It would have been nice if they had keep the interior design of the room as it was (sans tap points and signage) and just covered over the projection surface with the mural.
Gusey
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I must have watched a different video. I saw the interviewer ask him about WoM and he mentioned there were easter eggs to the attraction and old Epcot, and they just wanted the ride to focus on optimism like WoM did. He didn't say Test Track 3.0 was about WoM or featured scenes from WoM
flynnibus
Premium Member
I could literally go line by line through the script and find probably 25% of the responses being about tying back to the spirit or themes from WoM... but you probably wouldn't read it anyways.
Literally the challenge was why anyone thought WoM was significant in Disney's marketing.. as if the blog posts were some casual happenstance or something. Then you get the guy put in front of the customer.. and he repeats these talking points over and over and over. This is not happenstance. This is specific marketing and talking points.
The point is.. fans didn't bring WoM into the conversation.. Disney is the one doing it.
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Gusey
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I watched the video you shared (that is what we're talking about right?) Why would I have to read the script when I watched the video?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Because your retort is a broad stroke vs actually looking at what was said. To retort equally with "no he didn't" and leaving it like that is pointless and lacks specitivity. If you can't identify the commonalities between that guys responses and the marketing (aka the company talking points) then you need it spoon fed.
aladdin2007
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They did the rocks so they wouldn't have to take care of plants and flowers (expense). The whole passholder preview thing is a joke, its just so much easier to go on a regular day instead of playing that game of trying to get a reservation and then trying to win vq lottery after that. Making passholders do double duty, I dont know why anyone continues to put up with the headache.
Gusey
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I mean, I wasn't going to list everything said in the video, I just posted my interpretation of what was said and that I disagreed with your assessment.
Maybe I just have a different interpretation of the word "inspire" to you? Because all that's ever been said is inspired by WoM. To me, that never meant recreate WoM or any of its scenes. For me, it meant influenced by its themes, with the odd Easter egg in the ride to reference the past. For me, I think 3.0 is a big improvement over 2.0 just for the updated scenes, more practical sets and it feeling for me like a better dark ride with a slight thrill. Is it a masterpiece. No. But is it a fun attraction that will draw me over to that side of the park. Yes and I'm more than happy for Test Track to return to Epcot's lineup completely refreshed
flynnibus
Premium Member
I think you are arguing against something I never said. I never argued or defending any presumptions they they would recreate WoM or any of it's scenes.
Several posters voiced confusion over the lack of ties or connections to WoM after Disney went out of their way to mention WoM in it's marketing. Several other posters challenged why anyone would have expected any direct ties or connections to WoM... instead blaming the audience for making presumptions about WoM... when it was Disney, not the fans, intentionally bringing WoM into the discussion. No one was talking about absurd strawmen like 'recreate WoM' except those trying to blame the audience.
People were expecting some nods or other potential throwbacks to WoM because Disney went out of their way to hype up the significance of WoM. That's what people were commenting on.. and some wanted to blame the audience for assuming WoM.. when it's Disney who is the one who keeps bringing the history up.
As I said in the post above.. "The other talking point they do keep bringing up is the focus on 'optimism' which is another thing they can truly hang their hat on for original epcot vibe.. and that will resonate with fans of epcot"
But you come at me with lines like "I must have watched a different video"
Listen to 0:16-0:33 -
This description... is he describing TT3.0 or WoM? Because none of that really is in TT3.0, but he's basically regurgitating what was the high level narrative of WoM. If you don't see that in this language, then I can't make it any more clear to you.
"attraction with this iteration um it really is about this notion that we've always been dreaming about a bright future uh a future where transportation and mobility you know bring us into you know new opportunities new lifestyles um the technology that is going to you know open up new opportunities for us and so uh it really is a celebration of humanity's drive to innovate on the on the road to progress"
That is WoM.. not TT3.0
They literally are trying to take the WoM story and claim it as TT3.0.. when WoM actually did articulate this journey and ended with the optimism of what transportation would enable us to become.
Gusey
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I think you are arguing against something I never said. I never argued or defending any presumptions they they would recreate WoM or any of it's scenes.
Several posters voiced confusion over the lack of ties or connections to WoM after Disney went out of their way to mention WoM in it's marketing. Several other posters challenged why anyone would have expected any direct ties or connections to WoM... instead blaming the audience for making presumptions about WoM... when it was Disney, not the fans, intentionally bringing WoM into the discussion. No one was talking about absurd strawmen like 'recreate WoM' except those trying to blame the audience.
People were expecting some nods or other potential throwbacks to WoM because Disney went out of their way to hype up the significance of WoM. That's what people were commenting on.. and some wanted to blame the audience for assuming WoM.. when it's Disney who is the one who keeps bringing the history up.
As I said in the post above.. "The other talking point they do keep bringing up is the focus on 'optimism' which is another thing they can truly hang their hat on for original epcot vibe.. and that will resonate with fans of epcot"
But you come at me with lines like "I must have watched a different video"
Listen to 0:16-0:33 -
This description... is he describing TT3.0 or WoM? Because none of that really is in TT3.0, but he's basically regurgitating what was the high level narrative of WoM. If you don't see that in this language, then I can't make it any more clear to you.
"attraction with this iteration um it really is about this notion that we've always been dreaming about a bright future uh a future where transportation and mobility you know bring us into you know new opportunities new lifestyles um the technology that is going to you know open up new opportunities for us and so uh it really is a celebration of humanity's drive to innovate on the on the road to progress"
That is WoM.. not TT3.0
See, to me, that whole section wasn't talking about WoM but TT3.0 I can see all of that in the new scenes they've added, especially as he doesn't mention WoM in that section at all. For me, the main reference to WoM was when the interviewer asked them about the WoM influences, and they just said it was the optimism themes and the odd easter egg. We'll just have to agree to disagree as we're both interpreting different things from the same interview. I just have no issue with what they said.
TheMaxRebo
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I think you are arguing against something I never said. I never argued or defending any presumptions they they would recreate WoM or any of it's scenes.
Several posters voiced confusion over the lack of ties or connections to WoM after Disney went out of their way to mention WoM in it's marketing. Several other posters challenged why anyone would have expected any direct ties or connections to WoM... instead blaming the audience for making presumptions about WoM... when it was Disney, not the fans, intentionally bringing WoM into the discussion. No one was talking about absurd strawmen like 'recreate WoM' except those trying to blame the audience.
People were expecting some nods or other potential throwbacks to WoM because Disney went out of their way to hype up the significance of WoM. That's what people were commenting on.. and some wanted to blame the audience for assuming WoM.. when it's Disney who is the one who keeps bringing the history up.
As I said in the post above.. "The other talking point they do keep bringing up is the focus on 'optimism' which is another thing they can truly hang their hat on for original epcot vibe.. and that will resonate with fans of epcot"
But you come at me with lines like "I must have watched a different video"
Listen to 0:16-0:33 -
This description... is he describing TT3.0 or WoM? Because none of that really is in TT3.0, but he's basically regurgitating what was the high level narrative of WoM. If you don't see that in this language, then I can't make it any more clear to you.
"attraction with this iteration um it really is about this notion that we've always been dreaming about a bright future uh a future where transportation and mobility you know bring us into you know new opportunities new lifestyles um the technology that is going to you know open up new opportunities for us and so uh it really is a celebration of humanity's drive to innovate on the on the road to progress"
That is WoM.. not TT3.0
I was one of the ones arguing it - but agree Disney brought up WoM not guests ... but they specifically saying "inspired"
It could have zero direct references to WoM and still be inspired by it - the celebration of transportation, the development of it, etc could have been conveyed and reflect an inspiration of WoM
However there are some references to it - stating "it's fun to be free", notes from the song, the address of the house being the year WoM opened, etc
But that doesn't seem sufficient for you and that Dis ey, simply by mentioning WoM committed to having a lot more directly from it or related to it, or something when all they said was "inspired" which doesn't promise anything to be directly in there
flynnibus
Premium Member
"we've always been dreaming" - what lookback element is there in TT3.0? none. But in WoM.. that's the whole setup.. to show how throughout history, transportation has enabled new things and new potentials
"a future where transportation, mobility, bring us into new opportunities, new lifesytles" - What transportation, new lifestyles are in TT3.0? It covers one kind of transportation.. cars. It talks about how you would use/have cars. That's not transportation, mobility, new opportunities, new lifestyles. Yet again, in WoM, that's again what the history lesson is showing, how transportation changed the world.
"technology that will open up new opportunities for us" - What new opportunities does TT3.0 highlight? Besides how you use your car. Yet again in WoM, the history lesson is about how transportation changed life..
"A celebration of humanity's drive to innovate, on the road to progress" - Again, what in TT3.0 is this? You usually celebrate what has happened.. and humanity is not about the actions of one small group..
What I see is the company touting WoM narratives as if TT3.0 is that.. and I tell you it's not. So when they say they were "inspired" by WoM.. oh I see it.. they literally are copying WoM's homework and calling it their own.
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
Listen to 0:16-0:33 -
This description... is he describing TT3.0 or WoM? Because none of that really is in TT3.0, but he's basically regurgitating what was the high level narrative of WoM. If you don't see that in this language, then I can't make it any more clear to you.
"attraction with this iteration um it really is about this notion that we've always been dreaming about a bright future uh a future where transportation and mobility you know bring us into you know new opportunities new lifestyles um the technology that is going to you know open up new opportunities for us and so uh it really is a celebration of humanity's drive to innovate on the on the road to progress"
That is WoM.. not TT3.0
Watching that video and reading the transcript highlighted for me fits the narrative of the new TT3.0. It depends what mindset you go in with it but to me that's not tricking people into thinking it's anything it isn't.
Does anyone have a driverless car yet? I'd guess not and TT3.0 shows a future where there are driverless cars and ends showing a vision of the future. It seems a big leap to say that because that could also describe WOM that we should expect more WOM unless that's just me? I mean you can argue the point if you want but to me it's a very vague description that promises very little specifically and could cover a ton of things.
It's kind of like if they decided to change The Seas with Nemo and Friends by removing Nemo and came up with some generic statement like "We're letting our friend Nemo loose and returning to the natural ocean of the old with just real sea life. We're examining what we've learned about our real ocean friends and how we can live with them in the future in harmony better". Then if somebody from Disney mentioned the more 'natural' attraction that's coming and threw in a quick remark that it is taking the vibe of The Living Seas and how there was a nod to that and then somebody decided that it meant we were going to get a ride far more like the original 'The Living Seas' and then felt cheated afterwards.
That's a made up example but shows how easily you can take something said and then decide that to you it means one thing and then get upset when your guess is wrong because what was said actually covered a multitude of things. That's my take on it anyway but what I see on that video and the text you've highlighted at no point made me feel that WOM was returning in any meaning way or symbolism, I just don't see it at all.
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mergatroid
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Erm that's not true though. Unless we have cars that can fly look at the new future scene added before you go outside. There's lots of flying vehicles that aren't conventional aircraft and as far as I'm aware we don't have flying cars currently?
lazyboy97o
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And if all of those vehicles were removed from that video, what impact would there be on the ride or its narrative?