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[plutofan15]

People in the existing areas, as well as the reassigned people going to those areas, will receive less hours. At worst, cost will stay the same as before, but at its best, there will be less CMs working overall at any given point in DHS (since there is now one less area to cover), which is a cost savings.

You know this for a fact that cast members will have reduced hours due to Muppets closing? Cast members can be reassigned across the WDW property. There is turnover daily in cast members; people quit, retire or get dismissed. I’m not saying that there will be zero savings with the closing but the amount will be significantly less than what some here believe.

 

[peter11435]

You know this for a fact that cast members will have reduced hours due to Muppets closing? Cast members can be reassigned across the WDW property. There is turnover daily in cast members; people quit, retire or get dismissed. I’m not saying that there will be zero savings with the closing but the amount will be significantly less than what some here believe.

Cast Members will be reassigned, but they won’t just be extra.

Yes there is daily turnover, and these displaced cast will fill those spots instead of hiring new.

If they are reassigned to an area that now has more cast than it needs they WILL be scheduled less hours or part time cast members will not be scheduled.

Ultimately the entirety of labor costs associated with Muppet Courtyard will be saved. And it amounts to millions of dollars per year.

 

[plutofan15]

I think you need to reread what I posted.

Thats not how it works

No additional labor is being added to areas B C and D. Areas B C and D will still be scheduling the same number of labor hours.

So what you are actually saying is that, let’s say, 40 hours of labor in area B is now going to be split between two people instead of one person. Ok, fine but that’s not what happens in every case. There will be those areas that do indeed get additional headcount this more expense.

 

[plutofan15]

Cast Members will be reassigned, but they won’t just be extra.

Yes there is daily turnover, and these displaced cast will fill those spots instead of hiring new.

If they are reassigned to an area that now has more cast than it needs they WILL be scheduled less hours or part time cast members will not be scheduled.

Ultimately the entirety of labor costs associated with Muppet Courtyard will be saved. And it amounts to millions of dollars per year.

We will have to disagree. I am not saying that the savings is zero but the savings to the company is not as huge as some here believe.

 

[JD80]

We will have to disagree. I am not saying that the savings is zero but the savings to the company is not as huge as some here believe.

It's certainly not the primary driver of closing a show in a park that would love additional capacity.

 

[Disney Analyst]

What if they are already working inside the buildings? Hence the closure… and the outside will come later?

They could very much be already working on loading out MV3D, so they can redo the theatre and install whatever new show is coming.

Lack of work on the outside does not indicate anything about what’s happening inside.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

We will have to disagree. I am not saying that the savings is zero but the savings to the company is not as huge as some here believe.

Do you have access to the numbers?

How much do you think it costs to operate an attraction like MuppetVision 3D?

 

[peter11435]

So what you are actually saying is that, let’s say, 40 hours of labor in area B is now going to be split between two people instead of one person. Ok, fine but that’s not what happens in every case. There will be those areas that do indeed get additional headcount this more expense.

No area will get additional head count that they don’t need. They will either use that person to replace those retiring, quitting, or being let go instead of new hires. Or if they do have too many cast assigned to an area now, those cast will see reduced hours or no hours in the case of part time cast members until natural attrition takes place.

Attraction X for example will still have a daily budget of let’s say 200 hours they can schedule. If that area currently schedules 25 cast a day with that budget but now has 27. They aren’t going to schedule 216 hours. Some of those cast will get less hours or if some are part time they might not be scheduled at all.

 

[JD80]

Do you have access to the numbers?

How much do you think it costs to operate an attraction like MuppetVision 3D?

A single cast member that makes $20/hr, works 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year has a full burden rate of roughly $54k a year. (Burden rates vary across states, but a rough estimate is salary + 30%).

How many CMs does it take to operate that theatre? 5? 8? I have no idea.

Add in cost of utilities (power).
Add in the cost of maintenance. How many man hours are diverted to this theatre per year? 5 hours a week? 250 hours a year? At $140/hr for maintenance labor that's another that's $35k. Triple that is 100k.

How many 3D glasses are lost per shift? What is the cost of replacement?

How would you like to calculate hours for janitorial services for that building?

Operating MV3D could cost maybe $300-$500k a year including labor?

 

[peter11435]

We will have to disagree. I am not saying that the savings is zero but the savings to the company is not as huge as some here believe.

The savings is far bigger than most here believe.

 

[peter11435]

It's certainly not the primary driver of closing a show in a park that would love additional capacity.

In their view the muppets attraction capacity was replaced last month.

 

[peter11435]

A single cast member that makes $20/hr, works 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year has a full burden rate of roughly $54k a year. (Burden rates vary across states, but a rough estimate is salary + 30%).

How many CMs does it take to operate that theatre? 5? 8? I have no idea.

Add in cost of utilities (power).
Add in the cost of maintenance. How many man hours are diverted to this theatre per year? 5 hours a week? 250 hours a year? At $140/hr for maintenance labor that's another that's $35k. Triple that is 100k.

How many 3D glasses are lost per shift? What is the cost of replacement?

How would you like to calculate hours for janitorial services for that building?

Operating MV3D could cost maybe $300-$500k a year including labor?

The operations labor alone would be closer to double your estimate.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What if they are already working inside the buildings? Hence the closure… and the outside will come later?

They could very much be already working on loading out MV3D, so they can redo the theatre and install whatever new show is coming.

Lack of work on the outside does not indicate anything about what’s happening inside.

That would be a bit dumb given the exterior work to be done.

 

[JD80]

The operations labor alone would be closer to double your estimate.

So show me the math.

 

[MR.Dis]

A single cast member that makes $20/hr, works 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year has a full burden rate of roughly $54k a year. (Burden rates vary across states, but a rough estimate is salary + 30%).

How many CMs does it take to operate that theatre? 5? 8? I have no idea.

Add in cost of utilities (power).
Add in the cost of maintenance. How many man hours are diverted to this theatre per year? 5 hours a week? 250 hours a year? At $140/hr for maintenance labor that's another that's $35k. Triple that is 100k.

How many 3D glasses are lost per shift? What is the cost of replacement?

How would you like to calculate hours for janitorial services for that building?

Operating MV3D could cost maybe $300-$500k a year including labor?

Whoa-- It is my understanding that the vast majority of theme park cast members are NOT full time. This was done purposely to avoid offering benefits (i.e. save money).

 

[uncle jimmy]

What if they are already working inside the buildings? Hence the closure… and the outside will come later?

They could very much be already working on loading out MV3D, so they can redo the theatre and install whatever new show is coming.

Lack of work on the outside does not indicate anything about what’s happening inside.

You think we'll see any props moved over to use for the Muppetts Rollercoaster?

 

[peter11435]

So show me the math.

An attraction like Muppets is typically going to require about 7-8 cast members to operate. So if the average operating day is 12 hours. That’s 96 hours of labor per day. At $20/hour you’re looking at $1920 per day or roughly $700,000 per year. Add 30% and you’re looking at over $900,000.

 

[MR.Dis]

Prior to COVID, had some good retired friends that went down to WDW every winter and worked as cast members. They were considered part time even though they would work a 40 + hour week because they only worked from December thru March, when they returned to home. When COVID hit, they stopped their employment and have never gone back. Not sure if this is still done.

 

[JD80]

Whoa-- It is my understanding that the vast majority of theme park cast members are NOT full time. This was done purposely to avoid offering benefits (i.e. save money).

Employer's still need to pay for things like unemployment issuance, pay roll taxes, paid time off etc.

 

[MR.Dis]

An attraction like Muppets is typically going to require about 7-8 cast members to operate. So if the average operating day is 12 hours. That’s 96 hours of labor per day. At $20/hour you’re looking at $1920 per day or roughly $700,000 per year. Add 30% and you’re looking at over $900,000.

True only if the cast members are full time, which again I do not believe they are.