DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

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plutofan15

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peter11435 said:
It’s more than just that. Disney doesn’t have to pay cast to run muppets. Or cast at pizzarizo. Or servers, seaters, and kitchen staff at Mama Melrose. Or custodial cast to staff and clean the land and its two restrooms. Or leaders and coordinators for any of those locations. Or maintenance cast to work on the show, facilities, and equiptment in the theater, restaurant, and around the land. They don’t have to pay horticulture to replace flowers or trim trees. They don’t have to pay painters to touch up wear and tear. Or third shift to vacuum, high dust, or power wash. They don’t have to pay for replacement glasses, equipment or parts. They don’t even have to pay to AC those facilities or run the fountain. The list goes on.
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So you’re saying that all of those cast members manning those positions mentioned were let go/laid off? Because if they were just reassigned to other areas, there is zero savings.
 
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plutofan15

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lazyboy97o said:
You did…
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lazyboy97o said:
You did…
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I did not. Your post claimed that the reason for the closure was to save money on a laundry list of cast members that Disney would not have to pay. The only way for that to be true would be if those cast members were let go. Maybe some were but I am sure that the majority were reassigned to other areas of need or to fill open positions. Nobody said anything about over staffing.
 
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mattpeto

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plutofan15 said:
So you’re saying that all of those cast members manning those positions mentioned were let go/laid off? Because if they were just reassigned to other areas, there is zero savings.
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FWIW - I understand the point you're making. They also didn't lay anyone off who was working at MV3D. We talked to a cast member at Mama Melrose who was headed to Tratorria Al Forno.

While they don't technically save money from the individual displaced cast members (with no lay offs), it allows to re-distribute labor costs elsewhere on property in need (like the CM reassigned to Mama Melrose).

Not running anything in Grand Avenue will reduce DHS operating expenses, no question about it. But cutting expenses for the sake of it - I still don't believe that's why they closed MV3D.

At this point all I can do is watch that space with great interest.
 
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peter11435

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plutofan15 said:
So you’re saying that all of those cast members manning those positions mentioned were let go/laid off? Because if they were just reassigned to other areas, there is zero savings.
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All of those people will go work in other areas. But they won’t be just extra labor in those locations. They aren’t going to pay more people than they need in those other areas. Some full time cast might get less hours, some part time cast might not get scheduled at all. If they knew that some areas will be gaining displaced cast from Muppet courtyard they would have received less new hires and less CP’s to accommodate. At the end of the day every cast member that is not being scheduled in Muppet Courtyard any longer is a labor savings.
 
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plutofan15

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mattpeto said:
FWIW - I understand the point you're making. They also didn't lay anyone off who was working at MV3D. We talked to a cast member at Mama Melrose who was headed to Tratorria Al Forno.

While they don't technically save money from the individual displaced cast members (with no lay offs), it allows to re-distribute labor costs elsewhere on property in need (like the CM reassigned to Mama Melrose).

Not running anything in Grand Avenue will reduce DHS operating expenses, no question about it. But cutting expenses for the sake of it - I still don't believe that's why they closed MV3D.

At this point all I can do is watch that space with great interest.
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Right, reassigned cast members, depending on their assignment, could be in different cost centers. Less expense in one, increased expense in another - overall wash for the company as a whole.
Any savings from the restaurants needs to balanced against the loss of incoming revenue. As far as savings regarding utilities, yes there will be some (more than likely the largest savings). But, unless the building is being demolished, HVAC will not be completely shut off if the building will be repurposed. Completely shutting down AC is probably not a wise move in a hot & humid environment. The cost savings of closing this area is not as large as some believe.
 
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plutofan15

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peter11435 said:
All of those people will go work in other areas. But they won’t be just extra labor in those locations. They aren’t going to pay more people than they need in those other areas. Some full time cast might get less hours, some part time cast might not get scheduled at all. If they knew that some areas will be gaining displaced cast from Muppet courtyard they would have received less new hires and less CP’s to accommodate. At the end of the day every cast member that is not being scheduled in Muppet Courtyard any longer is a labor savings.
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They will not be extra labor. At no time is WDW, completely staffed 100%. Many of the cast members can be assigned throughout the entire WDW resort property depending on their jobs.
 
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I used to know someone who worked in that area. He worked a bunch of shows, including Indiana Jones and the Mickey Shorts theater.

So it's very likely that the CMs are still in that area and just don't have the option to get Muppet shifts anymore and, yes, are almost definitely getting less hours because of it.

If they're not then Disney will most likely not need to take on any new CMs in that area for a while, or at least less of them.
 
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peter11435

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plutofan15 said:
They will not be extra labor. At no time is WDW, completely staffed 100%. Many of the cast members can be assigned throughout the entire WDW resort property depending on their jobs.
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I know they won’t be extra labor. Thats the point. That’s why it will be a significant labor savings.

The cast will all have a new home location elsewhere on property or be scheduled in other areas of their existing location.

There will no longer be labor hours allocated to any muppet courtyard location. No other areas are suddenly going to have increased labor hours because muppet courtyard is closed. It is a savings.
 
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plutofan15

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peter11435 said:
I know they won’t be extra labor. Thats the point. That’s why it will be a significant labor savings.

The cast will all have a new home location elsewhere on property or be scheduled in other areas of their existing location.

There will no longer be labor hours allocated to any muppet courtyard location. No other areas are suddenly going to have increased labor hours because muppet courtyard is closed. It is a savings.
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Please reread what you posted.

Using hypothetical numbers, if labor costs of $100,000 is removed from area A (Muppets) and labor costs of that $100,000 are reassigned to areas B($50,000), C($25,000) & D($25,000), where exactly are the savings for the company as a whole? Additional labor added to an area absolutely add to labor costs in areas B,C & D.
 
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CAlexander

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plutofan15 said:
Please reread what you posted.

Using hypothetical numbers, if labor costs of $100,000 is removed from area A (Muppets) and labor costs of that $100,000 are reassigned to areas B($50,000), C($25,000) & D($25,000), where exactly are the savings for the company as a whole? Additional labor added to an area absolutely add to labor costs in areas B,C & D.
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People in the existing areas, as well as the reassigned people going to those areas, will receive less hours. At worst, cost will stay the same as before, but at its best, there will be less CMs working overall at any given point in DHS (since there is now one less area to cover), which is a cost savings.
 
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plutofan15

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peter11435 said:
All of those people will go work in other areas. But they won’t be just extra labor in those locations. They aren’t going to pay more people than they need in those other areas. Some full time cast might get less hours, some part time cast might not get scheduled at all. If they knew that some areas will be gaining displaced cast from Muppet courtyard they would have received less new hires and less CP’s to accommodate. At the end of the day every cast member that is not being scheduled in Muppet Courtyard any longer is a labor savings.
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Yes, it is possible that WDW may not hire new cast members for open positions with cast members from Muppets filling potential open positions. That cost is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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plutofan15 said:
Please reread what you posted.

Using hypothetical numbers, if labor costs of $100,000 is removed from area A (Muppets) and labor costs of that $100,000 are reassigned to areas B($50,000), C($25,000) & D($25,000), where exactly are the savings for the company as a whole? Additional labor added to an area absolutely add to labor costs in areas B,C & D.
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I think you need to reread what I posted.

Thats not how it works

No additional labor is being added to areas B C and D. Areas B C and D will still be scheduling the same number of labor hours.
 

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