News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

mickEblu

mickEblu

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wityblack said:
Maybe because they aren’t riding it?!?
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Ok forget Pirates. Please answer this. Of all the grannies and toddlers that visit Epcot, what percentage would you say are not riding Frozen Ever After because of the drops in your estimation? Also, what percentage of kids and adults do you think are happy that the drops exist?
 
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wityblack

wityblack

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mickEblu said:
Ok forget Pirates. Please answer this. Of all the grannies and toddlers that visit Epcot, what percentage would you say are not riding Frozen Ever After because of the drops in your estimation? Also, what percentage of kids and adults do you think are happy that the drops exist?
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I truly don't know. For toddlers, maybe 30% are scared, maybe 15% are excited about it?
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Honestly at this point I think we've beaten this horse dead, buried it, dug it up beat it some more, and buried it again. No need to re-dig it up again.

Clearly there are those that like drops. And clearly there are those that don't like drops. The numbers of both aren't known by any of us, and I suspect aren't known by anyone outside of phobia estimates.

For those that like drops, or that weightless feeling that comes from it, its hard to understand those that don't like it. I would imagine that many kids start out with the fear, but overcome it quickly. While there are many that develop lifelong fears of it, which is often associated with the fear of roller coasters called veloxrotaphobia.

Does Coco need a drop, no. Will it be a better experience with a drop, maybe. Will DCA be better overall no matter if Coco has a drop or not, a resounding yes.
 
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MistaDee

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wityblack said:
Maybe because they aren’t riding it?!?
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LOL seriously.

y'all should meet my friend "Survivorship Bias"

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Even for the people who aren't scared of the drops, some folks have medical issues who may not be comfortable taking the risk for a slipped disk or something.

Stepping back to look at all the new additions, if that community can have 1/4 of the rides be available to them instead of 0/4 then I think that's pretty meaningful

coffeefan said:
Brickey shared a new layout idea for Coco. This layout would keep the parades, which is the ideal outcome for DCA.


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This is the sort of thing I do find really insightful from Brickey. I definitely don't buy what he's saying RE E-ticket scale, because he reaches that conclusion without any evidence or well-reasoned deduction, but by parsing the permits and reading between the lines he's shed some light on this possibility that I had always mused over Google Maps, but hadn't really heard discussed as a realistic solution.
 
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DLR92

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J4546 said:
why even keep that road? just clear it all out including the parking lot for one massive space
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The former Disney Way access will most likely rerouted and reduced. Disney could and seem like they would reroute it to where food and supply access to Paradise Garden.
 
NobodyElse

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J4546 said:
why even keep that road? just clear it all out including the parking lot for one massive space
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Maybe related, maybe not, but keep in mind the area in yellow will likely always (at least my lifetime) need to remain open for maintenance / emergency access to the main power transmission lines. It's probably okay to utilize it as the primary backstage route, as long as it remains open and available. That would give them a little more flexibility regarding the current backstage roadways.
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EDIT for disclaimer: I haven't watched any of the referenced videos.
 
wityblack

wityblack

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NobodyElse said:
Maybe related, maybe not, but keep in mind the area in yellow will likely always (at least my lifetime) need to remain open for maintenance / emergency access to the main power transmission lines. It's probably okay to utilize it as the primary backstage route, as long as it remains open and available. That would give them a little more flexibility regarding the current backstage roadways.
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EDIT for disclaimer: I haven't watched any of the referenced videos.
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Radiator Springs Racers and east they have no need to expand south. This really only applies to the pier.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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DLR92 said:
He meant Disney Way.
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We assume that is what they meant, but I was just making sure. Because maybe they meant Disneyland Dr, in which it would be a completely different discussion.

Disney Way really could be eliminated completely and they build other access as needed for emergency and maintenance vehicles as part of this process.
 
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wityblack

wityblack

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Disney Irish said:
We assume that is what they meant, but I was just making sure. Because maybe they meant Disneyland Dr, in which it would be a completely different discussion.

Disney Way really could be eliminated completely and they build other access as needed for emergency and maintenance vehicles as part of this process.
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Not sure the city would be too keen on that.
 
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Disney Vault

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NobodyElse said:
Maybe related, maybe not, but keep in mind the area in yellow will likely always (at least my lifetime) need to remain open for maintenance / emergency access to the main power transmission lines. It's probably okay to utilize it as the primary backstage route, as long as it remains open and available. That would give them a little more flexibility regarding the current backstage roadways.
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I have always wondered this. The old parking route should be the dca backstage route so the park can better utilize the current backstage path
 
Old Mouseketeer

Old Mouseketeer

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NobodyElse said:
Maybe related, maybe not, but keep in mind the area in yellow will likely always (at least my lifetime) need to remain open for maintenance / emergency access to the main power transmission lines. It's probably okay to utilize it as the primary backstage route, as long as it remains open and available. That would give them a little more flexibility regarding the current backstage roadways.
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I think we need to define some issues, terms, and outstanding questions.
  1. The route in yellow is classified as an extension of Disney Way, which runs on the north side of GardenWalk (formerly Freedman Way). It's unclear what claims/restrictions Anaheim may have on this "street".
  2. This Disney Way extension is inside a fence, but there is another inner fence that is the actual DCA enclosure. Right now the extension is open at the Harbor end.
  3. The area under the very high voltage wires is likely an easement owned by SoCal Edison (relocated from the middle of the original parking lot) and also includes the underground less high voltage lines. At one point Disney had proposed to bury both sets of lines, but I'm assuming it is more costly to bury the highest voltage lines, if it's possible at all. This would have been part of the negotiation with SCE because the high tension lines across the old parking lot predate the building of Disneyland.
  4. There may be limits on what can be built directly under the lines and whether people can work in close proximity. Typically that space is leased to nurseries, parking, and other uses that are not occupied by people for extended periods.
  5. Theoretically Disney could repurpose this yellow area, most likely to become the new perimeter road and some storage (it's two lanes on each side of the high voltage towers).
  6. When DCA opened, many of you will recall that there were toll booths at the Harbor entrance of Disney Way with some parking remaining in the old Timon lot where Radiator Springs, Avenger's Campus and the new AC construction are located now. At the east end of Disney Way, guests could be sent across Disneyland Drive to park in the Simba lot south of the Disney hotels. There were parking lot trams that crossed Disneyland Drive and brought them up to the Esplanade (was that what is now the Toy Story drop-off?).
There is a lot of detailed history here and shared easements and rights among Disney, Anaheim, and SCE. I apologize if I have not stated it clearly enough--that's a bad habit of mine.

Bottom line--I think Disney is going to make use of this space along with the landscaping along Disneyland Drive just north of Katella, including the hidden Mickey that Brickey talked about. Hope this is helpful.
 

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