Do you have any Disney opinions that you feel differ to many on here?

DisneyHead123

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I am, and I generally enjoy the rustic log cabin aesthetic.

The Wilderness Lodge doesn’t feel that way to me. As mentioned, it feels too oversized and boxy, rather than emanating the coziness I associate with log cabin styles.

I do like the Boulder Ridge Villas lobby, and I think it’s because the shape and scale seem to fit the log cabin aesthetic more.

I feel the need to sell you on it now, but since this is the differing opinions thread, I guess I should let it go… (But have you considered how the height creates a dramatic, sweeping upward view? Have you stayed there during winter it really doesn’t count if you haven’t stayed by the fireside during winter hey what about that character totem pole…) 😂
 

DisneyHead123

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Disneyland very much was a pleasure ground for 55 year old men, living out their memories of 1910's small towns, or young boy fantasies carved by early century adventure books and films set in exotic locales or the Wild West, or big boy fantasies of spaceships and racecars and submarines.

From about 1990 Disney parks and resorts became infantilised, scary stuff removed, guns removed, models clad prudishly, cartoons no longer contained to Fantasyland, EPCOT Center undone. The MK Fantasyland's main experience for its first decades was boarding a submarine that went on to battle sea monsters, while the castle shop sold swords. Now the main experience is being tarted up in the castle then meeting a college student pretending to be a cartoon character.

More kid centered, more infantile. This, in turn, attracts a new kind of adult to Disney, sometimes bordering on arrested development ones, five year olds in a mature body being attracted to entertainment geared towards kids, to the memory of safe spaces these provide. The 'Disney adult' of 2025 is very different from the 1955 or 1980 'adult visiting Disney'.

Are we doing armchair philosophy? (Suddenly appears out of nowhere a centimeter from your nose, staring at you.) Hi.

Seriously, though, I find the core assumption here that “maturity” and “comfort with aggression and violence” are so linked fascinating and depressing (Without getting too much into spoilers, this was actually a theme in the newly released Elio.) I don’t mean this in regard to you specifically, it’s a common assumption.

Don’t get me wrong. I do think there’s a case to be made that solid equanimity towards a variety of experiences is a mark of maturity. But in arguments like the one you’re making, it’s not about a broad experience in general. It’s not about having visited different cultures, gone out of your comfort zone in a variety of ways, experienced joy and sorrow, ecstasy and despair, and everything in between. It’s about exposure to violence and sexuality equaling maturity.

To which I would say - a focus on what is gentle, positive and kind has often represented a step forward for culture. Remember when gentlemen (literally “gentle men”) ran around in foppish wigs, tunics and tights while attending the ballet? Ok, well, probably you don’t remember as that would make you hundreds of years old, but you know what I mean. That was during a time of rapid and important intellectual development in Western culture. Not to mention, one could make an argument that while Disney parks have narrowed in allowing displays of violence, they have broadened in representing different cultures, cuisines, lifestyles and technology.
 

The Empress Lilly

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That’s more what I thought of as a Disney adult, although I doubt they think Disney is perfect.

I thought of them more as adults who enjoy what Disney has to offer and can have a great time there even without kids.
For context, I *am* one of those adults visiting without kids. Most of my park time is me, 55m, visiting some Disney park somewhere in the world solo.

I reject that Disney is kid-oriented, and the no-kid adult somehow misplaced. This hasn't historically been the case. As for 'Disney adult', when it specifies not so much an adult guest as a specific kind of adult guest, well, I do see some adults in the parks that look like perhaps they need more adult and less Disney in their lives. One difference is that they embrace the 'Disney is for kids' rather than reject it, getting a bit uncomfortably close to adult men being a bit too much into My Little Pony and the like.
 

Tony the Tigger

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For context, I *am* one of those adults visiting without kids. Most of my park time is me, 55m, visiting some Disney park somewhere in the world solo.

I reject that Disney is kid-oriented, and the no-kid adult somehow misplaced. This hasn't historically been the case. As for 'Disney adult', when it specifies not so much an adult guest as a specific kind of adult guest, well, I do see some adults in the parks that look like perhaps they need more adult and less Disney in their lives. One difference is that they embrace the 'Disney is for kids' rather than reject it, getting a bit uncomfortably close to adult men being a bit too much into My Little Pony and the like.
You can be too much into MLP?! 🤪
 

Marc Davis Fan

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I feel the need to sell you on it now, but since this is the differing opinions thread, I guess I should let it go… (But have you considered how the height creates a dramatic, sweeping upward view? Have you stayed there during winter it really doesn’t count if you haven’t stayed by the fireside during winter hey what about that character totem pole…) 😂
I would love to be sold on it. In fact, when I’m at WDW in a few weeks, I can check out the features that you and others suggest paying attention to (though I’ll be staying elsewhere).

I’ve spent time there in the winter, during Christmastime, had mornings and evenings hanging out in the lobby, etc. I can’t remember what time of year I actually stayed there as a guest, because it was many years ago.

As for the height creating a dramatic, sweeping, upward view, are you referring to the lobby? I feel that way about AKL’s lobby, and especially GCH’s lobby (if you’ve never been, I hope you can make it over there sometime soon). But WL’s felt more like a box (perhaps in large part because it lacks the sweeping curves of the other two).
 

DisneyHead123

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I would love to be sold on it. In fact, when I’m at WDW in a few weeks, I can check out the features that you and others suggest paying attention to (though I’ll be staying elsewhere).

I’ve spent time there in the winter, during Christmastime, had mornings and evenings hanging out in the lobby, etc. I can’t remember what time of year I actually stayed there as a guest, because it was many years ago.

As for the height creating a dramatic, sweeping, upward view, are you referring to the lobby? I feel that way about AKL’s lobby, and especially GCH’s lobby (if you’ve never been, I hope you can make it over there sometime soon). But WL’s felt more like a box (perhaps in large part because it lacks the sweeping curves of the other two).

Try reading Little House On The Prairie before you go? 🤔
 

Goofyernmost

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Are we doing armchair philosophy? (Suddenly appears out of nowhere a centimeter from your nose, staring at you.) Hi.

Seriously, though, I find the core assumption here that “maturity” and “comfort with aggression and violence” are so linked fascinating and depressing (Without getting too much into spoilers, this was actually a theme in the newly released Elio.) I don’t mean this in regard to you specifically, it’s a common assumption.

Don’t get me wrong. I do think there’s a case to be made that solid equanimity towards a variety of experiences is a mark of maturity. But in arguments like the one you’re making, it’s not about a broad experience in general. It’s not about having visited different cultures, gone out of your comfort zone in a variety of ways, experienced joy and sorrow, ecstasy and despair, and everything in between. It’s about exposure to violence and sexuality equaling maturity.

To which I would say - a focus on what is gentle, positive and kind has often represented a step forward for culture. Remember when gentlemen (literally “gentle men”) ran around in foppish wigs, tunics and tights while attending the ballet? Ok, well, probably you don’t remember as that would make you hundreds of years old, but you know what I mean. That was during a time of rapid and important intellectual development in Western culture. Not to mention, one could make an argument that while Disney parks have narrowed in allowing displays of violence, they have broadened in representing different cultures, cuisines, lifestyles and technology.
Wow, I never knew it was possible to sling so much bull fertilizer in my life. What it really boils down to is that some people enjoy the simpler things in their quest for entertainment and others desire more complex albeit, in my opinion, less enjoyable forms of entertainment.
 

Goofyernmost

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For context, I *am* one of those adults visiting without kids. Most of my park time is me, 55m, visiting some Disney park somewhere in the world solo.

I reject that Disney is kid-oriented, and the no-kid adult somehow misplaced. This hasn't historically been the case. As for 'Disney adult', when it specifies not so much an adult guest as a specific kind of adult guest, well, I do see some adults in the parks that look like perhaps they need more adult and less Disney in their lives. One difference is that they embrace the 'Disney is for kids' rather than reject it, getting a bit uncomfortably close to adult men being a bit too much into My Little Pony and the like.
I have gone solo to WDW, Disneyland and Disneyland Paris as person in his 60's. I wasn't trying to be young or to fool anyone into thinking I was, what I was doing was visiting a park where both children and adults could enjoy the experience together even if one of those (children) happens to be missing. I've been to a war, was married for almost three decades, raised two children successfully into adulthood, ran my own business, managed others. I don't have to do anything to prove who or what I am and no one is going to make me doubt myself based on some silly, unrelated judgement. Life would be so much better if people could just accept things as the are on the surface and not try to make everything any of us do, into some form of Psychological assessment.
 

DisneyHead123

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Wow, I never knew it was possible to sling so much bull fertilizer in my life. What it really boils down to is that some people enjoy the simpler things in their quest for entertainment and others desire more complex albeit, in my opinion, less enjoyable forms of entertainment.

Here's the "Too long, didn't read" summary of what I was saying:

- The poster seemed to be equating "childishness" with "removing violence from the parks". And "maturity" with "comfort being exposed to violence".

- This is a common view given mankind's slow and violent move from nature to modern civilization. But if examined, I don't think it's a sort of universal truth. Maturity could mean many things other than toughness, and often in history when it has (when maturity was associated with intellectual development, creative achievement, exploration and so on), great things have come of it.
 

HMF

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More kid centered, more infantile. This, in turn, attracts a new kind of adult to Disney, sometimes bordering on arrested development ones, five year olds in a mature body being attracted to entertainment geared towards kids, to the memory of safe spaces these provide. The 'Disney adult' of 2025 is very different from the 1955 or 1980 'adult visiting Disney'.
I had to defend being a disney fan back in 2009 when someone actually said it was only for kids and I had to explain to them that what I love about Disney is not the stuff they marketed and that was in 2009. Since then, the infantilization and dumbing down of the brand has only gotten worse to the point where I can't blame people today for thinking it's "Just for Kids".
 

DisneyHead123

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I had to defend being a disney fan back in 2009 when someone actually said it was only for kids and I had to explain to them that what I love about Disney is not the stuff they marketed and that was in 2009. Since then, the infantilization and dumbing down of the brand has only gotten worse to the point where I can't blame people today for thinking it's "Just for Kids".

Just my opinion, but I feel like Disney and Pixar movies are like profound literature when compared to most of what kids are watching today. “Ba-na-na!” “Skibidy!” “Chicken jockey!” “Peaches peaches peaches peaches…” “Give me some Skittles, but I don’t wanna pay for them…” If it even has words because YouTube videos try to avoid having to translate into multiple language so many of them can be understood with visual gags alone.
 

HMF

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Just my opinion, but I feel like Disney and Pixar movies are like profound literature when compared to most of what kids are watching today. “Ba-na-na!” “Skibidy!” “Chicken jockey!” “Peaches peaches peaches peaches…” “Give me some Skittles, but I don’t wanna pay for them…” If it even has words because YouTube videos try to avoid having to translate into multiple language so many of them can be understood with visual gags alone.
I don't disagree with you there. I still think the current script for Spaceship Earth is openly insulting to guests intelligence and it has been in use since 2007.
 

Tha Realest

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Same.
I have a strong connection to the song, based in my early childhood. It was the first attraction we visited on our first trip to Disneyland, in the summer of ‘68. At the time, I was 5 years old and had 2 younger bros (lil’ sis’ wouldn’t come along ‘til ‘75).
Our Mother used to break out singing the song (not belting it out ;)) from time to time, including while putting us to bed at night. She’s still with us at age 86 (as well as Pop at age 92).
Anyway, the song dose not bug me in the least, and never has…it makes me smile…!!! :)
Same here. My mother went on the original attraction with her mother at the 1964 World’s Fair, and recalls her mother remarking how it was the most beautiful experience. Sadly, her mother would die a few years later suddenly (about a decade before I was born) but every time I experience it with my mom (and now my own kids) I can’t help but reflect on the multigenerational experience that attraction has given to my family.
 

donaldtoo

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Same here. My mother went on the original attraction with her mother at the 1964 World’s Fair, and recalls her mother remarking how it was the most beautiful experience. Sadly, her mother would die a few years later suddenly (about a decade before I was born) but every time I experience it with my mom (and now my own kids) I can’t help but reflect on the multigenerational experience that attraction has given to my family.

My sincerest condolences on the early passing of your grandmother.
I was fortunate enough to know my 4 grandparents well, for many years, and never took it for granted.
Our 3 kiddos (now grown - ages 30, 32 and 34) have ridden IaSW many times, and also love it.
Now a 4th generation is lovin’ it…our 2 young granddaughters, ages 4 and 6. Youngest has ridden on 2 trips, oldest 3 trips.
Sure, some of it is, of course, based in nostalgia, but we all also really do just love the attraction…!!!!! :inlove::happy:;):)
 

Tony the Tigger

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I had to defend being a disney fan back in 2009 when someone actually said it was only for kids and I had to explain to them that what I love about Disney is not the stuff they marketed and that was in 2009. Since then, the infantilization and dumbing down of the brand has only gotten worse to the point where I can't blame people today for thinking it's "Just for Kids".
Because fake Norway is now in fake real 1940’s Norway?
 

graphite1326

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More kid centered, more infantile. This, in turn, attracts a new kind of adult to Disney, sometimes bordering on arrested development ones, five year olds in a mature body being attracted to entertainment geared towards kids, to the memory of safe spaces these provide. The 'Disney adult' of 2025 is very different from the 1955 or 1980 'adult visiting Disney'.
Maybe that is why I'm upset at the changes they have made (being a Disney adult) since I hate that they put in Frozen for example. I would have rather that they kept Norway the way it was. More for adults. I guess you could also say the same about the rat ride in France. I never saw the movies. I don't care about the movies. I have no reason to see the movies. So these rides as they are mean nothing to me.
 

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