MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[UNCgolf]

It's nice to have attractions and similiarlities on both coasts. And it's nice to have some differences too.

I don't see why anyone would want MK to have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions than Disneyland in general, though, specifics of what they are aside.

 

[mattpeto]

I don't see why anyone would want MK to have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions than Disneyland in general, though, specifics of what they are aside.

Oh yeah agreed!

 

[Purduevian]

Here’s a reminder of how water in concept art can be exaggerated vs. real life.

Water alone isn’t the problem with this expansion of course. View attachment 867023

I think all the water shown. exists in real life. Obviously it's not as bright blue in real life.

 

[SamusAranX]

It most certainly is a barrier , just look at the map. Can you engineer around it of course, but is that a wise use of money - they don’t believe it is. It will now be a much more usable space for both attraction experiences as well as getting people to the other side . Plus it has the potential to be scenically beautiful. You won’t need to wait and take a stupid raft to get there either.

Disneyland is a different animal with its legacy. It’ll stay there for anyone who misses the WDW version.

Engineer around it? Again, you’re pretending that is the ONLY space in MK (aka in the middle of existing lands) that can be developed on. The park is surrounded by available space and even has expansion pads set aside (most notably by AL, which almost became Moana). By any objective measure, RoA, or any other attraction in MK, is not a barrier to expansion. DL is different, as they are surrounded by strip malls, hotels and existing development that would cost millions to acquire yet they still manage to find ways to expand and minimize removals. You can debate the merits and what not of this project but it cannot be said objectively that RoA is a “barrier” and HAD to go

 

[Gusey]

Engineer around it? Again, you’re pretending that is the ONLY space in MK (aka in the middle of existing lands) that can be developed on. The park is surrounded and even has expansion pads set aside (most notably by AL, which almost became Moana). By any objective measure, RoA, or any other attraction in MK, is not a barrier to expansion. DL is different, as they are surrounded by strip malls, hotels and existing development that would cost millions to acquire yet they still manage to find ways to expand and minimize removals. You can debate the merits and what not of this project but it cannot be said objectively that RoA is a “barrier” and HAD to go

No matter what, to access the area where Villains goes up against the train tracks, the RoA would have had to be altered, particularly next to the Haunted Mansion queue to provide access from Liberty Square to Villains.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again, do you have a link?
And again, I've mentioned them getting rid of RoA completely and building a new river. That new river is not speculation, but the size of it is still speculation until it's built. If you are just going to keep ignoring what I'm actually writing, then what is the point of having this discussion. You don't like this project. I do. Let's just leave it at that at this point. But please let us actually discuss this project and the facts that have been presented without constantly being criticised and condescended for liking the project.

The issue isn’t liking the project. It’s you trying to be keeper of the facts when you don’t even know where to get a Document of factual information. You tried to wrap your own speculation, that does not follow the information available, as facts in order to shut down criticism.

 

[Gusey]

The issue isn’t liking the project. It’s you trying to be keeper of the facts when you don’t even know where to get a Document of factual information. You tried to wrap your own speculation, that does not follow the information available, as facts in order to shut down criticism.

The link doesn't work.
And there's that condescending tone again. Did I ever say I was "Keeper of the facts"
Let's just recap what's actually happened This whole thing today has started with you replying to a post I wrote just saying that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature. I then just listed everything we know about the project from official press releases and just said what we don't know as fact yet which is the width of the new river. Yet, every time, you've accused my of making stuff up, all as speculation, as a way for me to "shut down criticism". I'm well aware of the criticism of this project and understand why people are upset about it. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to post on here with information we know about this project.

 

[SamusAranX]

No matter what, to access the area where Villains goes up against the train tracks, the RoA would have had to be altered, particularly next to the Haunted Mansion queue to provide access from Liberty Square to Villains.

Small alterations that preserve overall attractions? Sign me up! Wholesale gutting? I’m not particularly attached to RoA but on principle I’m against any symptom of the continuing underlying issue that’s plagued WDW for some time now

 

[Touchdown]

What’s cheaper for Disney to do? Dig a new ditch and a narrower width or just keep the old one? I’m going to hazard than seeing as it’s cheaper to keep the old channel that most likely the width will remain the same.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What’s cheaper for Disney to do? Dig a new ditch and a narrower width or just keep the old one? I’m going to hazard than seeing as it’s cheaper to keep the old channel that most likely the width will remain the same.

They’re digging huge new ponds and a new canal to replace the water storage capacity lost by the removal of the Rivers of America.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It's nice to have attractions and similiarlities on both coasts. And it's nice to have some differences too.

Of course. The riverboat and Tom Sawyer island are different on both coasts - I like them both.

Just like the riverboat and adventure isle are quite different in Paris - which I also love.

 

[Raineman]

I just watched a new POV walkthrough video of TSI last night (by 4K WDW, which is a great YouTube channel). While watching it, I started to really understand why TSI has not been busy for a while, and it has to do with the way TSI needs to be fully enjoyed. TSI was built to allow people to slow down a bit, and to indulge in discovery and exploration and old-fashioned childlike play and immersion in the Americana of yesteryear. The average modern park guest has the park commando mindset (at least partially), and if it isn't an attraction that they can knock off in 10 minutes and move on to the next, they're not interested. And all through the video, I kept shaking my head in disbelief that it will all be rubble soon. TSI and ROA have a heart and a soul that the new Cars attractions will never have. I have accepted that this change is happening, but after watching that video, it makes it feel like more of a mistake to me than it did before, but at the same time understanding why so many people are applauding the change.

 

[Touchdown]

They’re digging huge new ponds and a new canal to replace the water storage capacity lost by the removal of the Rivers of America.

Yeah we are losing 2/3rds of the river, even if they keep CBJ to BTMRR. That doesn’t disprove them potentially keeping the same width in the retained 3rd.

 

[LSLS]

The link doesn't work.
And there's that condescending tone again. Did I ever say I was "Keeper of the facts"
Let's just recap what's actually happened This whole thing today has started with you replying to a post I wrote just saying that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature. I then just listed everything we know about the project from official press releases and just said what we don't know as fact yet which is the width of the new river. Yet, every time, you've accused my of making stuff up, all as speculation, as a way for me to "shut down criticism". I'm well aware of the criticism of this project and understand why people are upset about it. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to post on here with information we know about this project.

The link works for me (it should be direct download of a PDF). But if it doesn't for you, just go to the South Florida Water Management District site and search the records there.

 

[mlayton144]

Engineer around it? Again, you’re pretending that is the ONLY space in MK (aka in the middle of existing lands) that can be developed on. The park is surrounded by available space and even has expansion pads set aside (most notably by AL, which almost became Moana). By any objective measure, RoA, or any other attraction in MK, is not a barrier to expansion. DL is different, as they are surrounded by strip malls, hotels and existing development that would cost millions to acquire yet they still manage to find ways to expand and minimize removals. You can debate the merits and what not of this project but it cannot be said objectively that RoA is a “barrier” and HAD to go

Ok now you are just arguing semantics - had to go as in what is reasonable with where they want to deploy their capital. Keeping an island that no one goes to, and requiring travel by barge 50 people at a time is not something they want to spend money on, and I agree with that. Remember Disneyland hasn’t closed , you can still enjoy your river

 

[Disstevefan1]

The link doesn't work.
And there's that condescending tone again. Did I ever say I was "Keeper of the facts"

After the pandemic I no longer know what facts are or what science is.....

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yeah we are losing 2/3rds of the river, even if they keep CBJ to BTMRR. That doesn’t disprove them potentially keeping the same width in the retained 3rd.

They’re not going to demolish a third of the basin to just rebuild it nearly as it was. Something that big would have still functioned for water management. There is not enough space to leave the lower third and fit the attraction and its associated scenery.

 

[donaldtoo]

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That’s a lot of trees down for a staging area.

 

[Unbanshee]

What’s cheaper for Disney to do? Dig a new ditch and a narrower width or just keep the old one? I’m going to hazard than seeing as it’s cheaper to keep the old channel that most likely the width will remain the same.

I believe the permits call for the entire area to have a uniform spread of dirt. Whatever water makes the final cut in Piston Peak will not resemble the Rivers of America, or anything like it

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think all the water shown. exists in real life. Obviously it's not as bright blue in real life.

the water features that exist are much smaller scale than the concept art.

Which is why I said “exaggerated.” I’m not 100% all of the waterfalls are there but they are such a basic trickle when they are on it’s hard to say.