Elio (Pixar - June 2025)

Sir_Cliff

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It's A+ for those under 25

83% PostTrack recommend

90% with audiences on RT (85% critics)

With reactions like this, why didn't Disney allow reviews earlier? Why didn't they captialize on this to raise word of mouth?

The expected $22 million opening is the lowest ever for a Pixar movie, even without adjusting for inflation.

It would need an amazing 5x multiplier just to get to $100 million domestically.

Disney dropped the ball on this one. It may not be Pixar's best, but by all accounts, they at least made a movie people liked.
I honestly find the low box office for this a little depressing.

Reviews are good from critics and audiences alike, but it looks like it will tank and I'm sure the headlines on Monday will be about how this is Pixar's worst opening to date.

Whatever the reason for it, this performance will make it harder for anyone at Pixar and WDFA to pitch original animated features in the near future. Not impossible, but it is another data point that says to executives that audiences want sequels and remakes rather than original stories. Even when original films perform well, they rarely perform as well and they bomb far more frequently.

I'm not sure why anyone would be happy to see the film perform like this, however interested they were in seeing it.
 
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Miss Rori

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With reactions like this, why didn't Disney allow reviews earlier? Why didn't they captialize on this to raise word of mouth?

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Disney dropped the ball on this one. It may not be Pixar's best, but by all accounts, they at least made a movie people liked.
I really do wonder what went wrong here. Anybody who saw Moana 2 or the Lilo & Stitch remake had to have seen the trailers, to say nothing of the other kids' movies they went out with, but they didn't pique audiences' interest enough to make the film a must-see out of the gate.

I keep thinking back to how badly Wish did despite Disney doing far more to promote it; again, the teaser was ubiquitous from April 2023 onwards, it showed up in front of hits like Barbie, and yet people didn't turn up when the time came. Does Disney just not know how to make new concepts appealing to audiences anymore?

As for not lifting the review embargo sooner, I think Disney has been deathly scared to lift them ever since doing so early (via the Cannes world premieres) for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny and Elemental hobbled those films' reception out of the gate, and then lifting it five days before Wish later in 2023 (in part because they were doing the Disney fan screenings the Saturday before) had perhaps catastrophic results when critics were unenthusiastic and even scathing. The last few releases, be they MCU movies or sequels or remakes, all seem to have their embargo lifted at most 3 days beforehand, though that's just my memory speaking.
 

Phroobar

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Really I think we should stop trying to compare small-budget horror movies to other Hollywood releases. As there is a reason why there is a glut of them being released to the market, and why there is starting to be fatigue among them. Sure they hit profitability quicker, but they aren't immune from the same slow box office that we've seen over the last few years.
Except they are both opening a the same time and one is doing better than then other one.
 

TalkingHead

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I honestly find the low box office for this a little depressing.

Reviews are good from critics and audiences alike, but it looks like it will tank and I'm sure the headlines on Monday will be about how this is Pixar's worst opening to date.

Whatever the reason for it, this performance will make it harder for anyone at Pixar and WDFA to pitch original animated features in the near future. Not impossible, but it is another data point that says to executives that audiences want sequels and remakes rather than original stores. Even when original films perform well, they rarely perform as well and they bomb far more frequently.

I'm not sure why anyone would be happy to see the film perform like this, however interested they were in seeing it.
Unfortunately we know their takeaway point will boil down to receipts: Inside Out 2 vs. Elio.
I really do wonder what went wrong here. Anybody who saw Moana 2 or the Lilo & Stitch remake had to have seen the trailers, to say nothing of the other kids' movies they went out with, but they didn't pique audiences' interest enough to make the film a must-see out of the gate.

I keep thinking back to how badly Wish did despite Disney doing far more to promote it; again, the teaser was ubiquitous from April 2023 onwards, it showed up in front of hits like Barbie, and yet people didn't turn up when the time came. Does Disney just not know how to make new concepts appealing to audiences anymore?

As for not lifting the review embargo sooner, I think Disney has been deathly scared to lift them ever since doing so early (via the Cannes world premieres) for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny and Elemental hobbled those films' reception out of the gate, and then lifting it five days before Wish later in 2023 (in part because they were doing the Disney fan screenings the Saturday before) had perhaps catastrophic results when critics were unenthusiastic and even scathing. The last few releases, be they MCU movies or sequels or remakes, all seem to have their embargo lifted at most 3 days beforehand, though that's just my memory speaking.
Having seen the trailers multiple times, I still don’t understand what the marketable hook was supposed to be and apparently neither did the editors who cut the promos.
 

Sir_Cliff

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I really do wonder what went wrong here. Anybody who saw Moana 2 or the Lilo & Stitch remake had to have seen the trailers, to say nothing of the other kids' movies they went out with, but they didn't pique audiences' interest enough to make the film a must-see out of the gate.

I keep thinking back to how badly Wish did despite Disney doing far more to promote it; again, the teaser was ubiquitous from April 2023 onwards, it showed up in front of hits like Barbie, and yet people didn't turn up when the time came. Does Disney just not know how to make new concepts appealing to audiences anymore?

As for not lifting the review embargo sooner, I think Disney has been deathly scared to lift them ever since doing so early (via the Cannes world premieres) for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny and Elemental hobbled those films' reception out of the gate, and then lifting it five days before Wish later in 2023 (in part because they were doing the Disney fan screenings the Saturday before) had perhaps catastrophic results when critics were unenthusiastic and even scathing. The last few releases, be they MCU movies or sequels or remakes, all seem to have their embargo lifted at most 3 days beforehand, though that's just my memory speaking.
I think Wish is kind of a different case as the film received such a mixed reception and also came out at a strange moment in terms of public perception for Disney following Lightyear and Strange World. I don't know why it did quite as badly as it did, but it doesn't surprise me that it didn't catch on with audiences.

I'm also not sure if holding back reviews had any impact one way or another. Maybe it would have helped to build up word of mouth. Then again, I don't think the tracking for the film went up once the reviews did come out. If anything, the adjustments seem to have continually been downward.

I will say, though, everyone on here seemed down on the film based on the trailer, whereas I thought it looked quite promising, so I may not be the best person to comment on what they did wrong in promoting this film! It does feel to me, though, that they gave it as soft a push as they could without simply shelving the film. It has had so little hype and build-up and been released directly into the shadow of two big films aimed at exactly the same audience, one from Disney also featuring space aliens. I just can't help but think Disney saw how hard it would be to turn it into a hit, didn't see an alternative time to release it in their schedule, and more or less gave up.
 
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Disney Irish

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Except they are both opening a the same time and one is doing better than then other one.
And? They are totally different audience bases first and foremost with almost no crossover. Also movies open against each other all the time, one always does better than the other so on surprise there.

Second is that 28 Years appears to be coming in lower than expected, its tracking right now in the lower end of its range, if tracking holds it'll also struggle to make back its budget which is the highest of the franchise (more than double the other two combined). Which is showing that there is fatigue happening in horror right due to the glut being released (90 being released in 2025 alone), something that I mentioned in other threads. I expect M3gan2.0 next week to also come in the lower end of its range too (if this tracking holds).

Third, we've been down this road before, Disney original movies start soft, especially SciFi. Now it remains to be seen if Elio will end up pulling out a good total box office, but I don't automatically subscribe to the idea that a soft opening automatically means bomb. So it'll have to be a wait and see.
 

Stripes

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DisneyWarrior27

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And? They are totally different audience bases first and foremost with almost no crossover. Also movies open against each other all the time, one always does better than the other so on surprise there.

Second is that 28 Years appears to be coming in lower than expected, its tracking right now in the lower end of its range, if tracking holds it'll also struggle to make back its budget which is the highest of the franchise (more than double the other two combined). Which is showing that there is fatigue happening in horror right due to the glut being released (90 being released in 2025 alone), something that I mentioned in other threads. I expect M3gan2.0 next week to also come in the lower end of its range too (if this tracking holds).

Third, we've been down this road before, Disney original movies start soft, especially SciFi. Now it remains to be seen if Elio will end up pulling out a good total box office, but I don't automatically subscribe to the idea that a soft opening automatically means bomb. So it'll have to be a wait and see.
Exactly what I’m saying
 

BrianLo

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It's A+ for those under 25

83% PostTrack recommend

90% with audiences on RT (85% critics)

With reactions like this, why didn't Disney allow reviews earlier? Why didn't they captialize on this to raise word of mouth?

The expected $22 million opening is the lowest ever for a Pixar movie, even without adjusting for inflation.

It would need an amazing 5x multiplier just to get to $100 million domestically.

Disney dropped the ball on this one. It may not be Pixar's best, but by all accounts, they at least made a movie people liked.

We should be sad about this one unless some Elemental miracle befalls it.
 

Disney Analyst

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As has been said many times… the audience is a fickle beast these days. Many people just wait for streaming. The movie going experience is generally abysmal, and expensive.

Unless it goes viral in some way, or is based on a big known IP, legacy film, or something… many films seem to not do so hot these days.

The hits for originals seem rarer and rarer…
 

Sir_Cliff

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As has been said many times… the audience is a fickle beast these days. Many people just wait for streaming. The movie going experience is generally abysmal, and expensive.

Unless it goes viral in some way, or is based on a big known IP, legacy film, or something… many films seem to not do so hot these days.

The hits for originals seem rarer and rarer…
It is kind of a depressing commentary on society. People don't want something new, but references to things they already know.

All of this makes you understand why the parks are so IP-heavy.
 

Disney Analyst

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It is kind of a depressing commentary on society. People don't want something new, but references to things they already know.

All of this makes you understand why the parks are so IP-heavy.

Our society lives in a world of clout.

What’s the current big thing that I can post about on social that will get traction and likes?

And then everyone moves on to something else 2.5 seconds later.
 

DisneyWarrior27

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Now that I’ve seen Disney & Pixar’s #Elio all the 5 times in the three different formats I planned to see it in, I find it amazing how far Pixar has come from the friendships that they’ve made for the big screen since beginning with Woody and Buzz in Toy Story back in 1995 and now continuing with Elio and Glordon. It makes me eagerly await the other friendships Pixar will give us in the years to come in their next original movies like #Hoppers next March and especially #Gatto in 2027.

That’s a true testament to the ever persisting strength that Pixar has, despite the continuing challenges they face, and it shows, despite the worries for their future, that their future is bright, more bright than those who fear what’ll happen to it say it is. I’ve seen the studio do great things and go through many things. A pandemic, a shift in the way people view them now compared to the early 2000’s. And year after year, they still manage to make films for themselves and those in charge of them, in spite of the stumbles and challenges they continue to face today. So who is the weaker studio? It’s the studio that sends their original animated films to streaming in Sony Pictures Animation, not Pixar. That studio is a lot stronger than the folks who doubt it will last any longer say it is.

And they know that. Don’t they.

Anyway, #Elio’s still a great movie after the five viewings of it I’ve seen and I hope that with the still strong reviews it’s getting, people will open their minds and give it a fair chance before it’s too late. Even those who doubted it now realize they shouldn’t have doubted it over trailers that didn’t do the film justice, unless it was the one shown at D23 in Anaheim last August.

I’ll forever be glad that I never gave up on this movie, regardless of what its fate at the box office may be.
 

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lightningtap347

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Now that I’ve seen Disney & Pixar’s #Elio all the 5 times in the three different formats I planned to see it in, I find it amazing how far Pixar has come from the friendships that they’ve made for the big screen since beginning with Woody and Buzz in Toy Story back in 1995 and now continuing with Elio and Glordon. It makes me eagerly await the other friendships Pixar will give us in the years to come in their next original movies like #Hoppers next March and especially #Gatto in 2027.

That’s a true testament to the ever persisting strength that Pixar has, despite the continuing challenges they face, and it shows, despite the worries for their future, that their future is bright, more bright than those who fear what’ll happen to it say it is. I’ve seen the studio do great things and go through many things. A pandemic, a shift in the way people view them now compared to the early 2000’s. And year after year, they still manage to make films for themselves and those in charge of them, in spite of the stumbles and challenges they continue to face today. So who is the weaker studio? It’s the studio that sends their original animated films to streaming in Sony Pictures Animation, not Pixar. That studio is a lot stronger than the folks who doubt it will last any longer say it is.

And they know that. Don’t they.

Anyway, #Elio’s still a great movie after the five viewings of it I’ve seen and I hope that with the still strong reviews it’s getting, people will open their minds and give it a fair chance before it’s too late. Even those who doubted it now realize they shouldn’t have doubted it over trailers that didn’t do the film justice, unless it was the one shown at D23 in Anaheim last August.

I’ll forever be glad that I never gave up on this movie, regardless of what its fate at the box office may be.
Holy #Ad Batman!
 

DKampy

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with the success of L&S and HtTyD and the underperformance Elio….get ready for the pause on live action remakes to be short live… especially if Moana hits… which I expect it might… people say they want original movies…But when studios give them to you people don’t watch
 

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