MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Dreamer19]

Yes. We all love waiting in lines at theme parks with no way to escape them. Makes for an outstanding overall experience.

I can’t wait for Celestial Park in Uni to eventually utilize all that underutilized space.

Good point.

Is there an argument against them filling up all of that open space in front of the castle too?

Why not pave over the ponds? There is a lot of wasted space headed into Tomorrowland too…hmm.

 

[Chi84]

Do you believe this emerged from a vacuum? That a lot of posters here woke up and said, “Today I want to be sad about something I loved?”

Maybe they didn’t the first few years, but Disney has changed significantly and continues to do so. At some point it does become a choice.

No one knows for certain but I don’t see WDW ever going back to the way it was in the past. If people don’t find it enjoyable now and there’s no indication it will get better, doesn’t the sadness just get exhausting?

 

[donaldtoo]

So would you rather everyone expressed nothing but positivity and happiness with the decisions Disney is making? That's called Fantasyland.

If I don't like something, I'm going to call it out. I think others here feel the same way. If more and more people are complaining, and the negativity seems to be on the rise, what do you think is the reason for that...?

Here's my hypothesis: Disney is doing more and more stuff that people disagree with. The "increased negativity" is Disney's own fault for making stupid decisions.

Yep, if I don’t agree with Disney decisions I’m calling them out…it’s a Disney discussion forum…the good, the bad and the ugly. Based on opinion, of course.
Perhaps some members should start a “Disney Positivity Only” thread…?!
This “Cars” modern off-road racing in a land set in the old west frontier (1870-ish) continues to befuddle me…
And, ditto regarding your last sentence.

 

[Chi84]

Perhaps some members should start a “Disney Positivity Only” thread…?!

Someone actually did that once but it had to closed down because of all the negative trolling.

 

[Gusey]

As to leaving some water in place - folks understand that space is finite, right? When was the last time that WDW constructed an attraction that was going to be bounded on all sides by guest areas, with three sides already existing? Anything besides the masterpiece that is Journey of Water? Either the ride or the water has to be shortchanged. That’s just reality.

This is the negativity we're talking about. You're saying that Disney are either going to shorten the attraction or the water feature because it's "just reality" when its purely negative speculation on your behalf. It's not reality until the attraction opens. I'm one who prefers to only deal with the information actually presented to us and not think doom and gloom about something I've made up is going to happen

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Is there an argument against them filling up all of that open space in front of the castle too?

They already did…. There used to be much more open space and water. They filled it in and made space to sell vip fireworks viewing. Since there is very little shade - it’s virtually useless during the day and the fountains they added are incredibly basic.

When first announced I had hopes it would be similar to the gardens at Disneyland Paris - which are beautiful.

 

[Dreamer19]

Why do you think I would want to do that?
I think the current management is greedy and the prices are too high, but the experience is still quite a bit of fun.

I’m perfectly happy to contribute to the site but it concerns me when I see posters say they don’t post much anymore because of the constant negativity.

To be honest, I joined this site because I wanted to discuss what I feel is a decline in quality of the Disney product.

I grew up loving this company and once upon of time would have been right here cheering every decision. I worked for the company for ten years. I still have a lot of friends who work there.

(Just the other day, a current Cast Member came up to me at church and showed me the new “Cars” land design saying “what are they thinking?”)

I don’t have an agenda, as someone else here stated. I care. I want this company to be as great as it was when Walt ran it, or at least as good as it was when Eisner ran it.

I feel I’ve had some good discussions about ideas and direction here. I don’t feel like I’m part of a bunch of Karens wanting to see the Disney manager.

I just care and I’m upset. That’s okay.

 

[donaldtoo]

Someone actually did that once but it had to closed down because of all the negative trolling.

Not cool, and I definitely wouldn’t do that. I don’t troll, and would stay outta’ there (unless just reading), and not post, unless it was positive.

 

[TheRealSkull]

Yep, if I don’t agree with Disney decisions I’m calling them out…it’s a Disney discussion forum…the good, the bad and the ugly. Based on opinion, of course.
Perhaps some members should start a “Disney Positivity Only” thread…?!
This “Cars” modern off-road racing in a land set in the old west frontier (1870-ish) continues to befuddle me…
And, ditto regarding your last sentence.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But to be fair, as much as we don't like it, Frontierland is no longer going to be about the late 1800s anymore.

 

[Ayla]

As long as I’m bloviating… I recently stayed at a Disney World resort for an extended period for the first time in over a decade. Here are a few things that struck me;

No room service except at the Floridian. For the rates Disney charges, that’s utterly unacceptable. Worse, the room service option is still on the in-room phones! Disney just doesn’t care.

No package delivery to resorts. Disney just doesn’t care.

No AP discounts on quick service. Disney just doesn’t care.

Terrible operations at the resorts. The personnel are great and try to do their best, but they are hampered at every turn by simply awful restrictions. Disney just doesn’t care.

A lack of live street performances. The parks feel nowhere near as alive as they once did. Disney just doesn’t care.

And on a slightly different note…

An embarrassing slate of awful and/ or ancient shows, particularly at the Studios. This used to be an area in which Disney excelled. Now… Disney just doesn’t care.

I suspect most of these complaints are old hat to regular guests. As a lobster who just plunged back into the pot after years away, however, the shortcomings were stark. I’ll be honest… I complain a lot on here, but I didn’t realize just how much things had changed for the worse.

Excuse me, sir. This post contains too much negativity (*cough* truth) for this "site" and it must be reined in in order not to besmirch their good name. Sir!

 

[Ayla]

This is the negativity we're talking about. You're saying that Disney are either going to shorten the attraction or the water feature because it's "just reality" when its purely negative speculation on your behalf. It's not reality until the attraction opens. I'm one who prefers to only deal with the information actually presented to us and not think doom and gloom about something I've made up is going to happen

Logical criticism is not negativity. There are a whole lot of people here that need to learn how to be critical thinkers. It is sorely lacking with all this "rah rah Disney is GREAT!!" chorus.

 

[Chi84]

Logical criticism is not negativity. There are a whole lot of people here that need to learn how to be critical thinkers. It is sorely lacking with all this "rah rah Disney is GREAT!!" chorus.

Where are you hearing this chorus? Please be specific.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But to be fair, as much as we don't like it, Frontierland is no longer about the late 1800s anymore.

That’s the point… the original themes are being erased and replaced with IP of the day.

DHS is “no longer a studio”
DAK is “no longer about the animals”
Epcot is “no longer Epcot”
Etc.

 

[Ayla]

Where are you hearing this chorus? Please be specific.

Oh, come on. You can't be serious. I know you are reading the same threads I am.

In every single thread, and it is almost always prefaced by the word "negativity".

 

[Casper Gutman]

This is the negativity we're talking about. You're saying that Disney are either going to shorten the attraction or the water feature because it's "just reality" when it’s purely negative speculation on your behalf. It's not reality until the attraction opens. I'm one who prefers to only deal with the information actually presented to us and not think doom and gloom about something I've made up is going to happen

Of course - we need to forget the most fundamental rules of physics to avoid “doom and gloom” about the brand. Two objects CAN occupy the same space at the same time!

There are many valid arguments in favor of the Cars ride. This is not one. This is fantasy.

 

[donaldtoo]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But to be fair, as much as we don't like it, Frontierland is no longer going to be about the late 1800s anymore.

But, for now anyway, it still is.
The other side of that is, by the time this abomination is complete, all vestiges of Frontierland may have been erased by then…?
We were there in Oct. of ‘23 and June/July of ‘24, and, fortunately, that whole stretch all the way to BTMR (sans TBA, of course) still looks like Frontierland.
Modern off-road racing doesn’t tie in with either old west frontier OR 1920’s TBA.
Where are they going with all this…?!?!?!

 

[Gusey]

Of course - we need to forget the most fundamental rules of physics to avoid “doom and gloom” about the brand. Two objects CAN occupy the same space at the same time!

There are many valid arguments in favor of the Cars ride. This is not one. This is fantasy.

I'm not sure how the FACTS we've been presented with can be classed as Fantasy? Even the original concept art showed a water feature directly next to the Frontierland pathway, even if it was obscured by trees. The newer piece of art highlighted the river more.
Plus, it is entirely physically possible for 2 things to share the same space. You can have the river, and the Cars ride on an elevated piece if track above the river, and we know it is a FACT that this ride will feature different elevations

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Modern off-road racing doesn’t tie in with either old west frontier OR 1920’s TBA.

That’s another odd thing - cars COULD have hosted a vintage ride through the American frontier - that would at least put it in the same time as bears and Tiana.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Just another note - I view the parks not only as places to have fun but as vitally important cultural and historical sites and as works of art. This perspective means that ripping out chunks of them IS a big deal and that “people having fun,” while certainly important, in no way compensates for thoughtless, short-sighted changes.

I would argue that Disney parks “matter” as much or more than the most respected museum or revered historic sites.

 

[Chi84]

Oh, come on. You can't be serious. I know you are reading the same threads I am.

In every single thread, and it is almost always prefaced by the word "negativity".

So you can’t give a specific example of a “rah rah Disney is great” chorus?