MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[lazyboy97o]

Magic Kingdom meanwhile has never had an identity that wasn't "Florida Disneyland", and it's been very held back by that for it's entire existence.

That’s just not true. It is a more recent development and one pushed far more by fans to justify questionable decisions.

 

[HMF]

I think @Jedi14 Magic Kingdom meanwhile has never had an identity that wasn't "Florida Disneyland", and it's been very held back by that for it's entire existence.

Actually, over the years WDI has gone out of their way to remove unique things about the MK attractions to make them more similar to their DL versions. Here are a few examples just from the Haunted Mansion.

The Unnecessary Changes To Walt Disney World's Haunted Mansion.

How Imagineers destroyed the unique charm of Walt Disney World's Haunted Mansion.

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[flynnibus]

How so? They are tearing out ROA and TSI after paving over Epcot with mediocrity and gutting Splash Mountain.

It’s extreme to wonder about them taking out other things?

Because you frame the question that it's some insanely high threshold.. or if it's near impossible for them to be against something.. that it must cross this high bar and untouchable.. "What would be beyond the pale for you"

As if.. there must be some things that absolutely should be treated differently.. instead of just accepting that maybe, eventually, anything or everything may have it's time. I mean, the castle wasn't always pink you know.. eventually at some point, even the most iconic things are interrogated and assessed. That's far more natural and healthy than trying define sacred cows.

 

[flynnibus]

In the end, the topic may be left out of the series because it is deemed “problematic.” It’s neither appropriate nor inappropriate but may not be worth the hassle to the producers.

The only relevance to the actual conversation was... the other poster suggesting you can't trust Disney to not remove high demand attractions.. to which I challenged where that has actually happened, except for the specific exception where it's been removed for another obvious reason (the company treating the subject as problematic). If we agree with their conclusion is irrelevant.. the point is Disney didn't remove it because of demand or not... it had an overriding conflict they felt should be addressed. Outside of those circumstances, when has Disney removed high demand attractions? This is not the norm.. so to say we can't trust them on that metric.. that's what I challenged.

 

[flynnibus]

Total replacements or does that include today's ever popular "re-theming" ?

I'm open to hearing either way... misguided overlays or plussing (like IASW) I don't think fall into the examples being asked for here.

 

[flynnibus]

Only Fantasyland had IP and even then, The lead characters did not appear in their own rides because the Imagineers figured that people could figure out that the guest acted as the main character in the story.

Snow white obviously is the lead example of where they tried to make the guests be in her role.. but that wasn't any broad design for all of FL. Peter Pan, Alice, Pinnochico, Mr Toad, all have the leads. The premise used in Snow White was more the exception, not the norm.

And the rest of the park was not devoid of IP. Main Street was full of sponsor products selling their own stuff. Main Street Cinema was showing Disney cartoons
The riverboat was named Mark Twain to link to his era and tales.. not an imaginary person.
We all know the focus on the westerns, frontier, and jungle was not independent of the popularity of the entertainment of the period.. including from Disney. Disney just created new unique experiences from pop culture topics and stories of the time.

The biggest difference is WDP of 1955 had a much narrower scope than TWDC of the 21st century. Yes, Walt at times created stuff completely out of his own interests.. but he also did it predicting the guests would also like it. He bucked trends, to pushed what he thought would be successful entertainment.. not just building his own playground.

 

[Brer Panther]

The respective themes you juxtaposed HM vs Inside Out IPs possible retheme.

Isn't there a reference to the Haunted Mansion in the first Inside Out? Maybe that'll be their justification.

Tropical Americas has Encanto, which has a character tied to animals

A minor character who's important for about two scenes and is not the main character of the movie. If the Encanto ride is actually about animals outside of the one scene in Antonio's room, I'd be surprised.

EPCOT is still about science, the world, innovation, and connectivity.

Nothing says "science", "innovation", and "connectivity" like Frozen and Guardians of the Galaxy!

Peter Pan, Alice, Pinnochico, Mr Toad, all have the leads.

Wasn't Peter Pan originally absent from the Disneyland version of Peter Pan's Flight until the 1980s refurbishment? The pre-1984 Alice in Wonderland did have Alice narrating at least... does Mr. Toad appear in person (as in, outside of a statue or a portrait in Toad Hall) at any point during Mr. Toad's Wild Ride?

 

[The Mom]

Only Fantasyland had IP and even then, The lead characters did not appear in their own rides because the Imagineers figured that people could figure out that the guest acted as the main character in the story.

I can think of a couple. Swiss Family Robinson tree house, Tom Sawyer Island, Mike Fink keel boats. Disney made non-animated versions of these stories - sometimes for movies, sometimes for Wonderful World of Disney.

 

[Dreamer19]

Taking a second look at Tokyo, it seems as though they’ve done it right. They’ve managed to greatly expand their parks while destroying very little and preserving all of the classic attractions. Also, they didn’t cave on Splash.

Kudos to OLC for being more Disney than Disney.

 

[Raineman]

Taken from the Haunted Mansion queue on a rainy evening last month. What a view. What a vibe.
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Disney exec: "That is nice, but wouldn't it be nicer with a bit of "kachow" and "git 'er done"?"

I’m of the mind that there is very little at Magic Kingdom that should be considered untouchable. Disneyland is the park where I think there’s numerous things that are untouchable and it would be beyond the pale for them to do so.

In Magic Kingdom to me, the only things that I view as untouchable would be the railroad, Haunted Mansion, Jungke Cruise, and Cinderella Castle. Those things represent either the best iteration of a certain attraction (at least in this country) or something that I think is integral to the parks identity.

I don’t think that the Rivets of America or Tom Sawyer Island is integral Magic Kingdom’s identity. I think it is to Disneyland’s and I would be very against them removing it there.

there are attractions at other parks at Walt Disney World that I consider to be untouchable because I consider them critical to that parks identity. But the other three parks don’t struggle with their identity as much as Magic Kingdom does. Magic Kingdom was built with an identity crisis.

Can I ask why you think TSI/ROA is integral to DL's identity, other than it being the location of Fantasmic?

 

[Jedi14]

Taking a second look at Tokyo, it seems as though they’ve done it right. They’ve managed to greatly expand their parks while destroying very little and preserving all of the classic attractions. Also, they didn’t cave on Splash.

Kudos to OLC for being more Disney than Disney.

Isn’t Tokyo considering to get rid of their Jungle Cruse, Treehouse, Tiki Room, and Railroad?

 

[Dreamer19]

Isn’t Tokyo considering to get rid of their Jungle Cruse, Treehouse, Tiki Room, and Railroad?

Not a clue, but that would suck if so. Their railroad is unique there, but also doesn’t encircle the park if I remember correctly.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Isn’t Tokyo considering to get rid of their Jungle Cruse, Treehouse, Tiki Room, and Railroad?

Correct - though not sure how committed to it or just a first cut/bluesky but was presented as part of their 2035 strategy and would include Up, Incredibles and other elements

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Disney exec: "That is nice, but wouldn't it be nicer with a bit of "kachow" and "git 'er done"?"

Thinking a Disney exec knows what "kachow" refers to? I don't care who you are that's funny right there.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I can think of a couple. Swiss Family Robinson tree house, Tom Sawyer Island, Mike Fink keel boats. Disney made non-animated versions of these stories - sometimes for movies, sometimes for Wonderful World of Disney.

As much as Walt wanted to, he did not produce any adaptation of Tom Sawyer in his lifetime

Disney's versions of those stories wouldn't be made until after the Islands opened in the parks.

 

[HMF]

I can think of a couple. Swiss Family Robinson tree house, Tom Sawyer Island, Mike Fink keel boats. Disney made non-animated versions of these stories - sometimes for movies, sometimes for Wonderful World of Disney.

First one, I will grant you. second one was based on a novel, not a film

 

[HMF]

Can I ask why you think TSI/ROA is integral to DL's identity, other than it being the location of Fantasmic?

You know who designed it, right?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Isn’t Tokyo considering to get rid of their Jungle Cruse, Treehouse, Tiki Room, and Railroad?

Tokyo has MUCH less space then WDW and is still far more thoughtful and careful about replacing attractions.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The definitions offered of EPCOT are so broad as to be essentially meaningless. Which is the fault of the park, not the posters.

 

[Agent H]

Tokyo has MUCH less space then WDW and is still far more thoughtful and careful about replacing attractions.

And it’s still a bad idea.