DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[The Leader of the Club]

I wouldn’t count on it. They take at least 5 years to build anything new from announcement to groundbreaking to grand opening.

From the ground up maybe. But a simple retheme? Tiana took 17 months. Frozen Ever After took 20. RNRC is supposedly getting done in under a year. They could knock a Star Tours retheme out in under 2 years

 

[JohnD]

From the ground up maybe. But a simple retheme? Tiana took 17 months. Frozen Ever After took 20. RNRC is supposedly getting done in under a year. They could knock a Star Tours retheme out in under 2 years

You would think they would open up the area with a re-themed show, gift shop, counter service, restaurant, and even restrooms before the coaster is completed. At that point, it would be no different than taking down a ride to retheme it (e.g. Splash).

 

[Brer Panther]

And the parks blog article said they know they need to preserve the experience. They did an archive session and had a cast member goodbye event. We'll see a Disney produced version of MV3D again, although it likely won't be at a theme park.

They did commit to preserving it in some way - obviously still need to see the details but I don't recall them doing that for any other attraction so the care at least a little.

Filming a video of it and then putting it on YouTube or something isn't preservation. Hundreds of people have done that before. Putting it on Disney Plus isn't quite the same thing as seeing it in the parks either, you'd lack the in-theater effects, the animatronics, Sweetums, etc.

So, if they build a great ride, it'll be great. If they build a crappy ride, it'll be crap. I love Stitch but hated his show. I hate Song of the South but loved its ride.

Much in the same way, I love Ratatouille but hate the ride we got. I really don't care about Avatar but I think the Animal Kingdom land is cool.

It inspires the audience to empathize with insects, who are often the subject of disgust and a desire to eliminate them from humans.

I doubt anyone walking out of the theater was empathizing with insects. They were probably too busy either freaking out over how horrifying the show was, giggling over the stinkbug farting, or curious as to what the wait time for Kilimanjaro Safaris was.

If it was up to me I wouldn’t have left that cliffhanger at all but it does line up with them turning tv shows from Disney+ into movies.

Oh, jeez, considering how much money Moana 2 made, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney does that...

Muppets struggled to fill the theater but people are going to flock to this new land.

The question is, WHY wasn't MuppetVision more popular? Somehow, I doubt people were avoiding it just because it was the Muppets. Was it the location?

 

[lazyboy97o]

How quick construction happens largely depends on when you start the clock, if you start the clock when a project is announced it’s generally going to be at least 5+ years, if you start the clock when shovels hit the dirt it could be as short as a year.

Personally I count all the time from the announcement to opening, in that situation next to nothing happens at Disney in a couple years, it takes most projects a couple years just to get started, then a couple years of construction after groundbreaking.

Some of that delay Is Disneys fault, some is due to bureaucracy, some is issues out of their control but the end result is 90% of what Disney announces either doesn’t happen or takes a half decade or more to actually reach completion.

The gap between announcement and construction is because they announce projects early in the design process. They also overlap construction with design, which will vary between projects as to how much that occurs.

 

[Professortango1]

They are not just talking away a 30 year old movie. They are talking away the last work of Jim Henson. I fall into the group of people who are excited for monsters inc. and I would be even more excited if this was replacing literally anything else.

I understand the historical significance of it, but a theme park attraction should justify its own existence beyond historical value. I don't ride the Matterhorn because it's the first tubular steel coaster, I ride it because it is fun and well executed. I don't think Snow White's Enchanted Dream should be preserved as-is for all time since it was one of Kim Irvine's final projects before retiring. I loved TTBAB, but I wouldn't say it deserved to stay because it's the last project Kevin Spacey did with Disney parks.

Apples and oranges, I know. But Muppet Vision was dated. It was no longer pulling crowds nor drawing the same appreciation the attraction deserves. As people have shared here, many modern folks would see the show and shrug it off as a one and done.

If Disney is going to replace it with a show that draws better and garners more appreciation from guests, then I'm for that. It stinks that it will vanish from the earth, but that's a world I'm used to with live theatre. These magnificent pieces of art exist until they aren't pulling in the audiences required to offset the work/cost, then they vanish into the ether. 30+ years is a great run for a 3D film.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The question is, WHY wasn't MuppetVision more popular? Somehow, I doubt people were avoiding it just because it was the Muppets. Was it the location?

I’d argue it just wasn’t a very good show, I found the Muppets show in Liberty Square 1000x more enjoyable, I’d happily have sacrificed MV3D to keep Great Moments in History. I love the Muppets but they deserved better than MV3D, honestly I don’t think RnRC is going to do them justice either, GMiH was a perfect fit for the Muppets, I’d rather see that brought back than see RnRC rethemed.

 

[Figments Friend]

View attachment 863885View attachment 863886MEET MONSTROPOLIS

Please don’t tell me they are turning the fine former MuppetVision theatre into a freakin’ meet n’ greet.

Cuz’ with a name like that, it is the first thing I thought of.



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[Professortango1]

Please don’t tell me they are turning the fine former MuppetVision theatre into a freakin’ meet n’ greet.

Cuz’ with a name like that, it is the first thing I thought of.



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I think of it as a musical review where the citizens of Monstropolis put on a play to introduce themselves and their city to us visitors. A one-eyed version of Red, White, and Blaine.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I understand the historical significance of it, but a theme park attraction should justify its own existence beyond historical value. I don't ride the Matterhorn because it's the first tubular steel coaster, I ride it because it is fun and well executed. I don't think Snow White's Enchanted Dream should be preserved as-is for all time since it was one of Kim Irvine's final projects before retiring. I loved TTBAB, but I wouldn't say it deserved to stay because it's the last project Kevin Spacey did with Disney parks.

Apples and oranges, I know. But Muppet Vision was dated. It was no longer pulling crowds nor drawing the same appreciation the attraction deserves. As people have shared here, many modern folks would see the show and shrug it off as a one and done.

If Disney is going to replace it with a show that draws better and garners more appreciation from guests, then I'm for that. It stinks that it will vanish from the earth, but that's a world I'm used to with live theatre. These magnificent pieces of art exist until they aren't pulling in the audiences required to offset the work/cost, then they vanish into the ether. 30+ years is a great run for a 3D film.

MV3D probably should have been updated 15 years ago but I think everyone was afraid to touch it because they wanted to preserve Jim Hensens “last work”, which I understand, but I think that desire to preserve it ultimately doomed it, it felt more and more dated every year.

 

[Haymarket2008]

Seriously? I’m so confused by this. It was one good movie from 25 years ago.

And? Does that mean the one good movies that make up the vast majority of the Disney Animation division’s last 85+ years don’t deserve attention?

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

I think that desire to preserve it ultimately doomed it, it felt more and more dated every year.

Never understood this mindset, MV3D is the only 3D show I think Disney has ever produced that wouldn't feel dated if you watched it today. Certainly part of why it had such a long life, you don't see any other show lasting as long as it did (We'll check back in on Philharmagic in another 13 years)

 

[phillip9698]

MV3D probably should have been updated 15 years ago but I think everyone was afraid to touch it because they wanted to preserve Jim Hensens “last work”, which I understand, but I think that desire to preserve it ultimately doomed it, it felt more and more dated every year.

That attraction would have been impossible to update outside of increasing the fidelity of the video. Any actual changes to the show or a single gag would have been panned mercilessly by the loudest die hards.

The new people doing the voices are off, so that’s another issue.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Never understood this mindset, MV3D is the only 3D show I think Disney has ever produced that wouldn't feel dated if you watched it today. Certainly part of why it had such a long life, you don't see any other show lasting as long as it did (We'll check back in on Philharmagic in another 13 years)

I really don’t get the argument - what felt dated?

 

[BrianLo]

Re: Monsters in Animation Courtyard. There are a few downsides, namely it would further the urban design sprawl of DHS. The coaster show building would be much less in the periphery than what is currently planned. I think the assumption that it might be a semi ugly show building is true.

I’m against the avoidance of Animation courtyard if they still have nothing cooking for it in a decade.

 

[LittleBuford]

I really don’t get the argument - what felt dated?

I'm surprised you would deny it felt dated. (That's not a bad thing, I hasten to add. It's true of many of the best attractions at Disney.)

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'm surprised you would deny it felt dated. (That's not a bad thing, I hasten to add. It's true of many of the best attractions at Disney.)

I genuinely don’t understand what felt dated. Both the writing and presentation were miles ahead of most Disney shows. Is it simply that puppets feel “dated,” the same way hand-drawn animation supposedly does? Is it the Vaudeville conceit? The CG on Waldo is admittedly dated, but the character design means it still looks less obsolete then Figment at Imagination or the effects on the JUST reopened Mermaid show.

 

[JackCH]

Re: Monsters in Animation Courtyard. There are a few downsides, namely it would further the urban design sprawl of DHS. The coaster show building would be much less in the periphery than what is currently planned. I think the assumption that it might be a semi ugly show building is true.

I’m against the avoidance of Animation courtyard if they still have nothing cooking for it in a decade.

I've said from the beginning, my final judgment of Monster's will depend on what happens next at AC, and when.

If they can do Monsters cheaper and more efficiently at Grand Avenue, and leave AC for something larger and better and it truly happens next, then I think it is a good move.

 

[Jedi14]

I’d argue it just wasn’t a very good show, I found the Muppets show in Liberty Square 1000x more enjoyable, I’d happily have sacrificed MV3D to keep Great Moments in History. I love the Muppets but they deserved better than MV3D, honestly I don’t think RnRC is going to do them justice either, GMiH was a perfect fit for the Muppets, I’d rather see that brought back than see RnRC rethemed.

I half agree with what you’re saying, Great Moments felt like a better representation of the Muppets, but RnRC could work for them.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That attraction would have been impossible to update outside of increasing the fidelity of the video. Any actual changes to the show or a single gag would have been panned mercilessly by the loudest die hards.

The new people doing the voices are off, so that’s another issue.

I think all they had to do was change Waldo, the first half of the show (which was Muppets heavy) was great, as was the ending, the middle portion that focused on the 3D computer generated Waldo is always where it lost me.

I wouldn’t have changed any of the Muppets parts, just the horrible computer generated (by today’s standards) Waldo.

 

[Jedi14]

I genuinely don’t understand what felt dated. Both the writing and presentation were miles ahead of most Disney shows. Is it simply that puppets feel “dated,” the same way hand-drawn animation supposedly does? Is it the Vaudeville conceit? The CG on Waldo is admittedly dated, but the character design means it still looks less obsolete then Figment at Imagination or the effects on the JUST reopened Mermaid show.

It looked old.