MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Mr. Sullivan]

Would any of the parks exist if Walt did not take a risk?

I would say yea considering that Disneyland on opening day was chock full of IP. Disneyland was a huge risk any way you slice it, but him leveraging his films and shorts was a big strategy in managing the risk.

 

[lentesta]

Would any of the parks exist if Walt did not take a risk?

None of the current leadership are Walt.

 

[HMF]

I would say yea considering that Disneyland on opening day was chock full of IP. Disneyland was a huge risk any way you slice it, but him leveraging his films and shorts was a big strategy in managing the risk.

Only Fantasyland had IP and even then, The lead characters did not appear in their own rides because the Imagineers figured that people could figure out that the guest acted as the main character in the story.

 

[HMF]

None of the current leadership are Walt.

Obviously, Walt probably wouldn't even be hired by todays Disney Company.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Only Fantasyland had IP and even then, The lead characters did not appear in their own rides because the Imagineers figured that people could figure out that the guest acted as the main character in the story.

Davy crocket in frontierland and 20k exhibit and tomorrowland too

 

[networkpro]

Sounds interesting although I’m not totally understanding what the dichotomy is as it relates to attractions.

The respective themes you juxtaposed HM vs Inside Out IPs possible retheme.

 

[HMF]

Davy crocket in frontierland and 20k exhibit and tomorrowland too

Maybe, but Frontierland was actually based on the actual American West and would probably be called Davy Crockett Land if todays Disney were in charge. The 20k exhibit was literally thrown together at the last minute to fill space in the very poorly themed Tomorrowland that opened with the park in 1955.

 

[FettFan]

That’s not factually true. The last DVC that didn’t tear something out was Aulani. For some reason this philosophy dominates everything they do at WDW.

Aye. I'm sad that I never got to do Spirit of Aloha before it got 'dozed for the Polyday Inn Express.

As far as attractions, nope. Eventually they should all be replaced or significantly upgraded.

I’m just waiting for the announcement that WDW’s PotC is going to get yanked for a Moana boat ride.

It won’t happen in the next decade thanks to the new pirate QS lounge, but I could easily imagine it being gone by 2040.


Strangely, I find a possible PotC removal far less upsetting than the Liberty Belle.
Or maybe Bob Iger and Co have cut out so many of my personal favorites that I’m just not caring anymore.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I’m just waiting for the announcement that WDW’s PotC is going to get yanked for a Moana boat ride.

Ooh yikes, I don't want that. I've never really understood the hate for WDW Pirates. When I was little I liked it better because it cut the boring part, haha. But once I got older and appreciated the longer Disneyland version, I didn't start hating the WDW one. It's fine for what it is.

 

[HMF]

Ooh yikes, I don't want that. I've never really understood the hate for WDW Pirates. When I was little I liked it better because it cut the boring part, haha. But once I got older and appreciated the longer Disneyland version, I didn't start hating the WDW one. It's fine for what it is.

Exactly, While The DL one is obviously superior. The WDW one is fine if you understand the concept that unlike DL, where you travel through time from New Orleans Square to the Caribbean. In the WDW version you are already in the Caribbean and everything happens to you in real time.

 

[HMF]

But the other three parks don’t struggle with their identity as much as Magic Kingdom does. Magic Kingdom was built with an identity crisis.

Really, can you explain to me what the meaning of EPCOT is now? Does Hollywood Studios still have a reason to exist other than to be a dumping ground for ideas that won't fit anywhere else? Even Animal Kingdom which Joe Rohde defended it's theming to the death now will have two lands with no actual animals and a 3D movie about anthropomorphic animals in an obviously fictionalized setting going into the Park icon.

 

[FettFan]

Ooh yikes, I don't want that. I've never really understood the hate for WDW Pirates. When I was little I liked it better because it cut the boring part, haha. But once I got older and appreciated the longer Disneyland version, I didn't start hating the WDW one. It's fine for what it is.

I wouldn’t want it either. But with the current “leadership”, it’s a case of “don’t get too attached”.

 

[DisneyHead123]

The respective themes you juxtaposed HM vs Inside Out IPs possible retheme.

Oh ok, I was thinking Riverboat and Cars so I was confused.

 

[lazyboy97o]

but even with that - and like you said, some of them do get outsized wait times - some things still have no wait/are half empty. Even Muppets, before they announced it was closing, I never saw more that what felt like half full, never heard the CMs say "move all the way down to make room for others" (rather heard them say "just take whatever seat you want) ... but then other things, like SSE, or even LwtL at time did get sizeable waits

You want people to just be able to go in and sit in a continuous theater show. It requires less staffing and helps keep cycle times to a minimum. Easy to experience; easy to operate.

 

[Jedi14]

Really, can you explain to me what the meaning of EPCOT is now? Does Hollywood Studios still have a reason to exist other than to be a dumping ground for ideas that won't fit anywhere else? Even Animal Kingdom which Joe Rohde defended it's theming to the death now will have two lands with no actual animals and a 3D movie about anthropomorphic animals in an obviously fictionalized setting going into the Park icon.

EPCOT is about the world in general, its technology, nature, culture. Hollywood Studios has changed to stepping into the movies.
Animal Kingdom is about conservation, wildlife, and living with nature. Pandora fits this as the story of the land is a conservation group is helping to restore Pandora after the events of the movie. Tropical Americas has Encanto, which has a character tied to animals, and Indy which will have a mythical creature. The Zootopia show would not be my first choice for a new show, but it’s supposed to be about biomes.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Really, can you explain to me what the meaning of EPCOT is now? Does Hollywood Studios still have a reason to exist other than to be a dumping ground for ideas that won't fit anywhere else? Even Animal Kingdom which Joe Rohde defended it's theming to the death now will have two lands with no actual animals and a 3D movie about anthropomorphic animals in an obviously fictionalized setting going into the Park icon.

I think @Jedi14 pretty much covered what I would say.

Of the other three, Hollywood Studios is the one that is most unsure of itself but I think it's mostly out of being in a state of flux and is now just the movie park. EPCOT and AK's core themes and ideas are still very much in place and nothing that they have added has changed that.

EPCOT is still about science, the world, innovation, and connectivity. AK is still about the natural world, human's relationships to it (yes, Pandora furthers this message as that is the core narrative of the films), and conservation.

Magic Kingdom meanwhile has never had an identity that wasn't "Florida Disneyland", and it's been very held back by that for it's entire existence. No other castle park in the world has been forced into that box (not even Tokyo Disneyland which opened as a near Florida clone, but it too has grown to have it's own identity). It's time that Magic Kingdom is let out too.

As I've said many times now, I'm not sold on the idea that Cars is the way to do that, but I do not disagree with the idea to put something in place of the river and reimagine Frontierland in general.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Magic Kingdom meanwhile has never had an identity that wasn't "Florida Disneyland", and it's been very held back by that for it's entire existence.

That’s just not true. It is a more recent development and one pushed far more by fans to justify questionable decisions.

 

[HMF]

I think @Jedi14 Magic Kingdom meanwhile has never had an identity that wasn't "Florida Disneyland", and it's been very held back by that for it's entire existence.

Actually, over the years WDI has gone out of their way to remove unique things about the MK attractions to make them more similar to their DL versions. Here are a few examples just from the Haunted Mansion.

The Unnecessary Changes To Walt Disney World's Haunted Mansion.

How Imagineers destroyed the unique charm of Walt Disney World's Haunted Mansion.

vocal.media

 

[flynnibus]

How so? They are tearing out ROA and TSI after paving over Epcot with mediocrity and gutting Splash Mountain.

It’s extreme to wonder about them taking out other things?

Because you frame the question that it's some insanely high threshold.. or if it's near impossible for them to be against something.. that it must cross this high bar and untouchable.. "What would be beyond the pale for you"

As if.. there must be some things that absolutely should be treated differently.. instead of just accepting that maybe, eventually, anything or everything may have it's time. I mean, the castle wasn't always pink you know.. eventually at some point, even the most iconic things are interrogated and assessed. That's far more natural and healthy than trying define sacred cows.

 

[flynnibus]

In the end, the topic may be left out of the series because it is deemed “problematic.” It’s neither appropriate nor inappropriate but may not be worth the hassle to the producers.

The only relevance to the actual conversation was... the other poster suggesting you can't trust Disney to not remove high demand attractions.. to which I challenged where that has actually happened, except for the specific exception where it's been removed for another obvious reason (the company treating the subject as problematic). If we agree with their conclusion is irrelevant.. the point is Disney didn't remove it because of demand or not... it had an overriding conflict they felt should be addressed. Outside of those circumstances, when has Disney removed high demand attractions? This is not the norm.. so to say we can't trust them on that metric.. that's what I challenged.