MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Raineman]

That’s actually a pretty good mindset to have unless you’re into cultivating disappointment.

Life is all about change; how you deal with it is a choice. “Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond to it.”

I would say that, despite what I might sound like as far as not wanting this change we're discussing, for the majority attractions at WDW, I have this mindset. For example, if they replaced Tomorrowland Speedway, or the Teacups, I would shed absolutely no tears. But if they replaced Haunted Mansion, Disney would never get another cent from me. IMO, there is no situation possible where I would advocate Disney replacing the Mansion with something else, even if the replacement is amazing-because an attraction that has emotional value to me had to be sacrificed to do it.

 

[Dreamer19]

I would say that, despite what I might sound like as far as not wanting this change we're discussing, for the majority attractions at WDW, I have this mindset. For example, if they replaced Tomorrowland Speedway, or the Teacups, I would shed absolutely no tears. But if they replaced Haunted Mansion, Disney would never get another cent from me. IMO, there is no situation possible where I would advocate Disney replacing the Mansion with something else, even if the replacement is amazing-because an attraction that has emotional value to me had to be sacrificed to do it.

That’s how I felt about Splash. I have not given another cent since.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Any classic attraction that still draws alot of people should always have a bar that never will be cleared. One of the metrics that some people have repeated during the course of this discussion is the perceived low ridership of ROA/TSI, which should immediately disqualify attractions like HM, Peter Pan, Space Mountain, Pirates, etc., from being replaced. But I don't think anyone should trust Disney to look at it that way.

Always will look at what is drawing people - but also what is the cost of operation/upkeep, what is the opportunity cost vs whatelse could be there, etc

So Peter Pan is probably safe for a very long time as small footprint, not a ton of upkeep, motivates people to buy LLMP, etc.

Of the classic attractions the one most at risk would probably be Jungle Cruise due to size it takes up and the capacity it has, upkeep needed, etc. ... which if that went away would hurt me as it is my favorite of the classic rides, but if they replaced it with something amazing I would welcome it (just would be a very high bar, personally, to clear)

 

[DisneyHead123]

There certainly is a need for things 'not E tickets' - but I think it's mention in this conversation kind of muddies things up. Yes people want the various 'scale' attractions.. and the park NEEDS them.. the problem more central to this conversation is.. doesn't matter what Scale the thing is, if it's not attractive to or able to lure the customer in, they are going to pass it by more often than not.

Customer interests have shifted like you mention... My earlier comment is Disney is a big influencer in how customers have evolved in how they consume theme parks because Disney is the biggest and loudest coach in the room.

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying for now, although if I could make a pitch / plea to Disney on the topic it would be this - the pendulum is starting to shift a bit on “competition culture”, and “experience culture” seems like the natural predecessor. They must know this to an extent, based on their investment in the cruise lines, which are a slower paced vacation. I’ve accepted that given the pros and cons for Disney, there’s no way TSI is staying, but I wish they would go with a walkable, experiential area over an E-ticket that means walling off a huge section of the park.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I think there is still a demand for smaller or "filler" attractions but many guests operate those - which they still have some draw to and would view it as something they want to accomplish/add it to the list of things they did - vs "skippable" attractions - ones that even if no line they still don't want to allocate time of their vacation to

So it honk things like People Mover, Living with the Land, Journey of Water, etc qualify for the first, but things like TSI, Circle of Life, etc are more the later

Yeah, I’m resigned to the fact that Swiss Family Treehouse and Planet Watch are most surely on the chopping block, but I’m hoping that’s the extent of cuts to less visited attractions.

 

[LSLS]

Yeah, I’m resigned to the fact that Swiss Family Treehouse and Planet Watch are most surely on the chopping block, but I’m hoping that’s the extent of cuts to less visited attractions.

I'm not sure with Swiss Tree. A lot of this discussion has been about how they want to replace attractions with no waits with big E tickets that they can sell lightning lanes to. That is a pretty small area for them to create such a thing unless they take out Jungle Cruise too.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I'm not sure with Swiss Tree. A lot of this discussion has been about how they want to replace attractions with no waits with big E tickets that they can sell lightning lanes to. That is a pretty small area for them to create such a thing unless they take out Jungle Cruise too.

Good point, it has a tiny footprint.

 

[flynnibus]

And the fact that a core element of Disney parks for decades is disappearing, never to return, is a big reason why some people are opposed to this kind of change

Unfortunately at this point its more like yelling at clouds IMO. It’s fighting the symptoms rather than going after the core issues. And now you have entire generations that have been raised in this model… you will never convince them simply the past was better. They have to be chose the red pill… and something has to change at the biggest influencer.

 

[flynnibus]

Genuinely curious, are there any changes that Disney could make that would illicit a negative response from those who staunchly defend the removal of something like ROA?

What would be beyond the pale for you? Why?

Why do you assume it must be extremes? You’re entire premise is suggesting hyperbolic and extremes

 

[flynnibus]

But I don't think anyone should trust Disney to look at it that way.

Outside of subjects deemed problematic’ - What history is there of disney replacing higher popular and busy attractions?

 

[Dreamer19]

Outside of subjects deemed problematic’ - What history is there of disney replacing higher popular and busy attractions?

There’s that word again, “problematic”

 

[Chi84]

There’s that word again, “problematic”

The word will exist as long as people disagree on whether or not a particular thing is appropriate.

 

[Dreamer19]

Why do you assume it must be extremes? You’re entire premise is suggesting hyperbolic and extremes.

How so? They are tearing out ROA and TSI after paving over Epcot with mediocrity and gutting Splash Mountain.

It’s extreme to wonder about them taking out other things?

 

[Dreamer19]

The word will exist as long as people disagree on whether or not a particular thing is appropriate.

Not go drag this off topic, but who agrees? Polls? What one deems “problematic” another may not. It’s strange newspeak. (yes, I know it’s not that new)

 

[Chi84]

Not go drag this off topic, but who agrees? Polls? What one deems “problematic” another may not. It’s strange newspeak. (yes, I know it’s not that new)

Of course I’m not talking about polls.

There can be a subject such as whether a topic in an episode of a TV series is age appropriate for children under, say 13. Given the differences in families and children, it can be appropriate for some but not others.

In the end, the topic may be left out of the series because it is deemed “problematic.” It’s neither appropriate nor inappropriate but may not be worth the hassle to the producers.

 

[Incomudro]

Not a great comparison. "Greensward" was aimed to create a contrast between a crowded and monotonous street life and the park. I don't see any 'democratized civilizing influence ' or 'urban cleansing' provided by RoA.

I do.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I would say that, despite what I might sound like as far as not wanting this change we're discussing, for the majority attractions at WDW, I have this mindset. For example, if they replaced Tomorrowland Speedway, or the Teacups, I would shed absolutely no tears. But if they replaced Haunted Mansion, Disney would never get another cent from me. IMO, there is no situation possible where I would advocate Disney replacing the Mansion with something else, even if the replacement is amazing-because an attraction that has emotional value to me had to be sacrificed to do it.

To my mind the difficulty is when things get replaced with unlike things. So you can’t really talk about them being “better” or “worse”, because they’re not being rated on the same scale. Riverboat is classic, iconic, quaint, aesthetically enriching, etc. Cars are flashy, fun, appealing to small children - they’re not really comparable.

I would actually be ok if they replaced Haunted Mansion with a better Haunted Mansion or similar haunted experience. If they replaced it with Inside Out 2 for the sake of IP - totally different story.

 

[networkpro]

Outside of subjects deemed problematic’ - What history is there of disney replacing higher popular and busy attractions?

Total replacements or does that include today's ever popular "re-theming" ?

 

[networkpro]

To my mind the difficulty is when things get replaced with unlike things. So you can’t really talk about them being “better” or “worse”, because they’re not being rated on the same scale. Riverboat is classic, iconic, quaint, aesthetically enriching, etc. Cars are flashy, fun, appealing to small children - they’re not really comparable.

I would actually be ok if they replaced Haunted Mansion with a better Haunted Mansion or similar haunted experience. If they replaced it with Inside Out 2 for the sake of IP - totally different story.

Interesting dichotomy: Fragile identity vs cognitive styles and biases

 

[Dreamer19]

Taken from the Haunted Mansion queue on a rainy evening last month. What a view. What a vibe.